How does he sleep when his bed is glowing ?


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FEDERAL Environment Minister Peter Garrett has lost his way after the former anti-nuclear campaigner approved the country's fourth uranium mine, Greens leader Bob Brown says. Senator Brown said Mr Garrett's move to give the go-ahead to the Four Mile mine in South Australia was an incredible decision that showed the minister had bowed to the Labor Party machine. Senator Brown said the mine used an acidic process to extract uranium that would not be permitted in the US or Europe. "Peter Garrett has lost his way in ticking off the unnecessary desalination plant in Victoria and ticking off an unnecessary uranium mine," he said. Senator Brown said the ALP was now a party of big business, not the environment. "Peter has sacrificed himself to Labor politics," Senator Brown said. "It is as if the Howard government was not voted out of office - it's just changed its name." Senator Brown was in Melbourne supporting protesters campaigning against the proposed desalination plant at Wonthaggi, 132km southeast of the city.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25785165-12377,00.html

Yes - Garrett is a sell out to those who believed in him. What a wimp.

mantra wrote on Jul 15^th, 2009 at 11:36am:

Yes - Garrett is a sell out to those who believed in him. What a wimp.

He sold out his soul joining party, especially this party, where DISCIPLINE and TOWING THE PARTY LINE is their first commandment.

Not may manage to stick their head out and survive.

What "acidic process" Brownie is talking about? If he means phosphoric acid then the only reason for it not being used is economical.

Yeah he's been a disppointment alright.  >:(
Most people who really believed in his passion from the old "Oils" days probably would've been trying pretty hard to keep the faith. ..."Maybe he's sooo creative that he's highlighting to the people that even iconic environmentalist musicians have no sway in the decisions that are made for us."

I know I posted this statement by the late Don Chipp before, but I need a reminder:

The late Don Chipp made the following revealing statement in an
interview on Radio 5AA on the 10th June 1992.

"When you are elected to Parliament, the Party Whip calls you into his office (this is Labor & Liberal) & says, 'Congratulations, ladies & gentlemen, on winning a seat in Parliament & welcome to Canberra. I have just got one thing to say to you on this, your first day in Parliament: While you are here, you will think & act & speak & vote according to how we, the Party, tell you to. Forget all that rubbish you talked about during your election campaign, about serving your fellow human beings & your constituency. While you are here, you will do as we, the Party, tells you". Now, the first time they vote, probably on the first day in parliament, the chances are they will be voting against their conscience, against the wishes of their constituents, but in accordance with the Party.

Now for the first time you do this it is pretty hard to do; it is a hell of a shock to the system, because you have nurtured this grand vision all your life that when you get up there you are going to serve the people. You are not. You are serving the Party. Now, why I say your listeners & the general public are to blame for it, is because they condone the party system . If you vote against the Party once, in the Labor Party, you are expelled automatically.
The Liberals say they have a system where you can use your conscience, but you can't. You cross the floor a couple of times in one year & your Electorate Chairman will receive a nice letter from the Prime Minister saying, "We don't think this chap should get pre selection next time'. So, it is a bad system".

Ray Fewings : "What can the public do about it though?".

Don : "Huh! They can rise up & at least let their voice be heard instead
of the stupid sort of Letters-to-the-Editor that are normally published.
They can say, 'Look! We have had this! We want members of parliament! And I think that is possibly one of the reasons Phil Cleary, an independent, won in Wills here a few months ago".

"I became a member of the Government and I said at the time I would accept as a team player the decisions the Government took". Peter Garrett 15/7/2009.

He talks about being a team player like its always a good thing... Not a euphemism for "My team, right or wrong", virtuous or venal, good for the land, the people or a blight... Even at the cost of a tortured conscience... How the lofty have fallen.

How does it go? "And the team players take what the team players want, and nothing's as precious as a hole in the ground"... I'm sure I've heard something like that before.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 15^th, 2009 at 11:15am:

How does he sleep when his bed is glowing ?

He's abysmal, and he must be an embarrassment to the ALP  ;D I don't know why Rudd appointed him. -  because he would appeal to Midnight Oil fans??

Penny Wong on the other hand is very smart, but she can't do everything  without a lot more help.  The best thing they did was to bring Ross Garnaud into the picture as a consultant, because as a Department, they have very little expertise, and what little expertise they do have is being lost to business and industry.

It's very sad. I sometimes think that the Liberals could have  handled it better in terms of organisation at least potentially. Unfortunately they are burdened by too many denialists, even now.

muso wrote on Jul 16^th, 2009 at 9:18am:

It's very sad.

Sadder than we realise... A nationally effective radical in Parliament is a rare thing... He could have epitomised the conscience voter...

Instead...

If Australia's primary radical won't stand for his conscience...

How does Brownie sleep at night? Does he use "acidic process" called "green moon" in the form of little green pills? AFAIK "acid" is still illegal in Australia.

Garrett sold out when he joined Labor, neither of the major parties care about the environment really, its all about attracting votes.

Good ol' Pete

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Amadd wrote on Jul 17^th, 2009 at 12:18am:

Good ol' Pete

Who's gonna save him?

Oh you're talking about the Uranium Mine?

That was actually a good decision. Others probably made that decision for him. He lacks the intellect to do it himself.

We need to produce more Uranium.

It seems that Brownie doesn't have intellect either. Somebody put "acidic process" words in his mouth. Who may it be?

wrote on Jul 16^th, 2009 at 11:19am:

its all about attracting votes.

Geez, who knew??

muso wrote on Jul 17^th, 2009 at 8:05am:

Oh you're talking about the Uranium Mine? That was actually a good decision. Others probably made that decision for him. He lacks the intellect to do it himself. We need to produce more Uranium.

Maybe, but not according to Garrett the first.

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That was actually a good decision. Others probably made that decision for him. He lacks the intellect to do it himself. We need to produce more Uranium.

I'd probably have to agree with you there muso. If we're going to make some real inroads into our CO2 footprint (as the statement goes), then nuclear energy might be the only realistic available option, for the time being at least. I'd like to hear your views on it in the environment section some time.

Garrett has given his approval for not only this new uranium mine in SA, but there are another two on the drawing board. Those who are connected to the uranium industry are now pushing for NP plants saying how ridiculous it is that we're exporting this resource, but not using it for ourselves and they claim the price per plant would only cost about $8 billion. Who are they kidding?

If Labor follows Howard's lead and puts NP stations back on the agenda - we'll know for sure we don't live in a "democracy", but I can see it happening because Howard before he left made sure we were signed up to the Global Nuclear Energy Partnership (GNEP).

Garrett did the Greens a favour obviously by flogging his useless self to the ALP.

Amadd wrote on Jul 17^th, 2009 at 11:45pm:

Quote: That was actually a good decision. Others probably made that decision for him. He lacks the intellect to do it himself. We need to produce more Uranium. I'd probably have to agree with you there muso. If we're going to make some real inroads into our CO2 footprint (as the statement goes), then nuclear energy might be the only realistic available option, for the time being at least. I'd like to hear your views on it in the environment section some time.

I doubt if we'll see Nuclear power in Australia, and there are probably better solutions in Australia anyway, such as geothermal and even solar.

Other countries are not so lucky. If we're not going to use the Uranium ourselves, at least we shuld be supplying it to other countires that won't use it to produce nuclear weapons. We have  very capable international groups of scrutineers (eg the CWC), and I've been scrutinised by them once or twice in the past in different roles LOL.

It's academic which country uses the Uranium for nuclear power. The atmosphere is common to us all.  

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doubt if we'll see Nuclear power in Australia, and there are probably better solutions in Australia anyway, such as geothermal and even solar

EXACTLY.

As for selling it to other countries, how do we guarantee we are not selling it for use as weapons? we cant. Lets face it, which countries in the world do you trust not to turn it into bombs? I'd trust ourselves and New Zealand.

I wouldn't trust us.

Whatever happened to the ALP 4 mines policy?