Monday, 1 June 2009
Another Case of Sudden Jihad Syndrome in a Convert

(CNN) -- An Arkansas man was arrested Monday in connection with a shooting at a Little Rock military recruiting center that killed one soldier and wounded another, authorities said.

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad -- a 24-year-old Little Rock resident formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe -- faces a first-degree murder charge and 15 counts of engaging in a terrorist act, Little Rock Police Chief Stuart Thomas said. The terrorist counts stem from the shots fired at an occupied building.

While authorities continued to investigate a motive, Thomas said Muhammad is a Muslim convert and, based on preliminary interviews with him, investigators believe there were "political and religious motives" in the shooting.

Military officials initially believed the shooting was a random act, but Thomas said police believe the shooter acted alone "with the specific purpose of targeting military personnel."

The soldier who was killed was identified as Pvt. William Long, 24, of Conway, and the wounded soldier is Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, Thomas said.

Ezeagwula is in stable condition and expected to recover, the police chief said.

"I'm relieved there's a suspect in custody," said Capt. Matthew Feehan, commander of the center.

Feehan said seven other recruiters were in the building, but nobody else was injured.

Thomas said police recovered three guns from Muhammad's black Ford SUV: an SKS semi-automatic rifle, a .22-caliber rifle and a pistol.

The victims were just out of basic training and had not been deployed, said Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis, commander of the Oklahoma recruiting battalion that oversees the Little Rock recruiting center...




these fvckers are the red army faction & bader-meinhoff brigade of our time.

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 8:43pm:

Monday, 1 June 2009 Another Case of Sudden Jihad Syndrome in a Convert (CNN) -- An Arkansas man was arrested Monday in connection with a shooting at a Little Rock military recruiting center that killed one soldier and wounded another, authorities said.

Looks similar to attacks at recruiting centers in Iraq.

Only question what he'll get?

happy - according to the koran , 72 eternal virgin in the islamic whorehouse in the sky.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 10:25am:

happy - according to the koran , 72 eternal virgin in the islamic whorehouse in the sky.

Did you say that US court will help him to get there?

Andrew Bostom in the NY Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/05/27/2009-05-27_stop_ignoring_islams_antisemitic_doctrine_bronx_bomb_plot_reminds_us_of_a_core_r.html?page=0


Richard Williams, uncle of the arrested plotter Onta "Hamza" Williams, lamented that his nephew, a Baptist who converted to Islam, "…wasn't raised this way. All this happened when he became a Muslim in prison." Indeed, Warith Deen Umar, a Muslim chaplain who worked for 25 years in the New York State prisons and was considered a highly influential cleric, reportedly boasted that this vast incarceration system was, "...the perfect recruitment and training ground for radicalism and the Islamic religion." During his chaplaincy, Umar also repeatedly gave sermons fomenting Jew hatred, witnessed by prison staff.

But beyond all this, the obvious question persists - although dutifully avoided by our learned religious, media and political elites in this sorry age of Islamic correctness: What Islamic teachings might these American Muslim converts have learned, whether in prison, or elsewhere, which caused them to target their American Jewish neighbors, specifically, for mass killing? Simply put, it is impossible to comprehend this ugly phenomenon without understanding the core, mainstream Islamic theology - still unreformed and unrepentant - which has inspired hatred of Jews since the advent of Islam?

Non-converts to Islam, inexplicably, are also behaving badly. Abu Rashid and Co must be counting their blessings that they can convert to Islam and no Catholics of Lakemba are outraged enough to manhandle them at scheduled intervals.



TURKEY: IRANIAN REFUGEE BEATEN FOR HIS FAITH
Convert to Christianity loses another job as co-workers learn he’s not Muslim.

ISTANBUL, June 15 (Compass Direct News) – Since Iranian native Nasser Ghorbani fled to Turkey seven years ago, he has been unable to keep a job for more than a year – eventually his co-workers would ask why he didn’t come to the mosque on Fridays, and one way or another they’d learn that he was a convert to Christianity. Soon thereafter he would be gone. Never had anyone gotten violent with him, however, until three weeks ago, when someone at his workplace in Istanbul hit him on the temple so hard he knocked him out. When he came back to his senses, Ghorbani was covered in dirt, and his left eye was swollen shut. It hurt to breathe; his whole body was in pain. He had no idea what had happened. “I’ve always had problems at work in Turkey because I’m a Christian, but never anything like this,” Ghorbani told Compass.


And isn't Abu Rashid really, really lucky that Chrstians are nothng like Muslims? From that great Muslim-pride country, Pakstan:


Christian Murdered for Drinking Tea from a Muslim Cup
WASHINGTON, June 12 /Christian Newswire/ -- International Christian Concern (www.persecution.org) has learned that radical Muslims running a tea stall beat a Christian man to death for using a cup designated for Muslims on May 9. The young man, Ishtiaq Masih, had ordered tea at a roadside stall in Machharkay village, Punjab, Pakistan, after his bus made a rest stop.

When Ishtiaq went to pay for his tea, the owner noticed that he was wearing a necklace with a cross and grabbed him, calling for his employees to bring anything available to beat him for violating a sign posted on the stall warning non-Muslims to declare their religion before being served. Ishtiaq had not noticed the warning sign before ordering his tea.

The owner and 14 of his employees beat Ishtiaq with stones, iron rods and clubs, and stabbed him multiple times with kitchen knives as Ishtiaq pleaded for mercy.

The other bus passengers and other passers-by finally intervened and took Ishtiaq to the Rural Health Center in the village. The doctor who took Ishtiaq's case told ICC that Ishtiaq had died due to excessive internal and external bleeding, a fractured skull, and brain injuries.

Makah Tea Stall is located on the Sukheki-Lahore highway and is owned by Mubarak Ali, a 42-year-old radical Muslim. ICC's correspondent visited the tea stall and observed that a large red warning sign with a death's head symbol was posted which read, "All non-Muslims should introduce their faith prior to ordering tea. This tea stall serves Muslims only." The warning also threatened anyone who violated the rule with "dire consequences."

A neighboring shopkeeper told ICC on condition of anonymity that all Ali's employees are former students of radical Muslim madrassas (seminaries).

Ishtiaq's family said that they immediately reported the incident to the police and filed a case against Ali. However, the murderers are still freely operating the tea stall.

When ICC asked the Pindi Bhatian Saddar police station about the murder, the police chief said that investigations were underway and they are treating it as a faith-based murder by biased Muslims. When asked about Ali's warning sign, police chief Muhammad Iftikhar Bajwa claimed that he could not take it down. However, the constitution of Pakistan explicitly prohibits such discrimination.

The public is encouraged to call the Pakistani embassy of their country to protest this heinous crime?

Pakistan Embassies:

USA: (202) 243-6500, info@embassyofpakistanusa.org  
Canada: (613) 238-7881, parepottawa@rogers.com  
UK: 0870-005-6967, hoc@phclondon.org



Bad Muslims. Really bad. But it has nothing to do with Islam, obviously. . .  We all knoww it could happen in a Martin Place cafe, couldn't it? They could have a small sign, " No Muslims are allowed to drink from cups used by non-Muslm customers" somewhere and proceed to beat to death anyone found concealing his OR heer Muslim identity.
How about that?

Got anything to say abu ???

your belief system is a disgrace and disgusts many free people.

HATE preacher Abu Izzadeen has been sent back to jail - following a four-letter rant at cops. The former electrician, 34, swore at officers checking he was at an approved address and not associating with extremists - both conditions of hisrelease just seven weeks ago.
Izzadeen - who has called for the beheading of British soldiers - accused police of harassment and refused to let them in.
Prison Service chiefs then ordered his immediate recall.
Cops called at the temporary West London address of Izzadeen - real name Trevor Brooks - on June 25.
A source said: "He was extremely angry, yelling at the officers to get out of his face. Then he started swearing. They were only doing their job. He should never have been let out early - now he is back where he belongs."



Abu Izzadeen, eh?  What's with converts calling themselves Abu this and Abu that? What's wrong with Ahmed?

This thread might as well be titled blacks behaving badly.  Most of these people convert in prison, and what they convert to can barely be considered Islam in the first place.

Coral Sea wrote on Jul 9^th, 2009 at 2:30am:

This thread might as well be titled blacks behaving badly.  Most of these people convert in prison, and what they convert to can barely be considered Islam in the first place.

Very well...




Allah is dead
He was wrapped in a tarp and duct tape, and dumped in a park.  No, not that Allah, the other one.  Another body has turned up in the continuing saga of Your Black Muslim Bakery in Oakland.  From the San Francisco Chronicle:

Authorities believe a body found buried last week in a San Francisco park is that of a man who had ties to Your Black Muslim Bakery in Oakland and who vanished two years ago under suspicious circumstances, The Chronicle has learned.

The man, thought to be Omar Sharif Allah, disappeared in October 2007 as the black self-empowerment group was in the final stages of its unraveling.

[...]

City crews cleaning a homeless encampment in McLaren Park on July 6 discovered the dead man, wrapped in duct tape and a blue tarp. Police say the body appeared to have been buried for more than a year.

Based on tattoos and other information, authorities believe the body is that of Allah, also known as Ronnie Brown, who was 32 when he was last seen Oct. 20, 2007.

[...]

Allah was living in San Leandro with his girlfriend when he was last seen, authorities said. The car he was driving had been rented by someone else, who reported it stolen in Hayward, Jouanicot said.

Records show that Allah was on parole for a weapons conviction when he disappeared.

Jouanicot said Allah had been associated with people connected to Your Black Muslim Bakery, but may not have been a full-fledged member.

Gunman army major Malik Nadal Hasan kills 11 and injures 31 soldiers in massacre at Texas base Fort Hood

Military police forces killed the gunman, identified as army major Malik Nadal Hasan, a military psychiatrist who was soon to be deployed to Iraq.

The major was believed to be a recent convert to Islam

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/gunman-army-major-hassan-malik-kills-12-and-injures-31-soldiers-in-massacre-at-texas-base-fort-hood/story-e6frg6n6-1225794947581



Islam has nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

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The major was believed to be a recent convert to Islam

So he's not just an American of Jordanian descent??

From what they said, he was a military psychiatrist who sat day in, day out, listening to soldiers tell him about the evil acts they committed against Iraqi and Afghani civilians... and eventually he blew his stack... wonder why?? Strange isn't it.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 6^th, 2009 at 4:10pm:

Quote: The major was believed to be a recent convert to Islam So he's not just an American of Jordanian descent?? From what they said, he was a military psychiatrist who sat day in, day out, listening to soldiers tell him about the evil acts they committed against Iraqi and Afghani civilians... and eventually he blew his stack... wonder why?? Strange isn't it.

No, he is not just an American of Palestinian arab descent. He is a Muslim. Hhe is the only US army psychiatrist he 'blew his stack'. Why? Because he could not reconcile his Muslimness with hi Americannes. He was about to be deployed. his Americanness hd to give in a way thatr it only gives with Muslims. Only Muslims are conflicted to the extent that they will engage in jihad, which is what this guy did. Because he is a Muslim. No other reason. His muslimness is central to what he did.
We all know it. Everybody knows it. Some people will pretend it's not not important. They will be held in the same contempt as this guy.

Daniel Pipes just yestreday spelled it out: American's used to bar communint from enetring he US. It is time to bar professing muslims, he said. Sounds like a timely, even prescient, call.

You guy are on the nose more and more, with no redeeming features.

My point was he was not a convert, but an Arab Muslim from birth...

Yes I'm sure he did it as a Muslim... then again, I'm sure some non-Muslims might go over the edge if they listened to those horror stories of the wicked sadistic things the soldiers do to the civilians of those countries...

Daniel Pipes, not unlike your good self, is a dolt.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 6^th, 2009 at 10:25pm:

My point was he was not a convert, but an Arab Muslim from birth... Yes I'm sure he did it as a Muslim... then again, I'm sure some non-Muslims might go over the edge if they listened to those horror stories of the wicked sadistic things the soldiers do to the civilians of those countries... Daniel Pipes, not unlike your good self, is a dolt.

But non-Mohammedans do not go over the 'edge'. And even if they did, it would not be in the form of killing their comrades.



Every non-muslim soldier who, standing next to a fellow soldier of Muslim faith, has asked himself, 'can I trust this fellow?' has now had his answer.

Every family member of every non-muslim soldier who asked, 'can I trust my son's and daughter's  Muslim comrades in the military?' has now had his or her answer.

Every other person working with muslims in a job where you have to trust the fellow next to you had his answer to the question 'can I trust this guy?'.

There is no paranoid, unfounded 'islamophobia'. As those dead and wounded will attest, the phobia is not irrational or unfounded at all. Never has been.







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soren I think deep down you're fully aware this isn't about Islam, it's about an oppressed and besieged people who are weaker and bullied, and sometimes when in a position of power over their aggressors, they can snap. I'm sure some minorities under Islamic rule probably did similar things throughout the time of Islam's rule of the world, like Christian soldiers in al-Andalus... It's not something unique or specific to Islam, but merely to the position Muslims happen to occupy in the world today.


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But non-Mohammedans do not go over the 'edge'. And even if they did, it would not be in the form of killing their comrades.

As far as I remember Sergeant John M. Russell who went on a similar killing spree, killing 5 of his comrades in Iraq earlier this year was not a Muslim convert was he?

As usual, you speak nothing but utter bovine faeces.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 7^th, 2009 at 9:50pm:

soren I think deep down you're fully aware this isn't about Islam, it's about an oppressed and besieged people who are weaker and bullied, and sometimes when in a position of power over their aggressors, they can snap. I'm sure some minorities under Islamic rule probably did similar things throughout the time of Islam's rule of the world, like Christian soldiers in al-Andalus... It's not something unique or specific to Islam, but merely to the position Muslims happen to occupy in the world today. Quote: But non-Mohammedans do not go over the 'edge'. And even if they did, it would not be in the form of killing their comrades. As far as I remember Sergeant John M. Russell who went on a similar killing spree, killing 5 of his comrades in Iraq earlier this year was not a Muslim convert was he? As usual, you speak nothing but utter bovine faeces.

Russell was not shouting 'Allahu Akhbar' either. There's an important differentiatiation right there, noticed by all, even you.


You know full well that the moment a Muslim monster, no matter how mentally ill he may be, utters the magic words 'Allahu Akhbar' while murdering kaffir is all sane and serene and doing Allan's work as far as you are concerned and all is forgiven him.

You just said they don't kill comrades.

Can't you just concede you're a dolt who rarely gets it right.. for once? Always has to be the persistent arrogant denials. If you meant they don't kill their comrades whilst saying "Allahu Akbar" then make that your argument from the outset. Certainly would prevent you looking like a sore loser so often.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 7^th, 2009 at 10:07pm:

You just said they don't kill comrades. Can't you just concede you're a dolt who rarely gets it right.. for once? Always has to be the persistent arrogant denials. If you meant they don't kill their comrades whilst saying "Allahu Akbar" then make that your argument from the outset. Certainly would prevent you looking like a sore loser so often.

Soren - Sore loser - is that the limit of your wit?


Slice it and dice it all you like - islam is in the news every day with a fresh horror, commited in its name.  A soldier killing his comrades out of religious motivations is insane or evil. A soldier shouting 'Jesus is Lord; or 'Dawkins is Lord' is a smacking lunatic.

But when a soldier is shouting 'allahu akhbar' while killing his comrades -  you call that extreme provocation. You can't bring yourself to condemning anybody shouting 'allahu akhbar', no matter how smacking insane or evil he is.

And that what makes you so bloody foreign - and I don't give a sh!te where you were born. In your heard, you are dreaming of Araby circa 632 AD. You will arse-cover for the sons of Allan because Islam tells you not to side with the kaffir against the brovvers, no matter what.

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Seven killed in 'Nato air strike' breaking news At least seven members of the Afghan security forces have been killed in a Nato air strike, the Afghan defence ministry says. It said Nato and the Afghan authorities are investigating the incident which took place in western Badghis province on Friday. Reports say four Afghan soldiers and three policemen were killed. There has been no word from Nato forces so far on whether an air strike has taken place. (ie. Do we really have to admit we're an absolute pack of losers who just bombed our own 'friendlies' to smithereens) An Afghan Defence Ministry spokesman, Gen Mohammad Zahir Azimi, said an army commando unit, district police members and a number of foreign forces were in a base housing coalition troops and Afghan forces when the Nato air strike occurred. News of the incident came as Nato said that more than 25 Nato and Afghan troops had been wounded during a search on Friday for two US paratroopers missing in north-west Afghanistan.

Don't even know why that Palestinian guy wasted his time. Give them enough guns and let the gung-ho fools kill each other  ;D

Perhaps the Christian NATO forces were yelling "Hallelujah" as they slaughtered their comrades... guess we'll never know will we   :P

On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting, "Allahu akbar!" ("God is great!") committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.

What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Fort Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of nondenominational shoplifting.

This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it's an act of terror. Period.

When the terrorist posts anti-American hate speech on the Web; apparently praises suicide bombers and uses his own name; loudly criticizes US policies; argues (as a psychiatrist, no less) with his military patients over the worth of their sacrifices; refuses, in the name of Islam, to be photographed with female colleagues; lists his nationality as "Palestinian" in a Muslim spouse-matching program and parades around central Texas in a fundamentalist playsuit -- well, it only seems fair to call this terrorist an "Islamist terrorist."

But the president won't. Despite his promise to get to all the facts. Because there's no such thing as "Islamist terrorism" in ObamaWorld.

And the Army won't. Because its senior leaders are so sick with political correctness that pandering to America haters is safer than calling terrorism "terrorism."

And the media won't. Because they have more interest in the shooter than in our troops -- despite their crocodile tears.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan planned this terrorist attack and executed it in cold blood. The resulting massacre was the first tragedy. The second was that he wasn't killed on the spot.

Hasan survived. Now the rest of us will have to foot his massive medical bills. Activist lawyers will get involved, claiming "harassment" drove him temporarily insane. There'll be no end of trial delays. At best, taxpayer dollars will fund his prison lifestyle for decades to come, since our politically correct Army leadership wouldn't dare pursue or carry out the death penalty.

Maj. Hasan will be a hero to Islamist terrorists abroad and their sympathizers here. While US Muslim organizations decry his acts publicly, Hasan will be praised privately. And he'll have the last laugh.

But Hasan isn't the sole guilty party. The US Army's unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Fort Hood.

Given the myriad warning signs, it's appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Fort Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.

Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would've been gone with the simoom. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.

Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. At least 38 people were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don't roll in this maggot's chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.

There's another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist wacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who've been assigned to his care? And he's not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?

For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I'm ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him.

Get ready for the apologias. We've already heard from the terrorist's family that "he's a good American." In their world, maybe he is.

But when do we, the American public, knock off the PC nonsense?

A disgruntled Muslim soldier murdered his officers way back in 2003, in Kuwait, on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Recently? An American mullah shoots it out with the feds in Detroit. A Muslim fanatic attacks an Arkansas recruiting station. A Muslim media owner, after playing the peace card, beheads his wife. A Muslim father runs over his daughter because she's becoming too Westernized.

Muslim terrorist wannabes are busted again and again. And we're assured that "Islam's a religion of peace."

I guarantee you that the Obama administration's nonresponse to the Fort Hood attack will mock the memory of our dead.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/call_this_horror_by_its_name_islamist_HT78Wt6NkWoCGq5HIOwlII#ixzz0WE7CVDM9

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And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam. What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Fort Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of nondenominational shoplifting.

It's not out of political correctness, they just don't want to admit they got infiltrated by 'terrorists'. They also don't want the 3500+ other Muslim soldiers in the U.S armed forces who help them "win the hearts and minds" on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan to get cold feet and bail.

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You know full well that the moment a Muslim monster, no matter how mentally ill he may be, utters the magic words 'Allahu Akhbar' while murdering kaffir is all sane and serene and doing Allan's work as far as you are concerned and all is forgiven him

Well according to his non-Muslim neighbours he was not quite the kafir-hater you're making him out to be.


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Next-door neighbours Jacqueline Harris, 44, and her boyfriend, Willie Bell, said Hasan called Thursday at 5 a.m. and left a goodbye message. Bell said Hasan bid farewell, saying, "Nice knowing you, old friend. I'm going to miss you."

(CBC)

Seems his beef was purely with soldiers, if that was his motive anyway, we don't know for sure yet.

abu - you and your islamic mates can bugger off out of aussie.

watch today/tonight , channel 7 monday night.
its about "enclaves"  muslims

and how us aussies don't like you or your kind.

up yours and bugger off you paedophile praising inbiciles

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Every non-muslim soldier who, standing next to a fellow soldier of Muslim faith, has asked himself, 'can I trust this fellow?' has now had his answer. Every family member of every non-muslim soldier who asked, 'can I trust my son's and daughter's  Muslim comrades in the military?' has now had his or her answer. Every other person working with muslims in a job where you have to trust the fellow next to you had his answer to the question 'can I trust this guy?'. There is no paranoid, unfounded 'islamophobia'. As those dead and wounded will attest, the phobia is not irrational or unfounded at all. Never has been.

CHRISTIAN Democrat MP Fred Nile has warned of the risks of allowing Muslims to serve in Australia's armed forces.
The Rev Nile says last week's killing spree in the United States in which an army officer shot dead 13 people should cause "all associated with the free world's military forces to feel serious concern".

The NSW MP and former army officer said the Australian Defence Force could already harbour Muslim personnel who may be a threat to their comrades in arms.

"Australians would like to be assured that our defence forces have in place a system of assessment and review which would identify any person whose adherence to any alien ideology might one day override loyalty to mates and loyalty to the Crown," Mr Nile said.

"There is an argument for suggesting that the safety and morale of our troops may warrant a ban on dedicated Muslims joining the armed forces, who may be influenced by Islamic fundamentalism."

Probably have to agree with Fred here, Muslims should be banned from the armed forces of Australia. Good call Fred.

So should dedicated Christians too. Some have already stood up and said they put their God before their country and military, so probably safer as well to exclude them.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 9^th, 2009 at 11:36pm:

So should dedicated Christians too. Some have already stood up and said they put their God before their country and military, so probably safer as well to exclude them.

The issue here is shooting their comrades, pinhead. Christians who put their god before their military duty are called pacifists and consciencious objectors. Can you tell the difference between these two concepts and a jihadi terrorist shooting his comrades?

(As if you didn't know. But you still try on the equivocation. A bit of Churchillian "Eradication of feeble-mindednss" would be just the treatment for you: a sock filled with wet sand, bang! on the back of the head. It could bring only good.)

As I've already relayed to you soren, a Christian soldier earlier this year opened fire and killed 5 of his comrades... what more evidence do you need??? None, because no matter what the circumstances, it all comes back to Islam for you, doesn't it?

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 10^th, 2009 at 12:36am:

As I've already relayed to you soren, a Christian soldier earlier this year opened fire and killed 5 of his comrades... what more evidence do you need??? None, because no matter what the circumstances, it all comes back to Islam for you, doesn't it?

Nonsense. You are making it up.

There was no 'christian' soldier or 'atheist' soldier killing his comrades  earlier this year with the Lord's Prayer or 'Viva Dawkins' on his lips - or whatever you consider the equivalent of "Allas's at the Bar", the Mahomedan cry of jihadi martyrdom.

There have been religiously motivated killing of comrades in arms by Mahomedans. And you regard them as heros and martyrs.

If anyone pulls a gun on his comrades and says that Jesus or Gandhi told him to kill, he'd be regarded as insane or a lying cowardly  bastard.

Martryrs doing Allan's work versus insane, cowardly criminals  - there's the difference, in a nutshell.

Theodore Dalrymple in the Daily Express
http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/145370/Christianity-has-been-demoted-by-the-political-class

BY FAR the most significant thing about the case against Benjamin and Sharon Vogelenzang was that it reached a court of law in the first place. This evangelical Christian couple who run a hotel were accused of making derogatory remarks about the religion of one of their guests, Ericka Tazi, a Muslim convert, and thereby spreading religious hatred and contempt. Mrs Tazi was found to have exaggerated the couple’s verbal abuse grossly but the fact that the case was thrown out of court should not blind us to the insidious and creeping reign of terror that the Government has introduced in Britain by facilitating this kind of prosecution.

While the criminal justice system actively promotes real crime by its refusal to repress it vigorously, it attempts to make criminals of Mr and Mrs Vogelenzang because they expressed forthright Christian beliefs.

Apart from this, however, there is the strong suspicion that if the boot had been on the other foot, if the Vogelenzangs had complained about remarks made by Mrs Tazi about their religion, no case would have come to court. THE reason for the difference in approach is an officially-sponsored indifference or hostility to anything which might be considered part of the European and British cultural and religious heritage, combined with a  tender regard for any non- European and non-British  cultural heritage.
This is now so marked a trait that it could almost be called racist. No British minister would go to Brick Lane in East London and say it was horribly Bangladeshi but a British minister had no compunction at all in complaining of an institution that it was “horribly white”.
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We are fortunate enough to be the inheritors of a tradition as great as (though not necessarily greater than) any that exists in the world. Why should we reject it? I write these words from India, where it is far easier to find genuine and knowledgeable admirers of British culture than it is among our own  political class. This surely is the saddest possible commentary on our condition.

As always, Dr Dalrymple has accurately taken the temperature of not only Britain but to a largish extent all Western countries.

There are a lot of cultural self-flgellators in this country, too, some are as possessed by it as to convert to  imported, inferior cultural creeds like the bint in this story or as our own resident Bin Ladenist. To side with such ill-adjusted people, to seek their approval and accommodation is as mad as they are.

They can practice their religion as long as they understand that this permission is entirely thanks to the graciousness of the host cultures of Western countries.

If ordinary people and their elected representatives do not recognise and stand for (and stand up for) the merits of western culture, then nazis will.  

;D

This is a story of a lady who was verbally abused by some red necked scumbags, and they got off because they judge too was a red necked scumbag.

This is quite clearly "kuffar behaving badly" and getting away with it.

Here's a more neutral report from your ABC:

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British hoteliers cleared of abusing Muslim

Posted Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:44am AEDT

A Christian couple who run a hotel in northern England have been cleared of abusing a Muslim guest for wearing a hijab and then insulting her beliefs.

Benjamin and Sharon Vogelenzang were accused of launching a tirade against British Muslim convert Ericka Tazi, 60, at their hotel in Liverpool, where she had been staying while she attended a course at a local hospital in March.

Ms Tazi, who converted to Islam 18 months ago, said they had laughed at her when she wore a hijab on the last day of her stay.

She said Dutch-born Benjamin Vogenlenzang, 53, had called the prophet Mohammed a murderer and likened him to Saddam Hussein and Hitler.

Sharon Vogelenzang, 54, admitted suggesting that the hijab was a form of bondage but said her views were based on media references to Muslim women.

The couple also told the court Ms Tazi had insulted their religion by calling Jesus Christ a minor prophet and said the Bible was untrue. (This is obvious garbage, Jesus (pbuh) is considered not just a prophet, but a messenger AND the Messiah, no Muslim would ever use such terminology as minor prophet)

After a two-day trial, judge Richard Clancy at Liverpool Magistrates Court dismissed charges the hoteliers had used threatening, abusive or insulting words which were religiously aggravated, the Press Association reported.

He said Ms Tazi's claim she had been abused for up to an hour had not been borne out by other prosecution witnesses.

Prosecutors defended bringing the case, saying they believed there had been sufficient evidence for a realistic chance of a conviction.

"We would like to thank all those who have supported us over the last nine months - our family, our friends, our church, and Christians from all around the world and non-Christians," Ms Vogelenzang told reporters outside court after the verdict.

"As Christmas approaches we wish everybody peace and goodwill."

The Islamic Human Rights Commission, which had supported Ms Tazi, said it was shocked by the judge's decision.

"Mr and Mrs Vogelenzang acted out of hatred, which is a reflection of the anti-Muslim sentiment in popular discourse," said IHRC chairman Massoud Shadjareh.

"This acquittal indicates that such hatred has become acceptable. The verdict sets a bad precedent as Muslims will further lose faith in the system."

Source: ABC

Sounds like a perfect decision from a secular court, which responded to the claim that this woman believed she should be accorded special priviliges and treatment, because of her religious beliefs, to which the court said, NO.

Great to see, and I hope we see a lot more of it.

Here is a little tip, if you do not want people to make fun of your beliefs, the first thing would be to try and not have funny beliefs.

Yeh and I'm sure the same decision would've been reached had someone abused a Jew.

This is nothing but the acceptance of hatred and discrimination. It's a small step towards legitimising anti-Islamic behaviour, and we know where that kind of attitude has led Europeans in the past.

lmao, yeas obviously muslims are terrified of their potential mistreatment at the hands of western democracies, because they are fleeing from these western nations in huge numbers, and settling in good muslim countries.

NO?

What?

Well excuse me, I just was informed that in fact the opposite is happening, muslims are fleeing from good muslim nations, and moving to secular western democracies in huge numbers, well who would ever have guessed.

Gee, I wonder where that leaves us, if they are willingly choosing to live in western countries with their attendant prejudices against muslims, then what were they running away from in their good muslim countries, where brotherhood abounds between good muslims who treat each other exactly like real brothers and sisters (or so I have heard some people say)?

Perhaps they are all Jihadists preparing for operations against the western demons who subjugate them, in which case I wonder if they would object to being characterised as enemy combatants, and afforded the rights one reserves for those, pretty much as we see muslims classifying all non-muslims as possessing of a collective guilt, for not converting to Islam?

Well I guess we will have to put up with muslims putting up with us western pigs, as they keep arriving in our western hellholes in ever increasing numbers.

I just wish they were committed to a one child (and one wife, lol) policy on the way in, because the irresponsible way these folk breed is not doing our culture, or the planet any good.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2009 at 9:33am:

Yeh and I'm sure the same decision would've been reached had someone abused a Jew. This is nothing but the acceptance of hatred and discrimination. It's a small step towards legitimising anti-Islamic behaviour, and we know where that kind of attitude has led Europeans in the past.

Whereas, the legitimisation of anti-UN-ISLAMIC behaviour is already 'de rigueur' within all Sharia jurisdictions.



Dictionary,
de rigueur = = required by etiquette or current fashion.




Google,
christians oppression against muslim
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=christians+oppression+against+muslim&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

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lmao, yeas obviously muslims are terrified of their potential mistreatment at the hands of western democracies, because they are fleeing from these western nations in huge numbers, and settling in good muslim countries.

Jews were still flocking into German influenced areas of Europe even after the holocaust had begun... Doesn't mean much.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2009 at 12:13pm:

Quote: lmao, yeas obviously muslims are terrified of their potential mistreatment at the hands of western democracies, because they are fleeing from these western nations in huge numbers, and settling in good muslim countries. Jews were still flocking into German influenced areas of Europe even after the holocaust had begun... Doesn't mean much.

Without the jews your life would be meaningless.

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Jews were still flocking into German influenced areas of Europe even after the holocaust had begun... Doesn't mean much.

Are you sure about that?

Where were they flocking to nazi europe from pray tell?

What holocaust?

I was not sure muslims believed in the holocaust?

Speaking of stuff people do not believe in, do muslims have a position on santa claus?

Is having reindeer statues and christmas tree lights looked upon as idol worshipping for instance?

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2009 at 9:33am:

Yeh and I'm sure the same decision would've been reached had someone abused a Jew. This is nothing but the acceptance of hatred and discrimination. It's a small step towards legitimising anti-Islamic behaviour, and we know where that kind of attitude has led Europeans in the past.

Criticising Islam is not anti-Islamic behaviour. Not in a liberal democracy. Just because you would stone them does not mean they do not have the right to free speech in their own country.

They have not kidnapped or beheaded anyone. Not something you can say about Muslims, on a daily basis. Muslims engage in violent 'anti-absolutely everybody' behaviour every day.

anti-islamic behaviour ????
should be more of it, they warrent it.

the intolerant bloodthirsty isolationist extremists who follow a kiddie fiddler .
who the bugger wants that ?
Not europe, england or aussie

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 13^th, 2009 at 8:57pm:

anti-islamic behaviour ???? should be more of it, they warrent it. the intolerant bloodthirsty isolationist extremists who follow a kiddie fiddler . who the bugger wants that ? Not europe, england or aussie

Sprinty hashad a massive Pauline turn for the worse since then....


Anyway, here is an American convert:


https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_avif,q_auto:eco,dpr_2/newscms/2019_02/2707996/190108-warren-christopher-clark-mc-8522.jpg

He LOOKS like someone who'd convert to Islam.  The Houston native used the alias Abu Mohammad al-Ameriki.

Another non-swedish shooter:


The shooter involved in the Austin mass shooting on Sixth Street has been identified by Austin police as 53-year-old Ndiaga Diagne. Multiple U.S. officials told CBS News he was a naturalized American citizen born in Senegal. The gunman, who was shot and killed by police, was wearing a sweatshirt that said "Property of Allah" during the attack.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HCX9D4sXEAUHSTt?.png

Motive for the shooting is unclear....   :D :D