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................Witnesses said about 3000 protesters had gathered, demanding a new presidential election, in central Tehran in open defiance of the cleric-led Government and police used tear gas and water cannons as the demonstrators shouted "death to the dictator". Earlier Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warned in a speech that protests would end in "bloodshed". He used the speech during prayers at Tehran University to attack the West, especially Britain, and to declare strong support for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the hardliner who was declared the winner of the poll........ ..

http://www.smh.com.au/world/world-is-watching-iran-told-20090620-crvv.html

Brave 3,000 people, hope that they all survive.

All dictatorships rely on threats of violence, which makes a theocratic dictatorship twice as evil.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 21^st, 2009 at 8:41pm:

All dictatorships rely on threats of violence, which makes a theocratic dictatorship twice as evil.

I would have amended, "....threats and acts of violence".

And theocratic dictatorships are twice as evil?




helian,

I would have thought that ALL dictatorships and tyrannies, would share the same condemnation, of freedom loving people?

But then, theists with blood on their hands, are especially evil, aren't they.

Doubly, more evil, than other murderers.
/sarc off







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Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38  This is the first and great commandment.
39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Yadda wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 10:29am:

helian, I would have thought that ALL dictatorships and tyrannies, would share the same condemnation, of freedom loving people? But then, theists with blood on their hands, are especially evil, aren't they. Doubly, more evil, than other murderers. /sarc off

Yeah that's right.

Theocrats take it on themselves to claim to speak for god. They're therefore required to uphold not only temporal law, but 'gods law'. Theocratic dictatorships therefore oppress their people twice over. Once by dictatorship and again by subverting the trust of the faithful when they pervert the tenets of faith.

It would be one thing for  Ahmadinejad to have engaged in electoral fraud but much worse to the people of Iran if Khamanei has done the same.

helian - I agree.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 12:17pm:

It would be one thing for  Ahmadinejad to have engaged in electoral fraud but much worse to the people of Iran if Khamanei has done the same.

So if Ahmadinejad had cut my throat, it would be a crime.

But if Khamanei had cut my throat, it would be much, much, worse?

For who?

The people who witness the deed?

What about for, me?             ;D




Personally, i think that it would be equally terrible, to have my throat cut, whether by Ahmadinejad, OR by Khamanei !!!


Reminds me of....

"Whether the stone hits the pitcher, or the pitcher hits the stone, it's going to be bad for the pitcher."
SANCHO
Man Of La Mancha

Yadda wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 22nd, 2009 at 12:17pm: It would be one thing for  Ahmadinejad to have engaged in electoral fraud but much worse to the people of Iran if Khamanei has done the same. So if Ahmadinejad had cut my throat, it would be a crime. But if Khamanei had cut my throat, it would be much, much, worse? For who? The people who witness the deed? What about for, me?             ;D Personally, i think that it would be equally terrible, to have my throat cut, whether by Ahmadinejad, OR by Khamanei !!! Reminds me of.... "Whether the stone hits the pitcher, or the pitcher hits the stone, it's going to be bad for the pitcher." SANCHO Man Of La Mancha

When a politician screws around its a bit of a scandal when a bishop screws around its an outrage.

The outcome for you, the murder victim would be the same. The outcome if a clerical head of state committed murder would likely be the collapse of the regime or revolution. What' the bet, if Khamanei is clearly guilty of electoral fraud, they might all find themselves bunked up in Khomenei's Paris digs.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:32pm:

When a politician screws around its a bit of a scandal when a bishop screws around its an outrage.

A politician = = a man

A bishop = = a man



The only distinction between them, is they are climbing different 'greasy poles' - FOR THE SAME MOTIVES [more often].


If a politician commits murder?
....its murder.

If a bishop commits murder?
....its murder.





All men, are able to justify, to themselves, the most heinous crimes.

But murder, is still murder.

Even 'ecclesiastical' based murder.

Yadda wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:40pm:

If a bishop commits murder? ....its murder.

If a bishop commits murder its murder and a betrayal of his vows and his See. A trauma for his congregation and a reflection on his church... And if he were the head of state in a theocratic dictatorship, the likely destruction of the regime.

The only pillar a theocrat can offer over the secular to the people he rules, is a commitment to upholding the 'laws of god'.

helian - yes.

For a theocrat - the effects are far greater and they (should be) judged by the peoples of that state more "searchingly."

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:50pm:

For a theocrat - the effects are far greater and they (should be) judged by the peoples of that state more "searchingly."

And they are.

Quote:

.....A backstage struggle among Iran's ruling clerics has burst into the open with the government saying it had arrested the daughter and other relatives of an ayatollah who is one of the country's most powerful men. State media said yesterday the daughter and four other relatives of former President Hashemi Rafsanjani were later released but their arrests appeared to be a clear warning from the hardline establishment to a cleric who may be aligning himself with the opposition.......... .

http://www.smh.com.au/world/rafsanjanis-daughters-arrest--a-warning-20090622-ct6n.html

the ruling clerics are right pricks.

And the mullahs' religious stormtroopers, the Basiji... mainly Palestinians... Their weapon of choice on the streets? A razor, so they can slash Iranians they detain on site.