tell us here.

You are my favourite drug Auzgurl  :)

lol, auzgurl, that is easy, and Bryan Ferry said it so well with Roxy Music
"Love is the drug, and I need to score"

Legalise them all.

I don't know what the best drug is, but I do know the worst is alcohol, probably closely followed by tobacco, then we would see the amphetamine type drugs after that.

All the others have pretty mild physical negatives compared to that lot.

alcohol causes the most damage to our society. It is also the most used.

Reduce the damage, legalise them all.

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alcohol causes the most damage to our society. It is also the most used.

Alcohol can also lead to the use of other drugs. I always find that after consuming too much alcohol,  the next day I get a craving for paracetamol  :P

Unfortunately, I don't think that legalising all drugs is a good idea. There are some (most especially those that a lot of young people use taday) which could cause big problems in later life.
I agree that alcohol does the most damage to society, largely because it's the most widely used and abused.
Abuse of anything will cause problems, but a couple of glasses of red a few times a week won't do most people any harm, and may even be beneficial.


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No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the sources of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed, and love of power. - P. J. O'Rourke

mozzoak, I think love is the most powerful drug there is, you are defintely onto something there.Love has made sane pple do crazy things


Sprint alcohol is the biggest problem out there ..but as to the damage it has the potential to cause, I think this comes down to education of teens as our next generation of drinkers.

A glass of red is very good for you but 4 bottles of red is overstating that a bit so, it really comes down to knowing what is healthy and whats not.

I intend to teach mine to drink responsibly so they know theyre limits and hopefully they can apply that as they grow into adults.

Its the alcohol/car/ramped up drunks scenario that most scares me.

Amadd wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 4:46pm:

Quote: alcohol causes the most damage to our society. It is also the most used. If we're looking for the sources of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed, and love of power. - P. J. O'Rourke

I agree with this  amadd .

So that relates to education as well

and btw Maddy?... your my favourite trogoldyte

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mozzoak, I think love is the most powerful drug there is, you are defintely onto something there.Love has made sane pple do crazy things

Yes and there are drugs out there which can superficially mimic that feeling.
There's so many drugs out there nowadays that it must be an absolute nightmare for parents of kids coming into that experimentation stage.

When I was a kid, a group of us somehow got the idea that the inside strips of banana skins could be dried out and smoked to give a buzz. That was an hilarious situation when we all suddenly started eating lots of bananas. The parents were happy that we were at last eating some fruit, but also quite suspicious.
I thought it was a bit of bs, but I still waited to see what it did to my friends before trying it myself. I didn't see any effects, or feel any when I tried it. As it turns out, there might've been quite a bit of truth in that rumour.

Kids these days have a lot more information on hand to get an idea of what works, what doesn't, the dosage required..etc.
What they need to be mindful of is the adverse effects that may be caused by a simple experiment, even though their motives may be true.
But there won't be any stoppage of risk taking. They'll do it regardless....hopefully.i

Amadd wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2009 at 1:20am:

Quote: mozzoak, I think love is the most powerful drug there is, you are defintely onto something there.Love has made sane pple do crazy things Yes and there are drugs out there which can superficially mimic that feeling. There's so many drugs out there nowadays that it must be an absolute nightmare for parents of kids coming into that experimentation stage. When I was a kid, a group of us somehow got the idea that the inside strips of banana skins could be dried out and smoked to give a buzz. That was an hilarious situation when we all suddenly started eating lots of bananas. The parents were happy that we were at last eating some fruit, but also quite suspicious. I thought it was a bit of bs, but I still waited to see what it did to my friends before trying it myself. I didn't see any effects, or feel any when I tried it. As it turns out, there might've been quite a bit of truth in that rumour. Kids these days have a lot more information on hand to get an idea of what works, what doesn't, the dosage required..etc. What they need to be mindful of is the adverse effects that may be caused by a simple experiment, even though their motives may be true. But there won't be any stoppage of risk taking. They'll do it regardless....hopefully.

Theres a drug that can mimic being in love..?   :o  hey I missed out on that one and yet I am a relative novice in these things you understand.

Its mostly pot luck I think, its not possible to monitor and safeguard kids from every bad thing out there, and to an extent its just a matter of keeping your fingers crossed and hope for the best.

No matter how much well meaning parental advice we give, if kids use reckless abandon in risky situations (as they often do) keeping fingers crossed is all we have.

Never heard of the banana skin thing..its sounds quirky. 8-)

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Never heard of the banana skin thing..its sounds quirky.

A couple of other weird ones that I've heard of are:

Nutmeg - take a couple of spoonfuls and about 6 hours later, you'll be off your nut Meg.

Wasps and hornets - I think they dry and crush them, then eat them.
May cause bad internal swelling though  ;D

I doubt if you're going to stop kids from experimenting in anything if they are that way inclined, but if they really have to, they should be encouraged to do their own research before trying it out.

And I think that parents should do some research on what their kids may be up to now, and not just think back to what they did at that age.

Ive heard of shooting up Vegemite but I think thats taking the whole transcendental experience a bit too seriously. Rehab for vegemite addicts? Pure hell.


I tried a little experiment of my own once..I was drinking chamomile tea and I felt a bit lightheaded I thought I was onto something for sure..
My friend thought I was a bit sunstroke when I recommneded it to her and nothing happened.  derr

After dropping acid, shooting up speed and ectasy eating magic mushies and smoking pot for 2 years, then being hopelessly addicted to heroin for 3 years while indulging in cocaine, ice, pot, prescription pills and more ecstacy,
I have to say being totaly drug free (6 years) walking into my own house and being a father and a husband is the best drug I have ever known.
So yes "love is the drug for me"!

Vegemite???? WTF

merou - drat - you've tried more drugs than I have !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cactus juice was a very good trip

yes, coming home to a loving wife is very good.
Cuddling my kids is also a winner.
talking to my weird family is always interesting.
cycling, reading and being in a permaculture garden

And blogging here

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I was drinking chamomile tea and I felt a bit lightheaded I thought I was onto something for sure..

I don't think you needed the chamomile tea to feel lightheaded  ;)

yes, just sit down very still, then stand up quickly !!!!!!!!!!

Amadd wrote on Aug 27^th, 2009 at 10:40am:

Quote: I was drinking chamomile tea and I felt a bit lightheaded I thought I was onto something for sure.. I don't think you needed the chamomile tea to feel lightheaded  ;)

What are you trying to say Flap?   mmm

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What are you trying to say Flap?   mmm

Ohhh nothing...I was just wondering if you have really strong neck muscles to stop your head floating off into the stratosphere. :)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 27^th, 2009 at 9:07am:

merou - drat - you've tried more drugs than I have !!!!!!!!!!!!!! cactus juice was a very good trip yes, coming home to a loving wife is very good. Cuddling my kids is also a winner. talking to my weird family is always interesting. cycling, reading and being in a permaculture garden And blogging here

I haven't tryed the Peyote juice, but the rest of them got me nowhere very fast, but I reckon I was hovering just above my grave a few times.

ys, by the sound of it, you must have been very close to stepping out a few times.
i'm glad you are here.

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I haven't tryed the Peyote juice, but the rest of them got me nowhere very fast, but I reckon I was hovering just above my grave a few times.

I always wondered about peyote ever since watching "Young Guns".
I imagine it to be similar to mushies, which I never had any inkling to try from the reports I've heard about them.
The one person I've spoken to about heroin use said that he tried it once, but never again, because it was too damned good.

It's always dangerous to try the different aspects of being human, and probably just as dangerous to not.

amadd

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I always wondered about peyote ever since watching "Young Guns".

Peyote is Coyote piss  -  ::)

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Peyote is Coyote piss

And it's an ingredient in "Quesadilla" isn't it?

Amadd wrote on Aug 28^th, 2009 at 12:28am:

Quote: Peyote is Coyote piss   And it's an ingredient in "Quesadilla" isn't it?

A what? Oh a casadilla..?

Well if Casadilla is a mexican fish as you so erroneously assert, then thats highly unlikely unless you change the meaning of casadilla again to mean something rather more organic..and add a couple of verbs to that.[ err the working definition of fish lover get it  ?]

But if you take a casadilla to mean that its something you actually ingest, then yes amadd I can add "peyote" to your "quesadilla" if you want..? :P

Amadd wrote on Aug 27^th, 2009 at 8:50pm:

Quote: What are you trying to say Flap?   mmm Ohhh nothing...I was just wondering if you have really strong neck muscles to stop your head floating off into the stratosphere. :)

I do.

The Mole wrote on Aug 28^th, 2009 at 12:12am:

amadd Quote: I always wondered about peyote ever since watching "Young Guns". Peyote is Coyote piss  -  ::)

Peyote is a cactus, Native American Indians used it to invoke spiritual journeys.

merou wrote on Aug 28^th, 2009 at 8:27pm:

The Mole wrote on Aug 28th, 2009 at 12:12am: amadd Quote: I always wondered about peyote ever since watching "Young Guns". Peyote is Coyote piss  -  ::) Peyote is a cactus, Native American Indians used it to invoke spiritual journeys.

are you sure merou?   :-?

yes, merous correct.

Coyote piss - good one  ;D

I know the Indians used peyote for spiritual journeys, but I'm wondering what the effect was like for non-Indian spiritual journeys.
I haven't looked it up, but I think the active ingredients might be similar to mushies.
From what I've heard about mushies, they sound terrifying.

Oh, its very visual, great colours.
its a very outdoors one, spatial

That sounds OK.
We have a sort of a tradition where we go up to the bush for a week every year.
On one or two of those days, we'll try out a different drug to see what it does. Most times it's pretty mild, like absynth or something.
Nobody ever really wanted to try mushies, but peyote has never been tried either, and it sounds OK for the environment.
We'd never do heroin or anything too hard, but poppy juice was really nice.
Don't know where I could get peyote over here, but I think it'd be fun whilst looking at the open stars.

The Mole wrote on Aug 28^th, 2009 at 8:38pm:

merou wrote on Aug 28th, 2009 at 8:27pm: The Mole wrote on Aug 28th, 2009 at 12:12am: amadd Quote: I always wondered about peyote ever since watching "Young Guns". Peyote is Coyote piss  -  ::) Peyote is a cactus, Native American Indians used it to invoke spiritual journeys. are you sure merou?   :-?

coyote piss LMAO that's classic

sounds like a fun trip you guys have ammad.
DO NOT touch mushies, unless you have someone with you, who KNOWS what they are doing.
As well as there being poisonous ones that look very similiar, the amount you have is critical to the effect you get, too much and you can get some pretty heavy tripping that would freak out the uninitiated.

As far as peyote, mushies, LSD, they are all the same, all halicunogens, and the difference between them is like the difference between being pissed on beer, or pissed on spirits, you are still pissed.

They all invoke a "Trip" if you have enough of them, but a more sociable experience is having a small dose, and laughing with your mates with a few beers and smokes.
You still get mild visual and auditory distortion, but you stay pretty relaxed about it.
I would not recommend more than 2 or 3, any biger than 40mm diameter to try them out if you must.

I have never had peyote buttons, but I have had mescaline, which is the active ingredient they extract from them, and it has a very strong, but pleasant trip, the first time I tried them, just happened to turn out to be the funniest night of my entire life.

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As far as peyote, mushies, LSD, they are all the same, all halicunogens, and the difference between them is like the difference between being pissed on beer, or pissed on spirits, you are still pissed.

Thanks Mozz. I never really intended to try mushies ever since I heard a story of a guy who went to the toilet and he thought his dick dropped off into the bowl  ;D  That doesn't sound like much fun to me.
I know where to get mushies if I want them. A golf course I play at regurlarly has two types of them that grow in abundance at certain times of the year.
But really, we're pretty wussy when it comes to trying different things. Sometimes it's like a game of poker; "I'll see your 1/4 eccy and raise you a quarter".
One time a year when you know that you have friends around if things get too serious isn't too bad.  And I think it's a useful experience for fathers to have some knowledge of what their kids might eventually try.
Oh but we're getting old, and prescription drugs have been coming to the fore lately  ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 9:09pm:

alcohol causes the most damage to our society. It is also the most used. Reduce the damage, legalise them all.

I guess what makes a drug dangerous is if people actually use it as a drug. There are plenty of hazardous substances out there, but most people wouldn't use them as drugs. Of course there are exceptions.  

A case in point is petrol or other solvent sniffing in remote Aboriginal communities. It's a bit difficult to make petrol illegal.

Another example is mace (nutmeg husk) or Myristica fragrans. It's just a question of dose. I think you can still buy mace from the supermarket.

Another practice which has resurfaced is not a drug, but similar in effect. It was popular in the 70's, and judging from you-tube, it's coming back. The narcotic substance in question is oxygen.

Search You-Tube for 'fainting game' and you'll see what I mean.

Yes I know that fainting game Muso. It's a shocker.
Tried it couple of times myself years ago in school because I thought they were faking. Then they thought I was faking, but there was no faking about it.
After seeing a couple of kids have fits, we promptly gave that away as a bad joke.

There are a lot of things out there that will cause a "drug like" reaction and banning them all would be impossible.
I haven't been deep diving for awhile now, but I know of a few that did it purely for the narcotic effect that you get, usually below about 45m.

In the news today, I read about parents giving their kids, as young as six, bongs to keep them quiet and make them sleep. They are probably the same ones that feed their kids crap foods that make them hyper.

Amadd wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 1:31pm:

Yes I know that fainting game Muso. It's a shocker. Tried it couple of times myself years ago in school because I thought they were faking. Then they thought I was faking, but there was no faking about it. After seeing a couple of kids have fits, we promptly gave that away as a bad joke. There are a lot of things out there that will cause a "drug like" reaction and banning them all would be impossible. I haven't been deep diving for awhile now, but I know of a few that did it purely for the narcotic effect that you get, usually below about 45m. In the news today, I read about parents giving their kids, as young as six, bongs to keep them quiet and make them sleep. They are probably the same ones that feed their kids crap foods that make them hyper.

What no more deep diving amadd..?  :P

and yes some so called parents ought to be jailed.

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What no more deep diving amadd..?

No, I put my wetsuit in the washing machine..and, ummm, I think it shrunk  ;)
I only really got into the deep diving because I wanted to dive Truk Lagoon. It's not real pleasurable around Victoria - except for the narcosis of course.

Love the innuendo  ;)

Yeah, quit with the innuendos AG. >:(

Amadd wrote on Sep 10^th, 2009 at 10:57pm:

Yeah, quit with the innuendos AG. >:(

ggrr why should I   8-)

'cause you might get a spanking  ;D

no rocks this time, well I guess your still evolutionising ( word?) and it will be a slow process  .    ::)

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