I love multiculturalism.
I love the fact that we can learn about other people, and start to recognise their similiarities, not just their differences.
I love that kids can grow up respecting other cultures, not thinking they must denigrate or stereotype them as inferior.
I love the fact that we can finally try to live a principle of brotherhood that so many preach, but so few practice.

Sure we have setbacks, and obstacles, but we will persevere, and we will see a better world for our kids, than the one we inherited, and our grandkids an even better one again, because it is only through understanding, that we can achieve acceptance, and only through acceptance, that we can achieve peace.
It is a noble goal, and a goal worth striving for, no matter how hard it may be at times.

ROTFLMAO

You don't need a dumb, flawed settlement policy called Multiculturalism to do any of that.  It is socially corrosive and creates disharmony within societies...  prove time and time again and now proven in studies by LW soiciologists.

mozzaok wrote on May 25^th, 2009 at 12:59am:

I love multiculturalism. I love the fact that we can learn about other people, and start to recognise their similiarities, not just their differences. I love that kids can grow up respecting other cultures, not thinking they must denigrate or stereotype them as inferior. I love the fact that we can finally try to live a principle of brotherhood that so many preach, but so few practice. Sure we have setbacks, and obstacles, but we will persevere, and we will see a better world for our kids, than the one we inherited, and our grandkids an even better one again, because it is only through understanding, that we can achieve acceptance, and only through acceptance, that we can achieve peace. It is a noble goal, and a goal worth striving for, no matter how hard it may be at times.

Ok excuse me just while I finish barfing......

Why should we need to understand barbaric and backward cultures? Why are you so sure that *EVERY* other culture and philosophy around the world is beneficient and worthwhile so we must understand it? Couldn't it be possible, just possible, that outside of fantasy land there are cultures and practices that are undesirable, not benign, and perhaps, even..gasp..BAD?

Should we have embraced the culture of Nazism and Stalinism, and it was only our failure to be tolerant and accepting that prevented us from seeing it as enlightened? Should we have welcome practising Nazis onto our shores after World War II and said, 'You are free to practice your culture in peace, wave your Swastika in a parade as much as you like.'

And yet we let Muslims have parades waving the black flag of jihad, the flag of Hamas, and the flag of Hizbollah shouting in arabic, 'My life for you Nasrallah.' All of those people should have been rounded up and shot for treason.

There is one culture - the Australian culture. Moral relativism just means we are obsequious nothings that are unprincipled. Without any principles we fail to criticise abhorrent behaviour for fear of 'offending' anyone like craven cowards that deserve not this country nor even freedom.

Weak minded people such as yourself have been easily overwhelmed by the constant spew of leftist vomit throughout the education system - and so do not know what you stand for anymore, other than 'tolerance' of anything and everything. Nothing is ever bad, only our failure to understand is bad.

Well - wife beating is bad. Forcing women to wear bedsheets is bad. Mysogynistic cultures that hang homosexuals from cranes in the public square and stone the victims of rape to death is bad. And I don't give a flying f*ck whether someone says I have to respect that culture - I don't.

You're like the insane smiliing host of a dinner party who just keeps laughing and nodding while a guest uses an axe to smash up the house, and then cautions your other guests to applaud because doing so is being 'culturally sensitive'. That people such as yourself, exist at all is horrifying, that you can vote is almost enough to make it not worthwhile to try and stop this idiocy.

I am assured by those around me that people like you are in the minority, I hope that is true. If it's not, I am going to leave you all to your fate - because frankly you deserve it.

Calanen wrote on May 25^th, 2009 at 10:39am:

And yet we let Muslims have parades waving the black flag of jihad, the flag of Hamas, and the flag of Hizbollah shouting in arabic, 'My life for you Nasrallah.' All of those people should have been rounded up and shot for treason.

Reins should be much shorter, that’s for sure.


Calanen wrote on May 25^th, 2009 at 10:39am:

There is one culture - the Australian culture. Moral relativism just means we are obsequious nothings that are unprincipled. Without any principles we fail to criticise abhorrent behaviour for fear of 'offending' anyone like craven cowards that deserve not this country nor even freedom.

“Festive Season” instead of “Christmas” in order not to offend
No pork sandwiches during “Festive Season” party in order not to offend
No carols singing at school because of the same reason.

How about no Halal animal killing because that our feelings are offended not to mention additional unnecessary animal cruelty?


Calanen wrote on May 25^th, 2009 at 10:39am:

Weak minded people such as yourself have been easily overwhelmed by the constant spew of leftist vomit throughout the education system - and so do not know what you stand for anymore, other than 'tolerance' of anything and everything. Nothing is ever bad, only our failure to understand is bad.

This is severely piss poor, but behaving like mentioned host we are effectively gagged and cannot express our feelings.


Calanen wrote on May 25^th, 2009 at 10:39am:

Well - wife beating is bad. Forcing women to wear bedsheets is bad. Mysogynistic cultures that hang homosexuals from cranes in the public square and stone the victims of rape to death is bad. And I don't give a flying f*ck whether someone says I have to respect that culture - I don't.

How about it, you wear what you want at home, but when you come out you do not wear balaclavas in public, full stop.



Calanen wrote on May 25^th, 2009 at 10:39am:

I am assured by those around me that people like you are in the minority, I hope that is true. If it's not, I am going to leave you all to your fate - because frankly you deserve it.

Vocal minority upsets me a lot.
So many concessions so many steps backward that makes your head spin.

My only hope that sooner rather than later women in Australia are going to oppose oppression and join the Australian way of living before their current way of living becomes Australian way.

gO mULTICULTI....
MUSLIMS IN HOLLAND BOYCOTTING JEWISH SHOPS

http://www.nisnews.nl/

THE HAGUE, 14/01/09 - Within the Dutch Muslim community, a boycott of supermarkets Aldi and Lidl has been called for. According to De Volkskrant newspaper, the message has been spread and picked up at lightning speed since Saturday.

The call from an anonymous source was made last Saturday and read: "Do no go shopping today at Aldi and Lidl. The entire sales of 10 January 2009 are going to Israel," the paper reported yesterday.

"It appears as though the entire Islamic community in the Netherlands received the message on Saturday via SMS or e-mail. And otherwise, the call was also picked up in the mosque," wrote De Volkskrant. "The rumour went through the Netherlands as fast as an Internet virus spreads. Muslims - from young to old, from moderate to fundamentalist - passed the message on en masse to each other."

Yassin Elforkani, chairman of the Moroccan Imam Union, is sympathetic towards the boycott. "Many feel anger and powerlessness about the war in Gaza. Such a boycott then seems the least you can do," the paper quoted him as saying.

De Volksrant says that "many Muslims answered the call, even though it is completely unclear who the source is, or why these companies in particular should have to be a target." The supermarket chains involved are refusing to say whether they had fewer customers on Saturday.

Imam Abdul-Jabbar van de Ven told the newspaper that "Gaza is a live issue, even more than Iraq and Afghanistan". The radical Dutch convert, who once said on TV he wished Allah would give Party for Freedom (PVV) MP Geert Wilders a deadly cancer, added: "Youngsters talk openly about Jihad. In recent days, Al Qaida will have won a good many new recruits."

Another newspaper, Algemeen Dagblad, yesterday interviewed a Rotterdam youth worker, Mohammed Tachi, who compared the situation in Rotterdam with Gaza. "The Moroccans in Rotterdam also feel like they are living in an occupied area. At least 70 percent of the Moroccans in this city feel like this. They are frisked more often than others, are more often the victims of the police," according to Tachi, who recently organised a demonstration against Israel. "These people feel the victims of an indirect war that the police are waging against them."

the whole concept of multiculturalism is stupid and doomed to fail. actually the only times in australias history that this policy has worked is when it has failed. the only cases of immigrants coming to australia having a positive influence is when they have integrated into the australian culture, the opposite of the multicultural policy.

we cant have multiple distinct cultures in a democratic system with the rule of law, its smacking stupid. But this is what we are taught. Differences can only be acceptable if they lie within the strict boundries of democracy, I cant live alongside a facist or an islamist or a communist peacefully, I cant respect someone who wants to take away my freedom, the only defense we have against these people is to keep them out. Winston Smith once said in either '85 or '84 that freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. i dont subscribe to the idea that multiculturalism is a good thing, nor that to be a good person i have to pretend that it is a good thing.

mozzaok wrote on May 25^th, 2009 at 12:59am:

I love multiculturalism. I love the fact that we can learn about other people, and start to recognise their similiarities, not just their differences. I love that kids can grow up respecting other cultures, not thinking they must denigrate or stereotype them as inferior. I love the fact that we can finally try to live a principle of brotherhood that so many preach, but so few practice.

I love old fools like you getting expansive about their generous endorsement of a one-way street...




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Blind passenger hounded off bus because of his dog By Paul Cassell June 03, 2009 A driver told a blind cancer sufferer to get off his bus when a woman and her children became hysterical at the sight of his guide dog. George Herridge, 71, told how the mum flew into a rage and shouted at him in a foreign language. A passenger explained she wanted him to get off the bus during the incident on May 20. ... He is unsure what has provoked outbursts but said he thinks some have come from Asian people and that it may be due to religious or cultural differences.

Buddhist, please let it be Buddhists, please...  Or Shintoists, Taoists, anythng! I want to love to recognse similarities with you-know-who... (wink, wink)

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But no. It is a cruel world...



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If the people who were upset were Muslim  Aaaarrrrghhhh!!... they consider dogs to be ritually unclean. Some may have them as pets but keep them in a separate living area. Anything coming into contact with its saliva, such as clothes, must be washed seven times if they intend to pray in those clothes. ... Drivers have been re-instructed to convey the blind and the bus company has sought advice from the Royal National Institute for the Blind and hopes to speak with Muslim  Aaaarrrrghhhh!!... leaders. As part of a Muslim Council of Britain project, Mufti Zubair Butt (I say!. ed), Shar’ia advisor to Muslim Spiritual Care Provision in the NHS  (WTF!!! ed), admitted Muslims Aaaarrrrghhhh!!... “require some education” on guide dogs. In response to concerns raised about guide dogs in mid-2008, he said: “It is important that one does not impose one’s own understanding upon others, but one shows understanding and compassion for others, their needs and their views, especially in an open communal space and in a country where Muslims Aaaarrrrghhhh!!... are living as a minority.”

What the Mohammedan spokesthingy means is that come the revolution...  I mean the numerical superiority of Muslms  Aaaarrrrghhhh!!... the blind will not get off so lightly for offendng their sensibilities. Lucky for Mr Herridge that the Muslims Aaaarrrrghhhh!!... are still in a minority in Reading.


The fvucking cheek. (Can I say that, Mozz,  in a caring and inclusive tone of voice?)

Australia should make a list of what immigrants must agree to.

After all many Australian’s residents fought for current privileges even right to wear bikini was won, so we should fight for it and if anybody comes here should accept our way of life, not slowly impose some cancer like crap.

Why?  As long as we have this stupid policy, they'll say they agree and go on and do what they like anyway.

Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2009 at 3:26pm:

Why?  As long as we have this stupid policy, they'll say they agree and go on and do what they like anyway.

There would have to be some mechanism to make it unattractive.

Yes its called sending them back home.

DEPORTATION.
and
Revocation of Citizenship.

Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2009 at 7:06pm:

Yes its called sending them back home. DEPORTATION. and Revocation of Citizenship.

And citizens who cannot be simply sent home can be found alternative destination, kind of forced migration.

I love how, despite the fact that we have entered an epoch of "tolerance" and "racial diversity", and despite the spectacular claims of the most ardent multiculturalists (such as that multiculturalism allows us to become more erudite on the ways of the rest of the world), that people are now bestowed with seemingly less knowledge about the rest of the world than when our societies were basically homogeneous. I remember reading about how in the 1910's school children were expected to know about what the Holy Roman Empire was. Do you think Australia needs a massive infusion of German settlers to teach us about this now? ::)

I also like how multiculturalists assume that a bunch of poor, uneducated immigrants are going to arrive on our shores with a curator's knowledge of the civilizations (that they obviously weren't that fond for in the first place; at least in terms of the socioeconomic conditions that were set for them there) from which they have fled. Or that.. ethnic food can only be prepared by ethnic people. If a non-italian tried to make a pizza, he would spontaneously combust.  This is the general idea posited by multiculturalists. Multiculturalism to them is just a promenade (or a food court) of ethnic restaurants. Watch how any multiculturalist reflexively (and aggrievedly) brings up food the moment multiculturalism is criticized. Multiculturalism is just fluff for idiots. The countries from which we are supposed to be desirous of letting in their huddled millions are laughing like crazy at us right now.


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its only the xenophobic old farts who oppose it ,and thankfully they're a dying breed.

I'm sorry, but the opponents to a movement as contrived as multiculturalism are not a dying breed at all. White people have just been scared into submission by an elite minority of idiot cosmopolitans and business leaders seeking cheap labor. Can you imagine what is going to happen to your beloved termite in the woodworks of western civilization when St. George finally returns to slay the dragon? The charade can only continue so long as the people are well fed and boarded up in communities where they don't have to experience "multiculturalism" directly. The elite minority that has betrayed its own people and its roots, has spat on the antecedents of a beautiful culture and has put the interests of hostile foreigners before that of its own flesh and blood will meet its comeuppance.

Here is a product of multiculturalism ...........



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Street thugs in Harris Park, in Sydney's west, were violently attacking elderly white women for a number of years before shifting their focus to Indians, says a NSW politician who raised the problem of violence in the suburb in State Parliament two years ago. Gordon Moyes, a member of the NSW upper house, said he understood Indian students' rage at being "picked on", but believed the problem of street crime in Harris Park had gone unaddressed for years. Meanwhile local businesses have expressed fears that Harris Park - a "sister shopping area" to nearby Parramatta - could turn into a "ghost town" as a result of the unruly protests and street violence. Mr Moyes, a Christian Democrats MP, said he first became aware of violent street crime in Harris Park a number of years ago when, as head of Wesley Mission, he found his workers were repeatedly robbed while helping people in the area."I found that over a period of time many elderly Anglo-Saxon women were attacked and robbed and had their purses snatched and phones stolen," he said. He said the attacks were mainly carried out by young Middle-Eastern men."It was mainly street crime but it was street crime with threats, they were very aggressive. And there were concerns that police weren't around at the time when they were needed." He raised the issue in Parliament in 2007, questioning the "inability of police to contain" the crime, and called for more police patrols. "What has happened over the last few years is that a number of Indians students, attracted by fairly cheap accommodation, have come into the area," he said. "The target - always the soft targets - moved from elderly people walking on the street to Indian students with laptops. I think elderly 'Anglos' became more cautious in venturing out, and the target shifted to another group."

middle eastern thugs beating up essentially defenseless indians.

Where is the slow sarcastic handclap for multicultural supporters ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 12:26pm:

Here is a product of multiculturalism ........... Quote: Street thugs in Harris Park, in Sydney's west, were violently attacking elderly white women for a number of years before shifting their focus to Indians, says a NSW politician who raised the problem of violence in the suburb in State Parliament two years ago. ...

I wander, why two years went without any improvement?
Almost looks that Police didn't care.

On the other hand, maybe now when Indian students got the Government attention things might improve.

I hope Police simply don't ask thugs not to attack Indian students, which would put pressure back on elderly women.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 12:26pm:

middle eastern thugs beating up essentially defenseless indians. Where is the slow sarcastic handclap for multicultural supporters ?

Personally, i support [true] multiculturalism in societies.

What i do not tolerate, is criminals, or those who promulgate a violent, supremacist philosophy, masquerading as a 'culture',
....and then insisting that others must respect them.

I don't respect liars, deceivers, and violent thugs.





http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg

“Slay those who insult Islam”
“Behead those who insult Islam”
“Massacre those who insult Islam”
“Butcher those who mock Islam”
“Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way”
“Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way”
“Exterminate those who slander Islam”
“Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer”
“Islam will dominate the world”
“Freedom go to hell”
“Europe take some lessons from 9/11”
“Be prepared for the real Holocaust”
“BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders”




And, i think that we should punish these liars, deceivers, and violent thugs,
in accordance with the dictates of their own 'laws'.


THE KORAN....

Advice on how to deal with those who stir up sedition in the society, in which they live...

"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time:
They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)"
Koran 33.61

Happy wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 12:38pm:

I hope Police simply don't ask thugs not to attack Indian students, which would put pressure back on elderly women.

Alright Australia... you have very much asked for it... It's time to bring in the little super star

Happy wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 12:38pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 10th, 2009 at 12:26pm: Here is a product of multiculturalism ........... Quote: Street thugs in Harris Park, in Sydney's west, were violently attacking elderly white women for a number of years before shifting their focus to Indians, says a NSW politician who raised the problem of violence in the suburb in State Parliament two years ago. ... I w[o]nder, why two years went without any improvement? Almost looks that Police didn't care. On the other hand, maybe now when Indian students got the Government attention things might improve. I hope Police simply don't ask thugs not to attack Indian students, which would put pressure back on elderly women.

That is a very good point, happy.





What God respects, in men....
....righteous judgement against those who do wickedness, against those who oppress those weaker than themselves.

Psalms 82:1
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2  How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3  Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4  Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.





There is no peace, without justice.

There is no justice, without free and open TRUTH.



Why does this society hate TRUTH???

mozzaok wrote on May 25^th, 2009 at 12:59am:

I love multiculturalism. I love the fact that we can learn about other people, and start to recognise their similiarities, not just their differences. I love that kids can grow up respecting other cultures, not thinking they must denigrate or stereotype them as inferior. I love the fact that we can finally try to live a principle of brotherhood that so many preach, but so few practice.

Not something Sven can say:

Sadly, in Landskrona the other day, an elderly couple parking their car made the mistake of attracting the attention of a young man of a certain, only vaguely hinted at, religion-of-peacey persuasion. He beat the 71-year old man brutally, and the 78-year old woman to death.

The killing has shocked the town. The leaders of four local Muslim associations held a press conference to deplore the "accident" and warn that it could "cause xenophobia". Indeed. That's the real news angle here:

Sweden: Muslim Community Fears Violence After Attack On Elderly Couple

That's the ticket: A purely hypothetical outbreak of violent attacks on Muslims always trumps actual violent attacks on non-Muslims. In a Tim Blair reader's note-perfect parody of a Guardian headline after the 2005 London Tube bombings:

British Muslims Fear Repercussions Over Tomorrow's Train Bombing

But, alas, this is a world beyond parody.



Mozz, the host culture ('you') loving multiculturalism and basking in its imagined warm glow is NOT enough.

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I love multiculturalism. I love the fact that we can learn about other people, and start to recognise their similiarities, not just their differences. I love that kids can grow up respecting other cultures, not thinking they must denigrate or stereotype them as inferior. I love the fact that we can finally try to live a principle of brotherhood that so many preach, but so few practice.

What a smacking crock...
None of that is Multiculturalism nor does any of that require Multiculturalism.
It's a flawed divisive social policy that promotes disharmony within societies as has been proven in studies by that paragon socialist Dr Robert Putnam.  much to his surprise and displeasure.
Wake up Mozz.

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But, alas, this is a world beyond parody.

I remember that awesome Theodore Dalrymple quote.

"In today's world, satire is prophecy."

It's why I don't care about political humor anymore.

aikmann4 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 6:30pm:

Quote: But, alas, this is a world beyond parody. I remember that awesome Theodore Dalrymple quote. "In today's world, satire is prophecy." It's why I don't care about political humor anymore.

Indeed.

"British Muslims Fear Repercussions Over Tomorrow's Train Bombing"

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the only cases of immigrants coming to australia having a positive influence is when they have integrated into the australian culture, the opposite of the multicultural policy.

White Australian culture is based on immigration, both free and forced.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

Quote: the only cases of immigrants coming to australia having a positive influence is when they have integrated into the australian culture, the opposite of the multicultural policy. White Australian culture is based on immigration, both free and forced.

You are missing the point.

It does have merit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewoVVb8RXw4

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

Quote: the only cases of immigrants coming to australia having a positive influence is when they have integrated into the australian culture, the opposite of the multicultural policy. White Australian culture is based on immigration, both free and forced.

Where did pink Australians came from?

No, I'm not. I addressed the error of that sentence.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 6:58pm:

No, I'm not. I addressed the error of that sentence.

The point was not immigration but contribution. Positive constribution by migration, including reforms on a great scale,  comes  from assimilated migrants.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 6:58pm:

No, I'm not. I addressed the error of that sentence.

Which one?

Soren wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 7:10pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 16th, 2010 at 6:58pm: No, I'm not. I addressed the error of that sentence. The point was not immigration but contribution. Positive constribution by migration, including reforms on a great scale,  comes  from assimilated migrants.

I agree with that.

Multiculturalism has nothing to do with Assimilation...

We've been told that we're a "nation of immigrants" and have no reason to want to maintain our culture as we see fit because we "don't have one" for ages now (particularly by Aboriginals and non-white immigrants).  But why is this relevant even if it was true? Why can't a nation get to a point in its history where it can eventually decide to define itself however it wishes, and thus, the nature of the individuals who should be allowed to arrive in it, if they even should be allowed to arrive in it?

Imperium, the truth is always relevant, isn't it?


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Why can't a nation get to a point in its history where it can eventually decide to define itself however it wishes, and thus, the nature of the individuals who should be allowed to arrive in it, if they even should be allowed to arrive in it?

How would you define Australia or, more accurately, the Australian culture?

Right, I'm getting sick of this. I had typed up more than 3/4th of my response to you and the Ozpol site locked up on me. I think there's a problem with my browser.


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Imperium, the truth is always relevant, isn't it?

If it was true (and don't act like there's no differentiation to be made between an immigrant, a pioneer and a conqueror) it does not necessarily imply that it has relevance in the argument described. If a nation is a nation of immigrants, can such a nation not decide it does not want to be a "nation of immigrants" anymore? Can it not become a nation of natives? If a nation was created by immigration, why does that mean it can't choose to restrict immigration, or halt it completely? The "nation of immigrants" argument is used invariably to argue against these things; I'm just saying that it does not necessarily have to follow that because a nation is a "nation of immigrants!!!", therefore, for some reason or another, it must support immigration in all its forms, whenever it should occur. One does not have to mean the other, as much as we're browbeaten with the idea that it does.


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How would you define Australia or, more accurately, the Australian culture?

I'm just saying that a people can, or should at least be allowed to, define themselves and the territories that they inhabit according to how they wish. That's controversial now though, isn't it?

That's what I'm asking. How do you wish to define Australia? I like immigration. I like multiculturalism. I couldn't possibly care less if an immigrant is black, white, Jewish , Muslim or atheist. None of these things make someone less Australian or less able to contribute positively to the advancement of our country than you or I.

Do you have a problem with white European immigration?

So what islamists contributed to Australia?

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So what islamists contributed to Australia?

Every muslim in Australia who pays taxes and votes contributes to Australia. No? How about the Afghani cameleers from the C19th?

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That's what I'm asking. How do you wish to define Australia?

"Australia", like all nations, is defined by a majority consensus. However, this does not necessarily mean that consensus cannot be changed -- a nation or a people that chooses to remain in statis would ultimately find itself destroyed, and there are many examples of this in history actually occuring. Obviously I object to multiculturalism and multiracialism because I consider them to be deleterious social policies that largely have been forced upon the people as a whole. I would like to see them done away with. I don't really think, deep down, Australians really like them as policies; many have a very shallow conception of them to begin with, many have not really been exposed to the other side (as is forbidden by our masters), and many simply say nothing openly because they are terrified.


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Do you have a problem with white European immigration?

When it comes to immigration I think that largely only "white European immigration" should be considered. Does that mean that I don't have a problem with it in any possible situation, juncture or instance? No.

Imperium, you avoided the question again.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 8:33pm:

Imperium, you avoided the question again.

No I didn't.

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"Australia", like all nations, is defined by a majority consensus.

I can't give you a massive list of what I think makes up "Australia" or what the general consensus of what "Australia" is in every single possible way. I neither can recall everything nor (obviously) know everything. The answer to that question is best given that the general link that everybody perceives to be at the core of "Australia" arose from a consensus amongst its inhabitants; Australia is defined by what the majority of Australians think and wish it to be! There's nothing more to it than that.

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Why can't a nation get to a point in its history where it can eventually decide to define itself however it wishes, and thus, the nature of the individuals who should be allowed to arrive in it, if they even should be allowed to arrive in it?

This was your original point, right? You and I are probably at opposite extremes of the spectrum when it comes to Australia's current and ideal future identity. I'm much more concerned with the character and need of the potential immigrant than superficial ideals of skin colour or race.

Australia is built on racist policies. I'd hope in a comparatively enlightened time such as this, we'd be able to think a little differently.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 7:48pm:

Imperium, the truth is always relevant, isn't it? Quote: Why can't a nation get to a point in its history where it can eventually decide to define itself however it wishes, and thus, the nature of the individuals who should be allowed to arrive in it, if they even should be allowed to arrive in it? How would you define Australia or, more accurately, the Australian culture?

What? You don't know who you are??
And you need others to tell you??

Where did I ask for Imperium to tell me who I am?

Seems to me what you want for Australia is a fractured and disharmonious society based on airy fairy thoughts that don't prove to be the reality.

Grendel, do you think forced assimilation creates harmony?

nothing wrong with Assimilation or Integration as settlement policies.
You aren't forced to assimilate anyway...  it is your choice to migrate or not.  if you don't like the policy...  don't migrate.

As for the furphy of being forced to FORGET your past...  just how pray tell is that achieved some new amnesiac drug or a large blow with a hammer to the head perhaps?

Grendel, I consider myself truly lucky to be an Australian. I love my country and understand that you do too. I cannot listen to the Australian anthem without getting a lump in my throat, especially the part that says:

For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share
With courage let us all combine
To advance Australia fair.

I think the difference between you and I is that I'd like everyone to share the freedoms we enjoy. When I hear of women and children being raped and slaughtered I'd like to bring them to safety. I'm not sre if you have children, but can you imagine how horrifying it would be to have them starve to death or blown to pieces in front of you? That's a daily reality for so many people - how can we blame them for wanting a better life in our great country? What do we lose by sharing what we have in abundance?

No.
The difference is incompatible societies.
We are not combining in any real and meaningful harmonious way. that's why we have enclaves and what you realy look to is Integration or Assimilation because Multiculti isn't about combining in any true sense.  it is about separation and disharmony.  Putnam to his surprise and displeasure found that out through a 5 year study of the effects of diversity policy on a society.
Let other nations and societies find their own peace and values, after all that is why the Islamic world is up in arms...  outside interference.
if they want our freedoms and the safety of our way of life...  let them embrace it and not seek to change it or stay apart from it.

We can celebrate diversity without it affecting harmony. How do you expect someone to integrate effectively when they're discriminated against because of their appearance?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 11:48am:

We can celebrate diversity without it affecting harmony. How do you expect someone to integrate effectively when they're discriminated against because of their appearance?

But does encouraging otherness advance the cause of integration?[/quote]
To rephrase...

How does encouraging otherness advance the cause of national unity?

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We can celebrate diversity without it affecting harmony. How do you expect someone to integrate effectively when they're discriminated against because of their appearance?

Yes under assimilation or integration but not under Multiculti AA.  The studies have shown that to be a false promise.  Anecdotally, those of us at the multiculti coalface know this to be untrue.

Do you discriminate?  I don't?  My friends don't?  Do yours?  Again you bring up a furphy.  IMO Australia is one of the most tolerant and non-racist countries in the world.

But under Multiculti our society is under threat and the cracks grow bigger every day.

Multiculti is not an integrationist or assimilationist policy H.

Grendel, I see discrimination all the time here in Sydney. My best friend converted to Islam and was surrounded by a group of teenagers that tried to rip her scarf off. That's just one incident - I could write a book about all the cases of discrimination that my friends have experienced.

Does your idea of assimilation allow people to practice their religion as they see fit?

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How do you expect someone to integrate effectively when they're discriminated against because of their appearance?

Do you ever wonder that maybe, according to you, if people do tend to fasten onto things that you consider so superficial like appearence (as if if race was just that), there could be a deeper, underlying reason for why they do this?

I agree with Grendel at the same time; White societies have historically always been the most tolerant, Australia included. I've read somewhere that White people may have the weakest sense of group-identity out of all the major population groups while at the same time possess the strongest individualist streak. I find it funny that people talk about racism as if it was a prevaling orthodoxy espoused by the highest offices and government officials here, yet at the same time, we're the only people who construct byzantine (and obviously discriminatory) "anti-discrimination" legislation, inundate ourselves with third-worlders and act like their presence here is an enrichment, panegyrize the nearly non-existent achievements of certain other groups at every possible opportunity and flagellate ourselves as intrinsically wicked. I don't see Nigerians, Malaysians or Mexicans doing any of this.

Freedom of religion is a given over most if not all the Western world...  unlike that of Islamic states.

Can Muslims live in truly secular societies where religious freedoms are allowed? Or do they need to form enclaves?

Malaysia is an Islamic state, in that Islam is the official religion of the country. Religious freedom is allowed there.

I agree that muslims form enclaves and it's less than ideal, but I also know it's - at least in part - a defence mechanism. If you want to understand muslims, interact with them. I'd be willing to bet they'd embrace your friendship.

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Do you ever wonder that maybe, according to you, if people do tend to fasten onto things that you consider so superficial like appearence (as if if race was just that), there could be a deeper, underlying reason for why they do this?

Everybody has their reasons for things, Imperium. It doesn't mean that I have to agree with them.


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White societies have historically always been the most tolerant, Australia included.

That's absolute bullshit and I'm surprised you don't know it.


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we're the only people who construct byzantine (and obviously discriminatory) "anti-discrimination" legislation, inundate ourselves with third-worlders and act like their presence here is an enrichment

I do think that being in the position to offer someone a chance at a better life is enriching.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 11:57am:

But does encouraging otherness advance the cause of integration?

To rephrase...

How does encouraging otherness advance the cause of national unity?

aikmann4 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 12:22pm:

White societies have historically always been the most tolerant, Australia included.

Would you say that German society in the 20th century could be characterised as tolerant?

How many European nations of the 20th century would be characterised as tolerant?

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How many European nations of the 20th century would be characterised as tolerant?

Stack up all the non-European societies that have made support for things like pluralism, diversity and multiculturalism, mass-immigration, anti-discrimination, the social and material progression of the outgroup (regardless of how hostile) and homosexual rights so strongly, official policy or even articles of religious faith, vs the European and European derived ones that have, over the last one hundred years. It isn't hard after doing this to support my assertion.

aikmann4 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 1:00pm:

Quote: How many European nations of the 20th century would be characterised as tolerant? Stack up all the non-European societies that have made support for things like pluralism, diversity and multiculturalism, mass-immigration, anti-discrimination, the social and material progression of the outgroup (regardless of how hostile) and homosexual rights so strongly, official policy or even articles of religious faith, vs the European and European derived ones that have, over the last one hundred years. It isn't hard after doing this to support my assertion.

More like the last 50 years or since WW2.

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How does encouraging otherness advance the cause of national unity?

I'm not encouraging 'otherness'. I'm supporting the rights of Australian citizens to live how they see fit, as long as it's within the boundaries of the law.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 1:34pm:

Quote: How does encouraging otherness advance the cause of national unity? I'm not encouraging 'otherness'. I'm supporting the rights of Australian citizens to live how they see fit, as long as it's within the boundaries of the law.

Sorry, I am suggesting multiculturalism is encouraging otherness, not you personally.

Rephrasing again :

How does multiculturalism, insofar as it encourages otherness, advance the cause of national unity?

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How does multiculturalism, insofar as it encourages otherness, advance the cause of national unity?

Because it encourages tolerance and acceptance of others, thus reducing conflict and prejudice, which are forces that mitigate against unity. It enables us to work out our differences and create strategies to overcome them, which is a good skill to have for international relationships - which we need. We're part of a bigger world; multiculturalism helps us appreciate that.

good grief..


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Malaysia is an Islamic state, in that Islam is the official religion of the country. Religious freedom is allowed there. I agree that muslims form enclaves and it's less than ideal, but I also know it's - at least in part - a defence mechanism. If you want to understand muslims, interact with them. I'd be willing to bet they'd embrace your friendship.

Puhlease don't make me laugh, Malaysia is a racist Muslim country.  Didn't you know?  BTW I know quite a few Muslims, had some as neighbours for many years.



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Because it encourages tolerance and acceptance of others, thus reducing conflict and prejudice, which are forces that mitigate against unity. It enables us to work out our differences and create strategies to overcome them, which is a good skill to have for international relationships - which we need. We're part of a bigger world; multiculturalism helps us appreciate that.

that is a load of mamby pamby bullshit.  Tolerance for starters is NOT acceptance and here in Australia it is a one way street anyway.  We give they take.

One more time...  it has been proven through studies that diversity policy acts against social harmony, creates disunity and insularism.

Good manners encourages tolerance and acceptance NOT Multiculturalism.
Education creates understanding of the wider world and other cultures.  there is no need for a divisive flawed policy such as Multiculti.

As for obeying the laws why are certain ethnic groups so overrepresented in our penal system?  Certainly it seems they don't obey our laws.  As for that being a Multiculti requisite, obviously it is a failure and I also just mentioned that now the legal elites are thinking of changing out laws to fit in with different cultures...   ::)  see "what a crock."

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Puhlease don't make me laugh, Malaysia is a racist Muslim country.  Didn't you know?  BTW I know quite a few Muslims, had some as neighbours for many years.

My mother lives in Penang and according to her, it's very tolerant. On my numerous trips to visit her, I've found the same. I guess you know better though.

Well maybe I do.

All the Malaysians I worked with are.
Dr. Mahatir Mohamed is.
His government was.

But hey you obviously won't and don't believe me...  you who condemn Australians...

Racism
Still rife in Malaysia.
First survey in 50 years makes dismal reading. Baradan Kuppusamy. Asia Times.
Mar 26, 2006

Kuala Lumpur - Malaysia's first serious survey of race relations, in 50 years, shows that behind the façade of outward unity and peace, racism runs deep in this multi-ethnic 'melting pot'.

The telephone survey of about 1,200 Malaysians also found that the majority of the various races find comfort and security in their respective ethnicity and not in a common 'Malaysian' identity, as the travel and tourism brochures suggest.

"The findings are not at all surprising," said social scientist Chandra Muzaffar.

"This is partly because ethnic boundaries are real in our society and almost every sphere of public life is linked to ethnicity in one way or another."

The survey, by the independent Merdeka Centre for Opinion Research, also found that negative racial stereotyping was deeply entrenched.

For example, minority Chinese and Indians see the majority Malays, who make up 60 percent of the population of 25 million people, as lazy.

Chinese and Indians, who began migrating here in the early 19th century, make up 26 percent and 8.0 percent of the population, respectively.

It found that more than half the population does not trust each other. For a nation that claims to be a 'melting pot', only eleven percent of the respondents said they had eaten often with friends from other races in the past three months.

Thirty four percent said they have never had a meal with people of other races.

The survey found that 42 percent do not consider themselves Malaysian first, 46 percent say ethnicity is important in voting, 55 percent blame politicians for racial problems and 70 percent would help their own ethnic group first.

According to the survey, 58 percent of Malays, 63 percent of Chinese and 43 percent of Indians polled agreed that "in general, most Malays are lazy."

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Malays, 60 percent of Chinese and 47 percent of Indians agree that "in general, most Chinese are greedy."

Sixty-four percent of Malays, 58 percent of Chinese and 20 percent of Indians agreed that "in general, most Indians cannot be trusted."

The survey, commissioned by the semi-official New Straits Times newspaper and supported by the Friedrich Naumann Foundation, is the first honest look at Malaysian society and the findings have left Malaysians gasping in disbelief at how firmly racism and racial stereotyping has become entrenched and accepted as a way of life.

The Merdeka Centre said the survey "gives an honest picture of the country's situation and inter-racial perception" and warns that extremists can take advantage of inter-racial fears and suspicions in the absence of a meaningful interaction.

The ruling National Front government of Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi works hard to portray the country as an example of multiculturalism where Muslims, Hindus and Christians live together in peace.

But experts have been voicing concern that, increasingly, the communities were drifting apart and polarization of the races and a lack of social unity were on the rise.

They squarely blame the politicians and the country's race-based politics for the sharp rise in racism. The shocking findings have also prompted civil society to demand a ban on all race- based political parties.

"Let us outlaw all Malaysian political parties that restricts membership on grounds of race, religion or sex," said lawyer politician A. Sivanesan who is senior leader in the opposition Democratic Action Party, one of the four registered multi-racial parties in the country.

"It should be written in the constitution that only multi-racial bodies be permitted."

Others say the few multi-racial political parties are weak and unable to grow because of the strong domination of race-based parties over the political system.

"Social problems affect all communities," Sivanesan said. "Poverty, drug and crime are not specific to any one race. All races face the blight."

"What the survey clearly shows is that the various races live peacefully but separately," Sivanesan told IPS.

"Half a century after independence we are further away from knowing each other than when we startedàseparate schools, separate friends, separate lives."

Curiously, the survey showed that many Malaysians had vague ideas, not only of each other's cultures and traditions but also of their own.

Hari Raya Puasa was wrongly perceived as the Malay New Year by 32 per cent of Malays, 84 per cent of Chinese and 45 per cent of Indians --when the festival actually marks the culmination of Ramadan, the holy month of fasting.

Similarly, the Chinese New Year was thought to be a religious festival by 57 percent of Malays, 53 percent of Indians and a whopping 62 percent of Chinese respondents.

Despite the lack of unity, the country has enjoyed long periods of peace except for one race riot in 1969.

And unlike in some neighbouring countries where uniformity is enforced, Malaysia's minorities are not restricted and are free to practice their own cultures and religions and enjoy a vernacular education.

But, the government officially practices a policy of positive discrimination that favours Malays over other races in many areas -- from employment, education, scholarships and business to cheaper housing and assisted savings.

pt1

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 4:21pm:

Quote: Puhlease don't make me laugh, Malaysia is a racist Muslim country.  Didn't you know?  BTW I know quite a few Muslims, had some as neighbours for many years. My mother lives in Penang and according to her, it's very tolerant. On my numerous trips to visit her, I've found the same. I guess you know better though.

Is she white European? Are you?

Multiculturalism is not an idea shared by non-whites in non-white countries. Asia and AFrica are riven by race hatred. Arabs have a frustrated superiority complex. The Jpanese o not belive in multiculturalism for some reason...

Multiculturalim is white hospitality. ANd it is often abused by the guests. Not always, but often. A 1/16 'aborigine' will demand privileges for herself on the basis of 'race'. Muslims, the latest group to revolt against it, demand that others give them speacial treatment.

Multiculturalism has a very good chance of succeeding among peope who share a civilisation, say Europeans. It is not so good when various civilisations are trying to mix because only western civilisation has an inclination for multiculturalism.

pt 2

Private companies must hand over 30 percent of equity to ethnic Malays and a portion of housing and commercial property must be sold to them

These measures, collectively called the New Economic Policy or NEP, were started in 1970 to reduce the yawning economic gap with the Chinese community, which dominates business in this country, as in most of South-east Asia.

Originally designed to last for 20 years it has continued without check, sparking envy and resentment between Malays and non-Malays.

Former Deputy Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim, who was sacked and jailed in 1998, has caused a stir by proposing to reform the political landscape which he says is straining national harmony.

"We need to appeal to the Malays, Chinese and the Indians and the rest that we need to go beyond race-based politics.

"If you continue to harp and support this racial equation, you will never be able to overcome racial divisions," he told supporters at a recent rally.

The government is aware of the deep divide and has taken measures to close the gap.

One experiment in racial integration is the 'Vision Schools' initiative where students share sports fields, assembly halls and canteens, but attend classes conducted in their own languages.

But the initiative is embroiled in controversy mainly because of the fear among Chinese and Indians that the vernacular education system would suffer and erode their identities.

A popular initiative, the national service programme, started in 2004, puts youths of all the races under a single roof.

Students are chosen at random and taken to camps for about three months in the hope that they will learn team work and absorb each other's culture.

But, the experts say racism is too deeply entrenched in official policies and the socio-political system for such 'half-hearted' measures to make impact.

"The survey's findings might be a bitter pill to swallow but it tells us who we really are behind the façade we show the world," said Sivanesan.
Asia Times

ALL OF THIS BACKS UP WHAT I KNOW OF MALAYSIA AND HAVE READ AND HEARD OVER THE YEARS

I NOTE THE SOCIAL MARKERS OF SO-CALLED MULTICULTURALISM AND DIVERSITY POLICY FROM THE ARTICLE.


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The telephone survey of about 1,200 Malaysians also found that the majority of the various races find comfort and security in their respective ethnicity and not in a common 'Malaysian' identity, as the travel and tourism brochures suggest.

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"This is partly because ethnic boundaries are real in our society"

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It found that more than half the population does not trust each other. For a nation that claims to be a 'melting pot', only eleven percent of the respondents said they had eaten often with friends from other races in the past three months. Thirty four percent said they have never had a meal with people of other races.

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The survey found that 42 percent do not consider themselves Malaysian first, 46 percent say ethnicity is important in voting, 55 percent blame politicians for racial problems and 70 percent would help their own ethnic group first.

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But experts have been voicing concern that, increasingly, the communities were drifting apart and polarization of the races and a lack of social unity were on the rise.

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Curiously, the survey showed that many Malaysians had vague ideas, not only of each other's cultures and traditions but also of their own.

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But the initiative is embroiled in controversy mainly because of the fear among Chinese and Indians that the vernacular education system would suffer and erode their identities.

BACK TO THE ARTICLE...  IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT AUSTRALIA AND AUSTRALIANS ARE MUCH LESS RACIST AND HAVE NONE OF THE POLITICALLY AND LEGALLY ENTRENCHED RACISM OF MALAYSIA.

Grendel, thank you. You just proved my point. Malaysia is a country that is overwhelmingly Muslim, yet both Chinese and Indian Buddhists and Hindus are free to practice their religion.


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Is she white European? Are you? Multiculturalism is not an idea shared by non-whites in non-white countries. Asia and AFrica are riven by race hatred. Arabs have a frustrated superiority complex. The Jpanese o not belive in multiculturalism for some reason... Multiculturalim is white hospitality. ANd it is often abused by the guests. Not always, but often. A 1/16 'aborigine' will demand privileges for herself on the basis of 'race'. Muslims, the latest group to revolt against it, demand that others give them speacial treatment. Multiculturalism has a very good chance of succeeding among peope who share a civilisation, say Europeans. It is not so good when various civilisations are trying to mix because only western civilisation has an inclination for multiculturalism.

Soren, yes we're both white and in spite of myself I actually agree with a lot of what you've said here. I'm off to commit seppuku.

PROVED YOUR POINT?????

Now I've heard everything.  ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D

talk about self deluded and living in denial.

BTW I hardly think a country where Christians can be arrested for handing out pamphlets or for "proselytizing" or hindus are harassed and persecuted is hardly a country that can claim it has freedom of religion.

You wrote:


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Freedom of religion is a given over most if not all the Western world...  unlike that of Islamic states.

That's why Malaysia was mentioned, and I think we've proven that non-muslims are allowed to practice their religion freely there.

And where did I condemn Australians?

Regarding Malaysians, Malaysia is a multiracial, multicultural country, but by no means is politically multicultural. Malaysia consists of three major groups; Malaysians, Indians and the Chinese. The Chinese, by far and away, are what is called the 'Market Dominant Minority', as Armenians tend to be in Turkey. A Market Dominant Minority is a minority population of a region that is super successful relative to the majority population of that region.

How the majority population, the far less competitive Malaysians, deal with these gargantuan disparities is a method familiar to anybody who knows anything about Affirmative Action. They simply grant benefits to themselves. The Malaysian population is thus divided into two segments, the "Sons of the Soil" (The Malaysians) and the "Non-Sons of the Soil" (the Indians and the Chinese). Malaysians get something like a 55% quota at Universities, discounts on real-estate and various other racial-spoils, while the Chinese must put their heads down and shut the hell up. While the Malays are indeed a polite and civilized people, those that criticise the "Malay supremacy" get swords waved at them in Parliament by high-ranking officials.

Malaysia, clearly, is a nation by Malaysians, for Malaysians. While it might be multiracial and multicultural, the Chinese and the Indians ultimately are shaken of whatever thoughts they might have of equal representation and rule by their culture and people by a branished scimitar!

http://i39.tinypic.com/6te0so.jpg

Somehow, that isn't sounding too bad. I'd love to wave a traditional European sword at minority politicians in Parliament. ;D

Or you could just sneeze on them..

;)

Would that make them self-loathe or hate me more?

No AA... RACISM not freedom of religion was the topic...


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Re: Multiculturalism is great Reply #64 - Today at 4:21pm Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote Quote: Puhlease don't make me laugh, Malaysia is a racist Muslim country.  Didn't you know?  BTW I know quite a few Muslims, had some as neighbours for many years. My mother lives in Penang and according to her, it's very tolerant. On my numerous trips to visit her, I've found the same. I guess you know better though.

And yes I knew better and proved it.

Or don't you know the difference between race and religion... or is it just that Muslims don't.

Grendel, that came later.

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Would that make them self-loathe or hate me more?

I don't even know anymore :(

Almost forgot...


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Australia is built on racist policies. I'd hope in a comparatively enlightened time such as this, we'd be able to think a little differently.

just one of who knows how many...

Unlike Malaysia our government does not back racism or persecution of religion not even indirectly.

From colonial times, through Federation and the 20th century, the Australian governments policy towards immigrants has been racially discriminatory.

aikmann4 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 5:33pm:

Malaysia, clearly, is a nation by Malaysians, for Malaysians. http://i39.tinypic.com/6te0so.jpg

But like Indonesia or Pakistan or the entire Middle East and Africa, Malaysia is a 'make belief' nation. Nationhood is a European idea and a fairly recent one. It is a direct consequence of temporal power becoming completely dominant in politics.

The United Nations, for example, is so named in order to pretend that, say, Samoa or Malaysia or Upper Volta are as much a nation as France or Spain or Russia. United Countries would make the differences too obvious, so we pretend that they are all nations.

Regardless of whatever they are or whether they are really a 'nation', the region is dominated by those that are part of the Malaysian group, which has made it explicitly clear that they aren't going to have it any other way. It might be multicultural and multiracial, but other groups in the "multi" know who they have to defer to at the end of the day.

aikmann4 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 6:20pm:

Regardless of whatever they are or whether they are really a 'nation', the region is dominated by those that are part of the Malaysian group, which has made it explicitly clear that they aren't going to have it any other way. It might be multicultural and multiracial, but other groups in the "multi" know who they have to defer to at the end of the day.

In other words, the multiculturalism of 'dhimmitude' in the not-necessarily-Muslim kind of way.

It isn't exactly a non-sensible policy from a Malaysian point of view though. There's absolutely no way ethnic Malaysians can compete with the Chinese, who outclass them in every single way. The policies are there so the Malaysians can have a hold over their own region as they see fit, and for that end, the means are evidently working...

aikmann4 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 6:43pm:

It isn't exactly a non-sensible policy from a Malaysian point of view though. There's absolutely no way ethnic Malaysians can compete with the Chinese, who outclass them in every single way. The policies are there so the Malaysians can have a hold over their own region as they see fit, and for that end, the means are evidently working...

Malaysia will have a similar problem to Fiji if and when ethnic Chinese and Indian Malaysians become the majority... That problem being - the end of democracy and the lurching from one kind of dictatorship to another to avert (or as a result of) a race based civil war.

Go multiculturalism...  :D

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 9:43am:

aikmann4 wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 6:43pm: It isn't exactly a non-sensible policy from a Malaysian point of view though. There's absolutely no way ethnic Malaysians can compete with the Chinese, who outclass them in every single way. The policies are there so the Malaysians can have a hold over their own region as they see fit, and for that end, the means are evidently working... Malaysia will have a similar problem to Fiji if and when ethnic Chinese and Indian Malaysians become the majority... That problem being - the end of democracy and the lurching from one kind of dictatorship to another to avert (or as a result of) a race based civil war.

Could this be happening though? I can't possibly see generally high SES Chinese outbreeding generally lower SES Austronesians, though there's obviously a chance with the Indians.


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In 1987, Malays had a TFR of 4.51, Chinese had TFR of 2.25 and Indians had TFR of 2.77

Soren wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 4:40pm:

Multiculturalism has a very good chance of succeeding among peope who share a civilisation, say Europeans. It is not so good when various civilisations are trying to mix because only western civilisation has an inclination for multiculturalism.

Look at that jacket - multiculturalism at work.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWz9MrHskk

Multiculturalism as farce:


Police say they will not drop assault charges against a Turkish man who claims he was performing a traditional dance rather than hitting, kicking and strangling his wife.

Allaetin Can made news around the world when he was charged with assault after a passerby alerted police to what appeared to be a violent fracas with his wife, Elmas.

Can claims he and his wife were performing a vigorous traditional Turkish dance, called kolbasti, outside their kebab shop after a particularly profitable lunch shift.
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The kolbasti dance involves animated moves set to fast-paced Turkish beats, and includes mimicry of hitting, kicking and headlocks.

The case will be heard at Hawera District Court on August 17.





Shoulda done the hakka...

;D

Soren wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 4:40pm:

Multiculturalism is not an idea shared by non-whites in non-white countries. Asia and AFrica are riven by race hatred. Arabs have a frustrated superiority complex. The Jpanese o not belive in multiculturalism for some reason... Multiculturalim is white hospitality. ANd it is often abused by the guests. Not always, but often. A 1/16 'aborigine' will demand privileges for herself on the basis of 'race'. Muslims, the latest group to revolt against it, demand that others give them speacial treatment. Multiculturalism has a very good chance of succeeding among peope who share a civilisation, say Europeans. It is not so good when various civilisations are trying to mix because only western civilisation has an inclination for multiculturalism.

You have got to be kidding. You haven't been out much, have you? There is multiculturalism everywhere.

There are at least 1500 Italian restaurants in Tokyo alone. Apart from that there is a considerable Americn youth culture - well just about everywhere.  

Singapore is probably the most multicultural city in the world.

When I was in Guinea (Conakry), I used to eat out at a Chinese restaurant because it reminded me of home (Australia).

Many parts of Africa are extremely multicultural - for example Indians, South Africans and Chinese in Tanzania.

In Peru, there is a considerable Japanese multicultural element.   In Bolivia, there is a very active Caledonian society founded by my great great grandfather.

The United Arab Emirates, though predominantly Muslim, have considerable numbers of Europeans, and there are many bars and nightclubs.

Your armchair mythology doesn't ring true.

I'd say that Soren has overlooked a huge swath of human history let alone European history. Too bad there's no such reality as a 1/16 aborigine outside of a legal construct. His "white" construct is also equally invalid.

I would opine that there wouldn't be hardly enough 1/16 th's asking for special treatment for Soren to break out into a sweat over. He'd be better off breaking into a sweat about other groups like pensioners, invalids, single mothers etc if he's that way inclined.

As to selected stories about Turks, or what not, Soren, I suppose you also overlooked our daily newspapers for the boisterous goings on here that do not involve any "guest" minorities.  

:D

muso wrote on Aug 10^th, 2010 at 8:39am:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 4:40pm: Multiculturalism is not an idea shared by non-whites in non-white countries. Asia and AFrica are riven by race hatred. Arabs have a frustrated superiority complex. The Jpanese o not belive in multiculturalism for some reason... Multiculturalim is white hospitality. ANd it is often abused by the guests. Not always, but often. A 1/16 'aborigine' will demand privileges for herself on the basis of 'race'. Muslims, the latest group to revolt against it, demand that others give them speacial treatment. Multiculturalism has a very good chance of succeeding among peope who share a civilisation, say Europeans. It is not so good when various civilisations are trying to mix because only western civilisation has an inclination for multiculturalism. You have got to be kidding. You haven't been out much, have you? There is multiculturalism everywhere. There are at least 1500 Italian restaurants in Tokyo alone. Apart from that there is a considerable Americn youth culture - well just about everywhere.   Singapore is probably the most multicultural city in the world. When I was in Guinea (Conakry), I used to eat out at a Chinese restaurant because it reminded me of home (Australia). Many parts of Africa are extremely multicultural - for example Indians, South Africans and Chinese in Tanzania. In Peru, there is a considerable Japanese multicultural element.   In Bolivia, there is a very active Caledonian society founded by my great great grandfather. The United Arab Emirates, though predominantly Muslim, have considerable numbers of Europeans, and there are many bars and nightclubs. Your armchair mythology doesn't ring true.

This is lovely. The power of renaming is indeed great.  Let's therefore rename the Bristish Empire and call it the British Multicultural Embrace. Europe didn't so much colonise the rest of the world but brought it multiculturalism.
Blacks were taken to the Americas with future cajun restaurants in mind. The British came to AUstralia to bring the joys of porrige and multiculturalism to the uncomprehending and dreadfully monocultural prinmitives.

Cajun food comes from the old French colonies which were purchased by the fledgling US of A for a bargain basement price from Napolean. It had some other influences of course, but largely French.

Cajun is just the homestyle version of Creole cooking.

I must have missed the bit about the Italian colonisation of Japan though. I bow to your superior knowledge, Soren san.

I don't get your bit about European or British influences not being muticultural. Of course they are.

Nothing wrong with having many different races and cultures in a scoiety, but the numbers need to be within reason.  Once the numbers of any one group grow, they forget their place.  'Other' cultures would do well to remember that they are guests, and behave accordingly.  

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 10:20am:

Cajun food comes from the old French colonies which were purchased by the fledgling US of A for a bargain basement price from Napolean. It had some other influences of course, but largely French. Cajun is just the homestyle version of Creole cooking. I must have missed the bit about the Italian colonisation of Japan though. I bow to your superior knowledge, Soren san. I don't get your bit about European or British influences not being muticultural. Of course they are.

Oh, joy.  Everything is multiculturalism then.

Not wanting multiculturalism is just a matter of having a delicate digestive system. Antacid all 'tround for world peace!! Yeah!

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 8:24am:

I'd say that Soren has overlooked a huge swath of human history let alone European history. Too bad there's no such reality as a 1/16 aborigine outside of a legal construct. His "white" construct is also equally invalid. :D

Give us some examples, pal, don't be all mysterious.

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 11:00am:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 8:24am: I'd say that Soren has overlooked a huge swath of human history let alone European history. Too bad there's no such reality as a 1/16 aborigine outside of a legal construct. His "white" construct is also equally invalid. :D Give us some examples, pal, don't be all mysterious.

It's just ziggy on his 'there's no such thing as race' horse again.

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 10:53am:

muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:20am: Cajun food comes from the old French colonies which were purchased by the fledgling US of A for a bargain basement price from Napolean. It had some other influences of course, but largely French. Cajun is just the homestyle version of Creole cooking. I must have missed the bit about the Italian colonisation of Japan though. I bow to your superior knowledge, Soren san. I don't get your bit about European or British influences not being muticultural. Of course they are. Oh, joy.  Everything is multiculturalism then. Not wanting multiculturalism is just a matter of having a delicate digestive system. Antacid all 'tround for world peace!! Yeah!

How do you define multiculturalism? I just understand it to mean cultural diversity, particularly as applied to food, music, dance and other cultural matters.

So for example, the celebration of the Chinese New Year (dragon dances, rowing etc)  and drinking green beer on St Paddy's day would both be examples of multiculturalism.

I actually went to a multicultural fair a couple of weeks ago and they had Morris dancers.

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 11:14am:

How do you define multiculturalism?

Amir Rehman, 18, shouted racial abuse as 51-year-old Ronald O’Connor walked to a shop for a loaf of bread, near the gates of Lister Park, Manning-ham, last December.

Leeds Crown Court was told Rehman shouted out: “Manningham belongs to Muslims. We don’t want whites. We rule Bradford. We are going to get you out.”

His frightened victim, Ronald O’Connor, tried to get in the shop, but Rehman ran up and stabbed him twice in the upper arm with a four to five-inch bladed knife.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/4555469.Teenager_gets_five_years_for_race_stabbing/

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 11:00am:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 8:24am: I'd say that Soren has overlooked a huge swath of human history let alone European history. Too bad there's no such reality as a 1/16 aborigine outside of a legal construct. His "white" construct is also equally invalid. :D Give us some examples, pal, don't be all mysterious.

Give you examples of what, pal? If you know the slightest about genetics, it doesn't carve up into fractions. And at a genetic level race does not exist. You will find that mainstream science adheres to this view. However, there are those on the fringe that don't subscrib but their argurments have been shot down time and time again.

As to you missing  a huge swath of human history in the context of your ill-informed commentary , you're overlooking Asia and the Middle East, for example. Civilisation and cosmopolitan settlements were there long before  North Western Europe, from where you take your point of departure Soren, got wind of it all.

In fact, Soren, do you use soap? Guess where that came from? Dear me, the Muslims in the Middle East. The Crusaders were on the nose.  ::)

Soren, you point to some Turkish violence as if an odd example like that distinguishes something, it doesn't. Really, are you going to expect anyone to not be aware that murder, rape, robbery, child molestation ,fraud, domestic violence and alcoholism  etc are present in the West?  

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And at a genetic level race does not exist.

So the shared characteristics of a race, like the black skin of a zulu, or the slitty eyes of a japanese don't really exist?


geez....I could have sworn I saw them with my very own eyes....

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 12:26pm:

muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:14am: How do you define multiculturalism? Amir Rehman, 18, shouted racial abuse as 51-year-old Ronald O’Connor walked to a shop for a loaf of bread, near the gates of Lister Park, Manning-ham, last December. Leeds Crown Court was told Rehman shouted out: “Manningham belongs to Muslims. We don’t want whites. We rule Bradford. We are going to get you out.” His frightened victim, Ronald O’Connor, tried to get in the shop, but Rehman ran up and stabbed him twice in the upper arm with a four to five-inch bladed knife. http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/4555469.Teenager_gets_five_years_for_race_stabbing/

And never was there an Englishman who never uttered or did similar. So what? There are fools like that 18 yo in all groups but they hardly speak for everyone. I'd have to ask Soren, can you see that your behaviour on this message board is in any way analagous to the youth in question?

Notwithstanding, you overlook  all sorts of stories of  diverse groups building bridges via information lectures, lunches, fares etc. Most of all, you overlook individual friendships made between people of all ethnic goups.

Soren, you should take off your blinkers , you'll see a lot more, honest.

... wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 1:30pm:

Quote: And at a genetic level race does not exist. So the shared characteristics of a race, like the black skin of a zulu, or the slitty eyes of a japanese don't really exist? geez....I could have sworn I saw them with my very own eyes....

Red heads, brunettes,  tall people , fat people , short people, people having different blood groups exist also. These are shared characteristics.
A Zulu may share same blood group as you or a Japanese.

Why make a fetish out of eyes or skin colour?

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 1:13pm:

As to you missing  a huge swath of human history in the context of your ill-informed commentary , you're overlooking Asia and the Middle East, for example. Civilisation and cosmopolitan settlements were there long before  North Western Europe, from where you take your point of departure Soren, got wind of it all. In fact, Soren, do you use soap? Guess where that came from? Dear me, the Muslims in the Middle East. The Crusaders were on the nose.  ::) Soren, you point to some Turkish violence as if an odd example like that distinguishes something, it doesn't. Really, are you going to expect anyone to not be aware that murder, rape, robbery, child molestation ,fraud, domestic violence and alcoholism  etc are present in the West?

Nonsense.

Galen describes soap-making using lye and prescribes washing to carry away impurities from the body and clothes. According to Galen, the best were German and ones from Gaul were second best. Galen = Greek. The muslims learnt about soap from the Greek speaking people of the Middle East, like they learnt almost everything else from them.


The point is that one culture's celebration of profitable lunchtime trade is another's cause for arrest. Your listing of crimes is neither here nor there. Societies deal with them according to their own customs and laws. 'Own' being the operative word.

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 1:43pm:

... wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:30pm: Quote: And at a genetic level race does not exist. So the shared characteristics of a race, like the black skin of a zulu, or the slitty eyes of a japanese don't really exist? geez....I could have sworn I saw them with my very own eyes.... Red heads, brunettes,  tall people , fat people , short people, people having different blood groups exist also. These are shared characteristics. Why make a fetish out of eyes or skin colour? And a Zulu may share same blood group as you or a Japanese.

So?

Just becasue they don't share 100% of characteristics, or people of other races might share it too, doesn't mean there is no correlation.

I'm not aware of any Zulus with slitty eyes, or Scandinavians with black skin....

... wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 1:30pm:

Quote: And at a genetic level race does not exist. So the shared characteristics of a race, like the black skin of a zulu, or the slitty eyes of a japanese don't really exist? geez....I could have sworn I saw them with my very own eyes....

Australian crows and European crows look alike but they are completely different genetically. Looks don't count for much.

You just gave the example about Zulus. The greatest genetic diversity within homo sapiens sapiens is in Africa. In other words within that one 'race' as you call it there is much more genetical variation  than there is between say typical Danes and typical Japanese. If you want to go on appearance, there are some native Peruvians that you wouldn't be able to tell from Koreans.

There are also some natives from Xinjiang province in China that you wouldn't be able to distinguish from Irish or Scots until they open their mouths to speak.

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You just gave the example about Zulus. The greatest genetic diversity within homo sapiens sapiens is in Africa. In other words within that one 'race' as you call it there is much more genetical variation  than there is between say typical Danes and typical Japanese. If you want to go on appearance, there are some native Peruvians that you wouldn't be able to tell from Koreans.

That's why I specifically said 'zulus' and not 'africans'
We might have got lazy with our 'white race' and 'black race' categories, when there are many races grouped together under these banners.    

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 1:43pm:

... wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:30pm: Quote: And at a genetic level race does not exist. So the shared characteristics of a race, like the black skin of a zulu, or the slitty eyes of a japanese don't really exist? geez....I could have sworn I saw them with my very own eyes.... Red heads, brunettes,  tall people , fat people , short people, people having different blood groups exist also. These are shared characteristics. A Zulu may share same blood group as you or a Japanese. Why make a fetish out of eyes or skin colour?

Not speaking of skin colour only - but how do you ever distinguish between things?

Or do you find yourself walking into walls, not wishing to be dictated to and oppressed by the artificial western valorization of doors over walls in terms of the free movement of human beings?

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 1:57pm:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:43pm: ... wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:30pm: Quote: And at a genetic level race does not exist. So the shared characteristics of a race, like the black skin of a zulu, or the slitty eyes of a japanese don't really exist? geez....I could have sworn I saw them with my very own eyes.... Red heads, brunettes,  tall people , fat people , short people, people having different blood groups exist also. These are shared characteristics. A Zulu may share same blood group as you or a Japanese. Why make a fetish out of eyes or skin colour? Not speaking of skin colour only - but how do you ever distinguish between things?

Easy. Us and them. The tinted races versus the barbarians.

No, hang on - us versus the barbarians. No. Slanty races versus tinted barbarians. Slitty barbarians versus us. Barbarians versus the slats... This is very difficult. Which ones are we again?

Us versus them. Much easier.

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 1:46pm:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:13pm: As to you missing  a huge swath of human history in the context of your ill-informed commentary , you're overlooking Asia and the Middle East, for example. Civilisation and cosmopolitan settlements were there long before  North Western Europe, from where you take your point of departure Soren, got wind of it all. In fact, Soren, do you use soap? Guess where that came from? Dear me, the Muslims in the Middle East. The Crusaders were on the nose.  ::) Soren, you point to some Turkish violence as if an odd example like that distinguishes something, it doesn't. Really, are you going to expect anyone to not be aware that murder, rape, robbery, child molestation ,fraud, domestic violence and alcoholism  etc are present in the West?   Nonsense. Galen describes soap-making using lye and prescribes washing to carry away impurities from the body and clothes. According to Galen, the best were German and ones from Gaul were second best. Galen = Greek. The muslims learnt about soap from the Greek speaking people of the Middle East, like they learnt almost everything else from them. The point is that one culture's celebration of profitable lunchtime trade is another's cause for arrest. Your listing of crimes is neither here nor there. Societies deal with them according to their own customs and laws. 'Own' being the operative word.

I don't think that was the only point you were trying to make in relation to cultures, Soren. Is it the case that all cultures celebratory activities will cause arrest by another? I don't think so, Soren. It's more than likely the vast majority won't.

On the issue of soap:

"Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV. "

http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/19-12-2006/85999-Muslims-0


And the Greeks happened in a vacuum? Get serious, Soren.The Greek civilisation has long been used as a football by Europe but the fact was the Greeks saw Europeans as bar bars- barbarians. Europe embraces Greece as European because it's embarrassing that Greece was so far advanced. If you're going to argue that the Middle East got all their know how from the Greeks , then why overlook the fact that the Europeans are in the same boat- they got it all from the Greeks.

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 2:16pm:

[quote author=soren2 link=1243177151/105#106 date=1281498391][quote author=Ziggy link=1243177151/90#102 date=1281496399] the Greeks saw Europeans as bar bars- barbarians.

Ah - thank you! The Europeans are the barbarians.

I'm glad we've sorted that one out.

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 1:57pm:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:43pm: ... wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:30pm: Quote: And at a genetic level race does not exist. So the shared characteristics of a race, like the black skin of a zulu, or the slitty eyes of a japanese don't really exist? geez....I could have sworn I saw them with my very own eyes.... Red heads, brunettes,  tall people , fat people , short people, people having different blood groups exist also. These are shared characteristics. A Zulu may share same blood group as you or a Japanese. Why make a fetish out of eyes or skin colour? Not speaking of skin colour only - but how do you ever distinguish between things? Or do you find yourself walking into walls, not wishing to be dictated to and oppressed by the artificial western valorization of doors over walls in terms of the free movement of human beings?

Try not to be clever and you might come up with a point, Soren. I can distinguish you and any other human being- except maybe for identical twins. Race, however, is an arbitrary division of humanity. Humanity doesn't come in the distinct packages like you or others might think it does. You can divide on tall, short, or blood group but what's so special about skin colour or some other features? People carry all sorts of traits. You'll probably find most of yours similar to a Zulu. That you may be lighter- meh.

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You can divide on tall, short, or blood group but what's so special about skin colour or some other features?

What's so 'un-special' about skin colour or other obvious differences that you refuse to acknowldege them?  You can pretend you don't notice, but it just makes you look silly.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 2:07pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:57pm: Ziggy wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:43pm: ... wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:30pm: Quote: And at a genetic level race does not exist. So the shared characteristics of a race, like the black skin of a zulu, or the slitty eyes of a japanese don't really exist? geez....I could have sworn I saw them with my very own eyes.... Red heads, brunettes,  tall people , fat people , short people, people having different blood groups exist also. These are shared characteristics. A Zulu may share same blood group as you or a Japanese. Why make a fetish out of eyes or skin colour? Not speaking of skin colour only - but how do you ever distinguish between things? Easy. Us and them. The tinted races versus the barbarians. No, hang on - us versus the barbarians. No. Slanty races versus tinted barbarians. Slitty barbarians versus us. Barbarians versus the slats... This is very difficult. Which ones are we again? Us versus them. Much easier.

Well, you see, I'm just pointing out the arbitrariness of it all. AS to the Greeks, well, that's they way the saw it. Here's another tickle, the English saw the Irish as something entirely foreign and sub-human.

And Soren paints the picture of harmonious Europe sharing civilisation. A look through history will show you that European nations have been at each other's throats.

(BTW I  am from a European background. That's more for Soren when he walks into another Western wall ) ::)

... wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 2:34pm:

Quote: You can divide on tall, short, or blood group but what's so special about skin colour or some other features? What's so 'un-special' about skin colour or other obvious differences that you refuse to acknowldege them?  You can pretend you don't notice, but it just makes you look silly.

Who said I don't notice? I notice the characteristics that you're carrying on about just as much as I notice tall, short, fat, and bad breathed etc. I'm just saying that to think that there's some essential category behind an arbitrary division based on some characteristics is unfounded. What it amounts to is thinking that a person wearing a green hat is essentially different from someone wearing a blue one. That's where you and I part the ways Wesley.

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 2:16pm:

And the Greeks happened in a vacuum? Get serious, Soren.The Greek civilisation has long been used as a football by Europe but the fact was the Greeks saw Europeans as bar bars- barbarians. Europe embraces Greece as European because it's embarrassing that Greece was so far advanced. If you're going to argue that the Middle East got all their know how from the Greeks , then why overlook the fact that the Europeans are in the same boat- they got it all from the Greeks.

The Europeans do not overlook the Greeks for a moment. Grece is regarded as the birthplace of western civilisation. It has never been used as a football.
Waddaya know, even Christianity was written in Greek. The whole of the Eastern Roman Empire spoke Greek. The Muslims burst out of Araby on horseback, dusty and illiterate,  and found a settled, fourishing Greek Christian civilisation to conquer, ending in 1453 with Byzantium (now called Istambul, for some reason...).

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 2:35pm:

That's more for Soren when he walks into another Western wall ) ::)

Ahhhh, spot the joooooo..... distinguish from self..... oohhhh, clever.

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 2:40pm:

... wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 2:34pm: Quote: You can divide on tall, short, or blood group but what's so special about skin colour or some other features? What's so 'un-special' about skin colour or other obvious differences that you refuse to acknowldege them?  You can pretend you don't notice, but it just makes you look silly. Who said I don't notice? I notice the characteristics that you're carrying on about just as much as I notice tall, short, fat, and bad breathed etc. I'm just saying that to think that there's some essential category behind an arbitrary division based on some characteristics is unfounded. What it amounts to is thinking that a person wearing a green hat is essentially different from someone wearing a blue one. That's where you and I part the ways Wesley.

Except that a blue hat can be easily exchanged for a green one.  But you can't change who you are.

... wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 1:55pm:

Quote: You just gave the example about Zulus. The greatest genetic diversity within homo sapiens sapiens is in Africa. In other words within that one 'race' as you call it there is much more genetical variation  than there is between say typical Danes and typical Japanese. If you want to go on appearance, there are some native Peruvians that you wouldn't be able to tell from Koreans. That's why I specifically said 'zulus' and not 'africans' We might have got lazy with our 'white race' and 'black race' categories, when there are many races grouped together under these banners.

Well according to Anthropologists, race is not a scientifically valid biological category.  It might be important as a socially constructed category, I guess in the same way as religions are used, but it has no biological basis.

You can certainly classify people into colour, eye types, hair colour etc, but it doesn't have a scientific basis. That's why you hear the same old thing from people who study humanity - the experts in the field, who say that there is only one race - the human race.  

It's perhaps more useful to talk about ethnicity from the point of view of cultural identity.

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 2:40pm:

... wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 2:34pm: Quote: You can divide on tall, short, or blood group but what's so special about skin colour or some other features? What's so 'un-special' about skin colour or other obvious differences that you refuse to acknowldege them?  You can pretend you don't notice, but it just makes you look silly. Who said I don't notice? I notice the characteristics that you're carrying on about just as much as I notice tall, short, fat, and bad breathed etc. I'm just saying that to think that there's some essential category behind an arbitrary division based on some characteristics is unfounded. What it amounts to is thinking that a person wearing a green hat is essentially different from someone wearing a blue one.

I'm sorry, friend, you're mistaken. As Soren asserts, we need arbitrary categories called races to stop us thinking doors are walls.

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 3:12pm:

The Europeans do not overlook the Greeks for a moment. Grece is regarded as the birthplace of western civilisation. It has never been used as a football. Waddaya know, even Christianity was written in Greek. The whole of the Eastern Roman Empire spoke Greek. The Muslims burst out of Araby on horseback, dusty and illiterate,  and found a settled, fourishing Greek Christian civilisation to conquer, ending in 1453 with Byzantium (now called Istambul, for some reason...).

Did you know that every ailment from psoriasis to poison ivy can be cured with Windex ?  ;D

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:08pm:

... wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:55pm: Quote: You just gave the example about Zulus. The greatest genetic diversity within homo sapiens sapiens is in Africa. In other words within that one 'race' as you call it there is much more genetical variation  than there is between say typical Danes and typical Japanese. If you want to go on appearance, there are some native Peruvians that you wouldn't be able to tell from Koreans. That's why I specifically said 'zulus' and not 'africans' We might have got lazy with our 'white race' and 'black race' categories, when there are many races grouped together under these banners.     Well according to Anthropologists, race is not a scientifically valid biological category.  It might be important as a socially constructed category, I guess in the same way as religions are used, but it has no biological basis. You can certainly classify people into colour, eye types, hair colour etc, but it doesn't have a scientific basis. That's why you hear the same old thing from people who study humanity - the experts in the field, who say that there is only one race - the human race.   It's perhaps more useful to talk about ethnicity from the point of view of cultural identity.

I'd have to see the anthroplogists' workings to see how they arrived at that conclusion.  

... wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:17pm:

muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 4:08pm: ... wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:55pm: Quote: You just gave the example about Zulus. The greatest genetic diversity within homo sapiens sapiens is in Africa. In other words within that one 'race' as you call it there is much more genetical variation  than there is between say typical Danes and typical Japanese. If you want to go on appearance, there are some native Peruvians that you wouldn't be able to tell from Koreans. That's why I specifically said 'zulus' and not 'africans' We might have got lazy with our 'white race' and 'black race' categories, when there are many races grouped together under these banners.     Well according to Anthropologists, race is not a scientifically valid biological category.  It might be important as a socially constructed category, I guess in the same way as religions are used, but it has no biological basis. You can certainly classify people into colour, eye types, hair colour etc, but it doesn't have a scientific basis. That's why you hear the same old thing from people who study humanity - the experts in the field, who say that there is only one race - the human race.   It's perhaps more useful to talk about ethnicity from the point of view of cultural identity. I'd have to see the anthroplogists' workings to see how they arrived at that conclusion.

I know an anthropologist. If you like, I'll ask him.

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:16pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 3:12pm: The Europeans do not overlook the Greeks for a moment. Grece is regarded as the birthplace of western civilisation. It has never been used as a football. Waddaya know, even Christianity was written in Greek. The whole of the Eastern Roman Empire spoke Greek. The Muslims burst out of Araby on horseback, dusty and illiterate,  and found a settled, fourishing Greek Christian civilisation to conquer, ending in 1453 with Byzantium (now called Istambul, for some reason...). Did you know that every ailment from psoriasis to poison ivy can be cured with Windex ?  ;D

Exactly. They use it on the tinted races for bleaching the skin. Most effective.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 4:16pm: Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 3:12pm: The Europeans do not overlook the Greeks for a moment. Grece is regarded as the birthplace of western civilisation. It has never been used as a football. Waddaya know, even Christianity was written in Greek. The whole of the Eastern Roman Empire spoke Greek. The Muslims burst out of Araby on horseback, dusty and illiterate,  and found a settled, fourishing Greek Christian civilisation to conquer, ending in 1453 with Byzantium (now called Istambul, for some reason...). Did you know that every ailment from psoriasis to poison ivy can be cured with Windex ?  ;D Exactly. They use it on the tinted races for bleaching the skin. Most effective.

We are all tinted, except for the Albinos............Let's get 'em!  ;D

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:16pm:

Did you know that every ailment from psoriasis to poison ivy can be cured with Windex ?  ;D

Liar! I gave my car windows the once-over with Windex - but they are still tinted!!!

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

Exactly. They use it on the tinted races for bleaching the skin. Most effective.

It's funny you should say that, but in parts of North Africa, some women use Betnovate cream to lighten the skin.

It's quite a dangerous practice though.

muso wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:10pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 4:29pm: Exactly. They use it on the tinted races for bleaching the skin. Most effective. It's funny you should say that, but in parts of North Africa, some women use Betnovate cream to lighten the skin. It's quite a dangerous practice though.

When will they ever learn? Whitey rules the shop - it's in his DNA.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:24pm:

When will they ever learn? Whitey rules the shop - it's in his DNA.

The weird thing is that while Moroccan brides frantically try to make their skin lighter before a wedding, we have their European counterparts sitting under the solarium trying to get a tan.  :)

muso wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 3:24pm: When will they ever learn? Whitey rules the shop - it's in his DNA. The weird thing is that while Moroccan brides frantically try to make their skin lighter before a wedding, we have their European counterparts sitting under the solarium trying to get a tan.  :)

Despicable apeasers.

muso wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 3:24pm: When will they ever learn? Whitey rules the shop - it's in his DNA. The weird thing is that while Moroccan brides frantically try to make their skin lighter before a wedding, we have their European counterparts sitting under the solarium trying to get a tan.  :)

For Europeans, a tan is a sign of leisure, elsewhere it is a sign of toil.

Soren wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 5:23pm:

muso wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 3:29pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 3:24pm: When will they ever learn? Whitey rules the shop - it's in his DNA. The weird thing is that while Moroccan brides frantically try to make their skin lighter before a wedding, we have their European counterparts sitting under the solarium trying to get a tan.  :) For Europeans, a tan is a sign of leisure, elsewhere it is a sign of toil.

Aha! Very true. So it's the tanned versus the tinted.

TintTans.

Soren wrote on Aug 13^th, 2010 at 10:11am:

TintTans.

Soren,

This link gives an alternative view of multiculturalism:
http://www.uniqlo.jp/uniqlock/

As I said, you seem to look for the negative side all the time. Let the ad run for a while.  ;)

(drool warning)

muso wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 7:58am:

Soren wrote on Aug 13th, 2010 at 10:11am: TintTans. Soren, This link gives an alternative view of multiculturalism: http://www.uniqlo.jp/uniqlock/ As I said, you seem to look for the negative side all the time. Let the ad run for a while.  ;) (drool warning)

Nice one muso....

But do you ever wonder why you never see 'ugly' japanese girls??
Logically there must be SOME..... ;D

Isnt the tint primarilyt the result of long term tan.

muso wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 7:58am:

Soren wrote on Aug 13th, 2010 at 10:11am: TintTans. Soren, This link gives an alternative view of multiculturalism: http://www.uniqlo.jp/uniqlock/ As I said, you seem to look for the negative side all the time. Let the ad run for a while.  ;) (drool warning)

yeah, that's really representative.



Here, the marvels of Australian accent coaching. Makes even Germans lovable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmOeISUYXuI

Glad to see you embracing multiculturalism.

muso wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 8:04pm:

Glad to see you embracing multiculturalism.

With hips like a Lithuanian peasant woman.

muso wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 7:58am:

Soren wrote on Aug 13th, 2010 at 10:11am: TintTans. Soren, This link gives an alternative view of multiculturalism: http://www.uniqlo.jp/uniqlock/ As I said, you seem to look for the negative side all the time. Let the ad run for a while.  ;) (drool warning)

Here's another great example of multiculturalism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLGyykLFTMs

the Benny Hill version of the Ispired by Iceland video I poseted a few weeks ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG92NUXKzZ0&feature=related

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 8:41pm:

muso wrote on Aug 15th, 2010 at 8:04pm: Glad to see you embracing multiculturalism. With hips like a Lithuanian peasant woman.

Like one of these? The one on the left is Lithuanian.

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/tOqatd9pMhL/Ford+Models+Hosts+Supermodel+World+Backstage/7AyeRQo6QgW/Seung-hyun+Kang

The Iceland clip brought back memories. In my youth, I visited the Blue Hole and bathed in it. (but I wore togs)

Dnarever wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 10:54am:

Isnt the tint primarilyt the result of long term tan.

Ah, yes. All those leasured classes, reclining on their yachts and the beaches of Monaco for generations. I guess this explains why Italian fashion designers and ageing movie stars have orange skin.

Imperium might have some more up to date genetic information on this. Imperium?

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 7:20pm:

muso wrote on Aug 15th, 2010 at 7:58am: Soren wrote on Aug 13th, 2010 at 10:11am: TintTans. Soren, This link gives an alternative view of multiculturalism: http://www.uniqlo.jp/uniqlock/ As I said, you seem to look for the negative side all the time. Let the ad run for a while.  ;) (drool warning) yeah, that's really representative. Here, the marvels of Australian accent coaching. Makes even Germans lovable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmOeISUYXuI

Lena beat this girls band to get intgo Eurovision

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Y-sw89qTY

LOL @ all of the above.

Besides thinking that it might actually be T.I.S.M behind those Burkas,
its common knowledge that all women practice the Australian accent and all men practice the American accent,
lets face it (even in a Burka!)
American men are 'Real Men'.
...all Aussie men are drunk losers and Yankee women are skanky hoes.

Thankfully there is an Art Industry that does the reverse of Politics
and puts the Real Men in Australia and American men in Disneyland.

personally, I don't mind having a few beers with some skanky yankee ho at all  ;)

Police around the country are mourning the death of a New South Wales constable who was shot and killed in a drug raid in Sydney last night.

Constable Crews was originally from Glen Innes in northern New South Wales.

He had been a police officer for three years and was last night working for the Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad ('ello, 'ello, 'ello) for which he was training to be a detective.

Philip Nguyen, 55, has been charged with shooting with intent to murder. His face was bruised and swollen and his lawyer asked that a doctor attend to him in jail

Geehad Ghazi, 27, has been charged with possession of an unauthorised firearm.

Quote:

Tensions between two ethnic groups sparked a riot at Christmas Island detention centre in November last year in which 50 people were injured, a Perth court was told. Five Sri Lankan men stand accused of participating in a riot and possessing a weapon. Charges against a sixth man, Ganeshalingam Suntharalingham, were dropped after Magistrate Steven Malley ruled the only evidence against him was inadmissable in court as he did not fully understand he was a suspect when questioned by Australian Federal Police. The charges relate to an incident on November 21 last year when violence erupted at the crowded Christmas Island detention centre. Mark Bonaccorso, who was operations manager at the centre at the time of the riot, told the court on the day of the riot he had been called into work to deal with a small alteration between the two groups. Mr Bonaccorso said he spoke to both ethnic groups in an attempt to soothe tensions. Both groups had assured him the matter was over. Prosecution lawyer Ron Davies told the court the detainees fought each other with wooden sticks, metal bars and torn up trees, and had dismantled a soccer goal to use the metal poles as weapons. The trial continues.

Quote:

A jealous girlfriend who stabbed a teenager twice in the back believing she was having sex with her partner walked free yesterday after being handed a suspended sentence. Mother-of-two Nyibol Lual Manyok, a Sudanese refugee, pleaded guilty earlier this year to causing the girl grievous bodily harm during a party in Balga in October last year. Perth District Court was told Manyok, 22, had been at the party and was searching for her partner, to whom she was pregnant to at the time, when she found him in a car with the victim. Chief Judge Peter Martino said he accepted that Manyok genuinely believed the pair were having intercourse when she discovered them. "You and the victim became involved in an argument that became more and more heated and it involved slapping, punching and pulling the hair of one another," Chief Judge Martino said. "The argument and fight continued for approximately 20 minutes and involved wrestling and assaulting one another. And during the fight you pinned the victim to the ground and stabbed her with a smashed beer bottle on two occasions to the back." The girl had a punctured lung, cuts, scratches and abrasions and stayed in hospital for two days. She still has significant scarring. "While I can understand your anger and hurt at what you believed you observed in the car between your former partner and the victim, it provides absolutely no excuse or justification for causing grievous bodily harm," Chief Judge Martino said. He said the fact Manyok had been in custody for more than 10 months changed the sentence he was going to give. He said her traumatic early life in Africa had resulted in chronic complex psychiatric illnesses, which constituted an impaired mental state. Chief Judge Martino sentenced her to an eight-month jail term, suspended for 18 months. The attack had also caused her to breach a community-based order imposed earlier for obstructing a public officer and assaulting a public officer. Chief Judge Martino re-sentenced her to a 12-month community-based order for those offences. Manyok was issued a violence restraining order banning her from contact with the victim for the rest of her life.

Well there ya have it - refugees are given free reign to stab people with broken bottles without penalty.  Must be part of their culture.

A school in the U.S. is being accused of racial discrimination after suspending a teenage student for coming back from the holidays with her nose pierced.
Ariana Iacono has been suspended by Clayton High School, in North Carolina, twice after being told the stud violates the established dress code.
The 14-year-old, who is a member of the Church of Body Modification, has challenged the suspension, however, claiming it violates her constitutional right to exercise her religion.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1312655/Teenager-suspended-school-nose-stud-claims-religion.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0zjqSSQ5W



Now every kook with bizarre notions is trying to hide behind 'religious freedom'.

I see Multi-Culturalism as a
form of Schizophrenia,
= you are every other nation but your 'self'.

Colonisation is a Bi-Polar experience, you don't know if the Union Jack should come or go??

USA: Self absorbed "me, me, me".



...so which is right?
A: they all are. (all of the above)
...for I'm sure each State can express this, for starters. ;)

Soren wrote on Sep 17^th, 2010 at 9:36am:

A school in the U.S. is being accused of racial discrimination after suspending a teenage student for coming back from the holidays with her nose pierced. Ariana Iacono has been suspended by Clayton High School, in North Carolina, twice after being told the stud violates the established dress code. The 14-year-old, who is a member of the Church of Body Modification, has challenged the suspension, however, claiming it violates her constitutional right to exercise her religion. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1312655/Teenager-suspended-school-nose-stud-claims-religion.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0zjqSSQ5W Now every kook with bizarre notions is trying to hide behind 'religious freedom'.

How dare she ! Religious freedom in the US is only for traditional religious born-again kooks with bizarre notions, such as the Southern Baptists.  

I sometimes think that the Yanks deserve every nuisance legal case that comes up like this.

Good to see that despite years of scientific training, you still can pretend - and take pleasure in pretending - that you cannot make simple distictions.


In "The Analytical Language of  John Wilkins," Borges describes 'a certain Chinese Encyclopedia,' the Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge, in which it is written that animals are divided into:

those that belong to the Emperor,
embalmed ones,
those that are trained,
suckling pigs,
mermaids,
fabulous ones,
stray dogs,
those included in the present classification,
those that tremble as if they were mad,
innumerable ones,
those drawn with a very fine camelhair brush,
others,
those that have just broken a flower vase,
those that from a long way off look like flies.


Since it encompasses all animals, it must be as good as your classifications, no? ANd so with evrything else: kooky is as good as anything else when one is an impeccably cosmopolitan, inclusive and urbane scientist from ... er... rural Queeensland.....

:P

Muslims demand apology for New Zealand minister's joke
September 25, 2010, 12:18 pm

WELLINGTON (AFP) - New Zealand's Islamic community has written to Prime Minister John Key demanding an apology for a joke one of his ministers made about Muslims, the Dominion Post newspaper reported Saturday.

The president of the Federation of Islamic Associations New Zealand, Anwar Ghani, said Muslims were "very upset" about the remarks made in a speech by Building Minister Maurice Williamson.

"We brought it to the notice of the PM saying that what was said was highly inappropriate and the minister should be reprimanded and apologise," Ghani told the newspaper.

Williamson cracked a joke about Muslims and the practice of stoning while giving a speech at a building industry awards ceremony last month.

Ghani said he did not think comments centred on religious intolerance were commonplace in New Zealand, but this issue was "a big problem because it was uttered by someone who is regarded as being responsible and a public figure".

A spokesman for the prime minister confirmed the letter had arrived and was being considered.


This is sharia censorship in action. The 'Muslim community' is upset and everyone is sh!tting themselves.

I mean, if you can't make a joke about Muslims and stoning, what can you mak a joke about??

I say 'stoning', you think 'Muslim'.  They go together. Rather than being upset, the 'Muslim community' should be glad that the rest of us have been learnong about them and their culture.  Topsy-turvy world.

And 'Muslim community' of New Zealand?  What's next? Muslim community of the Vatican???!!??

Where's the 'apostate community' of Riyadh? The 'Pentecostal community' of Yemen? The Catholic Bishop of Mecca?i

You don't know any other tunes do you, old boy?

The White Cliffs of Dover?
If You Knew Susie Like I knew Susie?
Life Is A Barrel of Fun?

Are you alluding to your national ditti, you silly Paki bugger, along the lines of 'If you wanna me to shudup, ten rupee gimme'?

The Federation of Islamic Associations New Zealand (FIANZ) wrote to Key demanding an apology fom Williamson more than a week ago but had not had a response, The Dominion Post reported.

"We brought it to the notice of the PM saying that what was said was highly inappropriate and the minister should be reprimanded and apologise," president Anwar Ghani said.  He says there's been no apology for Mr Williamson, and he needs to be told it's not on to mock a minority.


It's OK to call jews the sons of apes and pigs if you are some hot-for-jihad 'comminity' imam but you can't crack a joke about Muslims and their propensity to still stone people.

You can't mock a minority??? WHat's the smacking point of a minority, then?

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 4:15pm:

Good to see that despite years of scientific training, you still can pretend - and take pleasure in pretending - that you cannot make simple distictions.

On the contrary -  I can easily make a distinction between hypocrisy and non-hypocrisy. I can recognise the stink of hypocrisy only too well.

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2010 at 9:18pm:

Are you alluding to your national ditti, you silly Paki bugger, along the lines of 'If you wanna me to shudup, ten rupee gimme'?

Effende, I'm not sure what currency the Paki buggers use (condoms hopefully), but I accept payment in dollars, thank you very much.

Trying to assimilate by taking bribes only in the local currency? Commendable but your propensity for bakshish is undiminished.
Must do better.

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2010 at 3:27pm:

Trying to assimilate by taking bribes only in the local currency? Commendable but your propensity for bakshish is undiminished. Must do better.

But my dear, dear fellow, my services are offered free of charge. In my experience, it is only the nouveau rich who demand to be paid for everything.

Perhaps this explains why your posts have been rather short on words lately, old boy, although I seem to recall a very droll post from you on linguistics. Marvellous stuff. It could have been a cut-and-paste job, of course, but it showed exemplary skills in reading, a rather lost art these days, I find.

I see your own assimilation has been most successful. I heartily congratulate your efforts at integrating into the local community. I am aware that English can be trying for the best of us, even those for whom it is their first language. As an NESBer, you have made a sterling effort.

Please keep it up, dear boy. Although your spelling of some words could improve, I find it is the intent behind the words that is most important, don't you agree?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Sep 27^th, 2010 at 5:16pm:

Although your spelling of some words could improve

Send rupees for new keyboard, PB. The keyboard has been abused by a bunch of primary schoolers.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Sep 27^th, 2010 at 5:16pm:

. As an NESBer, you have made a sterling effort.

Au contraire, PB, English comes from Danish. If you were ever to actually study English properly as a linguist, you'd know.  The Englishers are all speaking a quaint dialect of Danish/Old High German.

Hmmm the closest extant West Germanic language to Anglosaxon is modern day Frisian. Danish has much more affinity with Norwegian and Swedish than English.

English is a 'pidgin' germanic language that became Latinised from Norman French influences to a much greater extent than other Germanic languages.

By Pidgin, I mean that by the time it became Middle English, it had lost a great deal of its genders and adjectival agreement by virtue of the fact that the earlier form of Old Saxon had a different grammar to Norse and the grammar became simplified.

It's quite a multicultural language really  ;)

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2010 at 9:04pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Sep 27th, 2010 at 5:16pm: . As an NESBer, you have made a sterling effort. Au contraire, PB, English comes from Danish. If you were ever to actually study English properly as a linguist, you'd know.  The Englishers are all speaking a quaint dialect of Danish/Old High German.

My dear boy, coming from a non-English speaking background is nothing to be ashamed of. It's all "multicultural" now, isn't it?

A language is something you are born into, not something you can merely cut-and-paste. I think you would feel more comfortable if you learned to accept your place, my boy.

As a "new Australian," I'm sure there are many good jobs out there for you. Once you have learned to "fit in", as it were, I'm sure you will be made to feel welcome wherever you go.

Keep it up, dear fellow. Where there's a will there's a way!

Thank you. You have guessed correctly, I am well accepted, sometimes embarassingly so, especially by the latest wave of tinted Balts: whenever I find myself walking the streets of areas populated by PB-type chappies like you, many of them spontaneously fall to their knees and beg to be allowed to polish my shoes. I don't let them, of course (but I give them a coin...)

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2010 at 11:10am:

Thank you. You have guessed correctly, I am well accepted, sometimes embarassingly so, especially by the latest wave of tinted Balts: whenever I find myself walking the streets of areas populated by PB-type chappies like you, many of them spontaneously fall to their knees and beg to be allowed to polish my shoes. I don't let them, of course (but I give them a coin...)

My dear fellow, if you wish to assimilate, you will have to learn that grotesque displays of charity are not the protestant way. It might be the custom for good Hindus like yourself, my boy, but we Anglo Saxons find it somewhat distasteful.

Do you understand "distasteful"? It's something that's just not on. I hope I am making myself clear.

If you need me to spell something out, old chap, do not hesitate to ask. I understand how hard it must be for you, and I merely wish to be of assistance.

Do you understand assistance? Me give you. I hope we are perfectly clear, old chap.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Sep 28^th, 2010 at 11:39am:

I hope I am making myself clear.

Make yourself clear?  ;D
You could not make yourself clear even if your life depended on it, you silly Paki bugger (PK).  It is not possible to wring clarity from your muddled, befuddled head.

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2010 at 12:01pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Sep 28th, 2010 at 11:39am: I hope I am making myself clear. Make yourself clear?  ;D You could not make yourself clear even if your life depended on it, you silly Paki bugger (PK).  It is not possible to wring clarity from your muddled, befuddled head.

I must say, I am most impressed with your improvement in grammar and punctuation, dear boy. This is just the sort of thing we are talking about. Full marks to you.

I know we don't issue certificates for assimilation (quite a pity), but I am certain that under the White Australia Policy, your application would be duly processed and approved - with a suitable period of supervision, of course.

Remember, we can't just let anyone in, as I'm sure you'll agree. However, as signatories to the 1951 Convention on Refugees, we do our bit to assist those less fortunate than ourselves. As a refugee to this country, you must be most impressed with our humane treatment of foreigners.

To be honest, most people would rather not have them at all, but the good ones - like yourself - are more than welcome to work, live, and make a valuable contribution to our society. After all, we are in constant need of builders' labourers, factory workers, cane cutters and fruit pickers. Business is booming, dear boy, and there are many opportunities for a good worker like yourself.

If you work hard, apply yourself and learn to fit in, you will be made to feel most welcome, I'm sure.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Sep 28^th, 2010 at 12:50pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2010 at 12:01pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Sep 28th, 2010 at 11:39am: I hope I am making myself clear. Make yourself clear?  ;D You could not make yourself clear even if your life depended on it, you silly Paki bugger (PK).  It is not possible to wring clarity from your muddled, befuddled head. I must say, I am most impressed with your improvement in grammar and punctuation, dear boy. This is just the sort of thing we are talking about. Full marks to you. I know we don't issue certificates for assimilation (quite a pity), but I am certain that under the White Australia Policy, your application would be duly processed and approved - with a suitable period of supervision, of course. Remember, we can't just let anyone in, as I'm sure you'll agree. However, as signatories to the 1951 Convention on Refugees, we do our bit to assist those less fortunate than ourselves. As a refugee to this country, you must be most impressed with our humane treatment of foreigners. To be honest, most people would rather not have them at all, but the good ones - like yourself - are more than welcome to work, live, and make a valuable contribution to our society. After all, we are in constant need of builders' labourers, factory workers, cane cutters and fruit pickers. Business is booming, dear boy, and there are many opportunities for a good worker like yourself. If you work hard, apply yourself and learn to fit in, you will be made to feel most welcome, I'm sure.

I have found a picture of you on the internetz. You are surprisingly light-skinned for a PB, but the rest (beard, sign of what's within) is just as I imagine you.

;D ;D

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/379231/624013.png

I do find the problem with multiculturalism is that foreigners like yourself prefer to communicate with pictures. The written word is clearly on the wane, thanks to the increasing poverty of the English language. I blame the riff-raff they let in these days.

Whatever happened to Shakespeare, Byron, Coleridge, Keats?

Still, a lovely representation of human defecation, my boy. I am certain it will provide the literacy-challenged with hours of amusement - not to mention those who like to indulge in the "lifestyle choice" of scat.

Do you like to indulge, old boy?

As someone who has studied Shakespeare, Byron, Coleridge and Keats .. I still maintain that Soren's post made a rather profound statement.

The old adage ... a picture is worth a thousand words ... must be true after all :).

Hang on .. Karnal .. aren't you the guy who has been posting to me in broken English on another topic??

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1255058889/37#37

Seems you can speak English after all.

Quote:

A West Australian has been charged after four men suffered stab wounds when a day of intermittent violence following South Australia's first Miss Africa pageant erupted into a vicious all-in brawl. Up to one hundred Africans armed with knives, tyre levers, clubs, makeshift batons and a bedpost fought a pitched battle in Adelaide's Bent Street near the Austral Hotel early today. "Clearly they had prepared themselves with weapons in the event that they did come together, which they did," Chief Inspector John Gerlach said. Police eventually broke it up and arrested four men while four others were admitted to hospital with stab wounds. A 21-year-old man was stabbed in the abdomen and arm, a 19-year-old in the chest and stomach, a 19-year-old in the arm and a 20-year-old in the back. "All four did receive surgery and are stable," Inspector Gerlach said. The brawl was the culmination of 24 hours of violent clashes initiated by a fight involving 150 African people on Saturday night as they spilled out of a nightclub in Hindley Street. No injuries or arrests were reported from that initial clash or some smaller skirmishes reported to police in the 24 hours leading up to today's wild brawl. Police believe many of those involved in the violence had travelled from interstate for the Miss Africa beauty pageant in Adelaide on Saturday. Inspector Gerlach praised the officers who responded promptly to the major brawl, saying their intervention had prevented more injuries. "No doubt the management of the incident prevented further injury and possibly people dying as a result," he said. Police have charged a 20-year-old man from Victoria with aggravated assault causing serious harm and affray. A 19-year-old man from Kilburn, in Adelaide's north, a 21-year-old man from Victoria and a 22-year-old man from Western Australia have been charged with behavioural street offences and weapons offences.

They enrich our country with their presence.

"South Australia's first Miss Africa pageant" - huh???


" erupted into a vicious all-in brawl." - Oh, I see.... of course.

miss africa pageant lol

IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA

that just consisted of gang warfare

multiculturalism certainly knows how make things more.. bizarre

at least you can't accuse adelaide of being boring anymore :D :D :D

Now now, we're all Africans. We're all part of the same continent. Originally. Historically speaking, that is.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Oct 6^th, 2010 at 4:56pm:

Now now, we're all Africans. We're all part of the same continent. Originally. Historically speaking, that is.

Er.. I'm not. I have evolved...

aikmann4 wrote on Oct 6^th, 2010 at 4:45pm:

at least you can't accuse adelaide of being boring anymore :D :D :D

no, you can't.






A REFUGEE sexually assaulted a teenage girl on a city-bound train just one month after earning a visa on "humanitarian grounds", a court has heard.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/refugee-sexually-assaulted-girl-one-month-after-getting-visa/story-e6frea83-1225927328319

A Pakistani-born US citizen who tried to set off a car bomb in New York's Times Square in May has been sentenced to life in prison.
...

"Didn't you swear allegiance to this country?" Judge Miriam Goldman Cedarbaum asked him.

"I sweared, but I didn't mean it," Shahzad replied...

'The son of a Pakistani air force officer, Shahzad came to the United States to study at the age of 18 and in 2009 became a naturalised American citizen.

...............

Soren wrote on Oct 6^th, 2010 at 7:35pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Oct 6th, 2010 at 4:56pm: Now now, we're all Africans. We're all part of the same continent. Originally. Historically speaking, that is. Er.. I'm not. I have evolved...

Very true, old boy. There are exceptions to every rule. You must be part of the same incontinence.

aikmann4 wrote on Oct 6^th, 2010 at 8:27pm:

...............

Now now, Imperium. If you make points like these you have to back them up with facts.

Soren wrote on Oct 6^th, 2010 at 8:07pm:

A Pakistani-born US citizen who tried to set off a car bomb in New York's Times Square in May has been sentenced to life in prison. ... "Didn't you swear allegiance to this country?" Judge Miriam Goldman Cedarbaum asked him. "I sweared, but I didn't mean it," Shahzad replied... 'The son of a Pakistani air force officer, Shahzad came to the United States to study at the age of 18 and in 2009 became a naturalised American citizen.

Citizenship of any country should not be absolute for the first 10 years, if you turn out to be a low-life scumbag, then back home you go.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Oct 7^th, 2010 at 4:17pm:

aikmann4 wrote on Oct 6th, 2010 at 8:27pm: ............... Now now, Imperium. If you make points like these you have to back them up with facts.

dont you make make DOTS not POINTS

aikmann4 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2010 at 6:14pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Oct 7th, 2010 at 4:17pm: aikmann4 wrote on Oct 6th, 2010 at 8:27pm: ............... Now now, Imperium. If you make points like these you have to back them up with facts. dont you make make DOTS not POINTS

I like to make the dot point, my frien, as Gud wills it to be so.

Soren wrote on Oct 6^th, 2010 at 7:58pm:

[quote author=Imperium2 link=1243177151/165#177 date=1286347532] A REFUGEE sexually assaulted a teenage girl on a city-bound train just one month after earning a visa on "humanitarian grounds", a court has heard. http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/refugee-sexually-assaulted-girl-one-month-after-getting-visa/story-e6frea83-1225927328319

You see? This is exactly what happens when we let teenage girls into this country.

How dare they.

Natasha Stott Despoja opens up her diary


We celebrate my husband Ian’s 45th birthday at our beach kiosk, Joe’s. Our Adelaide western suburbs community rocks up (long after the kiosk has closed) with BYO bottle and plate. We are such a close neighbourhood that we holiday together, babysit each others’ children and mow each others’ lawns. We meet for coffee at Joe’s every weekend. Friends from out of state think it is a Home and Away set, such is the camaraderie and familiarity. Joe knows everyone’s name. We are a mix of different professions, incomes, family status: cops; a judge, council workers; retirees, former and current MPs, a sign-writer, a yoga teacher, home-makers, businesspeople. And we are from everywhere; so much so that our annual ‘Australia versus the world’ beach cricket match sees those of us born here wonderfully outnumbered.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/page_3/6320073/diary.thtml

I don't really care if someone was born in australia or not, but it puzzles me why she thinks that is 'wonderful'.

Soren wrote on Oct 12^th, 2010 at 1:53pm:

Natasha Stott Despoja opens up her diary We celebrate my husband Ian’s 45th birthday at our beach kiosk, Joe’s. Our Adelaide western suburbs community rocks up (long after the kiosk has closed) with BYO bottle and plate. We are such a close neighbourhood that we holiday together, babysit each others’ children and mow each others’ lawns. We meet for coffee at Joe’s every weekend. Friends from out of state think it is a Home and Away set, such is the camaraderie and familiarity. Joe knows everyone’s name. We are a mix of different professions, incomes, family status: cops; a judge, council workers; retirees, former and current MPs, a sign-writer, a yoga teacher, home-makers, businesspeople. And we are from everywhere; so much so that our annual ‘Australia versus the world’ beach cricket match sees those of us born here wonderfully outnumbered. http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/page_3/6320073/diary.thtml

My dear fellow, I had no idea your delightful little immigrant millieu attended Natasha Stott-Despoja's wonderful soirees. Do you stage your colourful ethnic dances there too?

I must say, it is marvellous to see you settling in so well, old boy. Please give my regards to the lovely lady.

... wrote on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 4:34pm:

[quote] Tensions between two ethnic groups sparked a riot at Christmas Island detention centre in November last year in which 50 people were injured, a Perth court was told. Five Sri Lankan men stand accused of participating in a riot and possessing a weapon. Charges against a sixth man, Ganeshalingam Suntharalingham, were dropped after Magistrate Steven Malley ruled the only evidence against him was inadmissable in court as he did not fully understand he was a suspect when questioned by Australian Federal Police.

A PERTH magistrate says the immigration department "effectively sabotaged" police investigations into a riot by detainees on Christmas Island and allowed key players to escape justice.

Magistrate Stephen Malley today ruled on whether five Sri Lankan Tamil detainees took part in a riot at the detention centre on November 21 last year.

He said it was "bizarre" that within 48 hours of the extremely violent riot, the immigration department shipped off 40 detainees to mainland detention centres, many of whom were heavily involved in the violence.

The actions of the immigration department "effectively sabotaged" investigations into the riot by the Australian Federal Police, Mr Malley said.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/magistrate-blasts-immigration-department/story-e6frfku0-1225948010545#ixzz14MN8Ic54

kaboomb

MULTICULTURALISM

What is it all about?

Is it good? Or is it whack?

Christmas trees 'make non-Christians feel excluded'
Christmas trees should be removed from public places to avoid making non-Christians feel “excluded”, scientists have suggested.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/8214222/Christmas-trees-make-non-Christians-feel-excluded.html

Multiculturalism makes locals feel excluded. Multiculturalism should be removed to avoid making natives feel 'excluded'.

I can't think of anything much less Christian than a tree. It's more of an Islamic symbol I would have thought.

Why get rid of the Christmas trees? Somebody call Robbie Putnam; I'm sure he'll have a solution (involving large amounts of taxpayer money, no doubt) to this problem that conveninently evades having to resort to the most obvious course of action!

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 11:58am:

I can't think of anything much less Christian than a tree. It's more of an Islamic symbol I would have thought.

It's not really either Karnal,

It's a hold-over from pagan winter solstice celebrations, marking the point when winter starts to turn towards spring...

The tree represents 'regrowth' and the hope that winter will end..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 1:55pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 11:58am: I can't think of anything much less Christian than a tree. It's more of an Islamic symbol I would have thought. It's not really either Karnal, It's a hold-over from pagan winter solstice celebrations, marking the point when winter starts to turn towards spring... The tree represents 'regrowth' and the hope that winter will end..

Well, there you go. We live in a secular society. Trees might offend the non-pagans among us.

However, it's Summer. Why are we celebrating regrowth and hoping that Winter will end?

For many Aussies, the Xmas period is merely a good excuse to catch up with friends and family for a good feed and/or booze-up - the trees and gifts no longer having much residual pagan meaning and now merged with the broader materialistic paradigm of modern capitalism...

Thanks to the clever marketing pioneers at Coca Cola, even Santa Claus has long been co-opted and adorned in their corporate colours...

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 1:55pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 11:58am: I can't think of anything much less Christian than a tree. It's more of an Islamic symbol I would have thought. It's not really either Karnal, It's a hold-over from pagan winter solstice celebrations, marking the point when winter starts to turn towards spring... The tree represents 'regrowth' and the hope that winter will end.. Well, there you go. We live in a secular society. Trees might offend the non-pagans among us. However, it's Summer. Why are we celebrating regrowth and hoping that Winter will end?

Because the festival came to the southern hemisphere with the European settlers...

The dates of most christian holy festivals were 'borrowed', or 'appropriated' from pre-christian religions...mostly Druid, but some Roman as well...

It is amazing how eagerly you all seem to go along with every little act of chipping away at your own heritage - while just as swiffly and eagerly defend every stupid 'cultural' custom by foreigners.

That is a synonym for surprising. I'm not surprised at all by the resarchers.

I don't.....I think that if 'other cultures' are offended by christmas trees, decorations and carols.....just don't look/listen to them..



I'm not overly offended by the religious festivals of the various eastern cultures, because I generally ignore them (although I do like Chinese New Year, with the Dragon Dances, fireworks and ,in some places, free finger foods like spring rolls, dim sums etc handed out on the streets)...

I barely notice the Feast of Ramadan, Passover or Hindu New Year.......

I don't 'demand' that the people don't celebrate them either....I expect the same respect in return though...

http://www.njresources.com/images/about/essence-diversity.jpg

Soren wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:50pm:

It is amazing how eagerly you all seem to go along with every little act of chipping away at your own heritage - while just as swiffly and eagerly defend every stupid 'cultural' custom by foreigners.

So true. We really should defend the celebration of hoping for the end of Winter -

In Summer.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 4:28pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 2:50pm: It is amazing how eagerly you all seem to go along with every little act of chipping away at your own heritage - while just as swiffly and eagerly defend every stupid 'cultural' custom by foreigners. So true. We really should defend the celebration of hoping for the end of Winter - In Summer.

The article mentions that non-Christians feel excluded by the Chritmas tree. In Canada. Where it is not summer. Where it is a symbol - which is what it is here.
But I am not asking you to think. That would be cruel. You area paki bugger so you have the lifelong pass for the Bozo-a-go-go.
Go on, have another round.

Soren wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 9:40pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 4:28pm: Soren wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 2:50pm: It is amazing how eagerly you all seem to go along with every little act of chipping away at your own heritage - while just as swiffly and eagerly defend every stupid 'cultural' custom by foreigners. So true. We really should defend the celebration of hoping for the end of Winter - In Summer. The article mentions that non-Christians feel excluded by the Chritmas tree. In Canada. Where it is not summer. Where it is a symbol - which is what it is here. But I am not asking you to think. That would be cruel. You area paki bugger so you have the lifelong pass for the Bozo-a-go-go. Go on, have another round.

Oh, a symbol, is it? I'm glad you've cleared that one up, old boy.

Some of us seem to think that it has something to do with Christianity of all things. Ha!

Pakis love all trees and all religions, my frien. We have no problem with your lovey Christmas tree.

Twattish language games with twats

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 2:26pm:

Twattish language games with twats

Do you mean like changing your name so that it contains the word cocc?

Now that would go well with twat.

I mean pretending you don't know that a christmas tree is a symbol of christmas. What's your angle, buster?!

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 2:50pm:

I mean pretending you don't know that a christmas tree is a symbol of christmas. What's your angle, buster?!

The Winter solstice is a pagan celebration, one of the four pagan festivals of the year, including Midsummer (Summer solstice), Beltaine (Spring equinox) and All Hallows Eve, or Halloween (Autumn exquinox). Many other cultures and religions have (or had) festivals at these times, including Hindus, Buddhists, and the Egyptians.

To fit in and play nice, the Christians adapted these festivals to the Christian callendar - just as the Soviets did with festivals like May Day. Christmas has nothing to do with the birth of the baby Jesus, just as May Day, Easter or Beltaine has nothing to do with His death.

These days are important times in the year in agrarian societies, times when harvests are being reaped or planted or in short supply. They also have spiritual importance in the Old Religion - astrologically, All Hallows Eve is supposed to be a good time to contact the dead. Beltaine is supposed to be the time of the year when the "veil between the worlds" is thinnest (and magic - or intention - strongest, hence its focus on rebirth).

Kids can collect chocolates from their neighbours, decorate tree symbols or go on Easter egg hunts anytime they want. The purpose of these festivals, in the way of the Old Religion, was spiritual. See Ecclesiastes about seasons and times under Heaven. The earth has its own rhythms, and heaven its own purpose.

To stick to your "heritage" without even knowing what your heritage is seems to be a tad dumb to me. We no longer live on the land, and most of us are no longer pagan or Christian, or even socialist.

But consumption is required from us like a new form of social contract - otherwise the retail figures will go down, Gerry Harvey will moan, David Jones' share price will drop and the government will panic.

And this is why we still have the Christmas tree, effende: "our heritage".

This is why we have Santa Claus: the comercial artist, Haddon Sundblom, drew him on a Coca Cola poster. Ah, the Spirit of Christmas. He sounds Danish, doesn't he?

So before you tell me to be proud of my heritage, tell me which one you mean: the veil between the worlds or ads for Coca Cola?

So does a Christmas tree symbolise Christmas to many people or not for you? Forget everything you just rambled on about. I didn't ask for the lecture. Is a Christmas tree not a contemporary symbol of Christmas? Even if it may not have anything to do in history with Christianity, it is still associated with it.

Eitherway, what I found most amusing about the research Soren found was how blunt the conclusion of the researchers was. Usually when sociological findings crack on (unintentionally) to a politically incorrect finding, a convoluted prescription is given that is far detached from the most clear and obvious course of action. I read a lot of this stuff so it was particularly amusing how the solution to this particular "problem" was to just get rid of the trees. It is banal to point out that if the shoe was on the other foot there would be handwringing and calls for government interventions, sensitivity programs and whatnot. Somebody telephone Robert Putnam.

The dishonesty and double standards of contemporary academics is so incredibly palpable.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 3:54pm:

So does a Christmas tree symbolise Christmas to many people or not for you? Forget everything you just rambled on about. I didn't ask for the lecture. Is a Christmas tree not a contemporary symbol of Christmas? Even if it may not have anything to do in history with Christianity, it is still associated with it.

Read the lecture properly, effende.

I kind of don't even know what we're talking about or what point we're trying to make anymore, frien.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 3:45pm:

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 2:50pm: I mean pretending you don't know that a christmas tree is a symbol of christmas. What's your angle, buster?! The Winter solstice is a pagan celebration, one of the four pagan festivals of the year, inclouding Midsummer (Summer solstice), Beltaine (Spring equinox) and All Hallows Eve, or Halloween (Autumn exquinox). Many other cultures and religions have (or had) festivals at these times, including Hindus, Buddhists, and the Egyptians. To fit in and play nice, the Christians adapted these festivals to the Christian callendar - just as the Soviets did with festivals like May Day. Christmas has nothing to do with the birth of the baby Jesus, just as May Day, Easter or Beltaine has nothing to do with His death. These days are important times in the year in agrarian societies, times when harvests are being reaped or planted or in short supply. They also have spiritual importance in the Old Religion - astrologically, All Hallows Eve is supposed to be a good time to contact the dead. Beltaine is supposed to be the time of the year when the "veil between the worlds" is thinnest (and magic - or intention - strongest, hence its focus on rebirth). Kids can collect chocolates from their neighbours, decorate tree symbols or go on Easter egg hunts anytime they want. The purpose of these festivals, in the way of the Old Religion, was spiritual. See Ecclesiastes about seasons and times under Heaven. The earth has its own rhythms, and heaven its own purpose. To stick to your "heritage" without even knowing what your heritage is seems to be a tad dumb to me. We no longer live on the land, and most of us are no longer pagan or Christian, or even socialist. But consumption is required from us like a new form of social contract - otherwise the retail figures will go down, Gerry Harvey will moan, David Jones' share price will drop and the government will panic. And this is why we still have the Christmas tree, effende: "our heritage". This is why we have Santa Claus: the comercial artist, Haddon Sundblom, drew him on a Coca Cola poster. Ah, the Spirit of Christmas. He sounds Danish, doesn't he? So before you tell me to be proud of my heritage, tell me which one you mean: the veil between the worlds or ads for Coca Cola?

Oh for fuxsake, what an insufferable swot you are PB!!! We know you have memorised The idiot's guide to Sociology.

Karnal's English buddy.

Though I don't really want to detract from your hilarious penchant for talking about names, avatars and locations everywhere (NAL), so I'm not going to ruin the gag anymore.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 4:05pm:

Karnal's English buddy. Though I don't really want to detract from your hilarious penchant for talking about names, avatars and locations everywhere (NAL), so I'm not going to ruin the gag anymore.

He's English like Anjem Chadhoury is English, the silly PB.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 4:05pm:

Karnal's English buddy. Though I don't really want to detract from your hilarious penchant for talking about names, avatars and locations everywhere (NAL), so I'm not going to ruin the gag anymore.

I know it's not a game of 'who the bugger are you?" but what's with all the ID changes? I thought an Imperial outlook from Dubbo was solid.

Soren wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 6:24pm:

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 4:05pm: Karnal's English buddy. Though I don't really want to detract from your hilarious penchant for talking about names, avatars and locations everywhere (NAL), so I'm not going to ruin the gag anymore. He's English like Anjem Chadhoury is English, the silly PB.

I want to get to the bottom of this joke actually: did you just start calling him a Paki because his screen name is 'Karnal', or did he ever hint at it elsewhere? Is it because he pretends (?????????) to be a Mooslim?


Quote:

I know it's not a game of 'who the bugger are you?" but what's with all the ID changes? I thought an Imperial outlook from Dubbo was solid.

I'll change it back after I have finished metamorphising.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 6:38pm:

I'll change it back after I have finished metamorphising.

That's what Gregor Samsa thought....

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 6:38pm:

I want to get to the bottom of this joke actually

He is a second generation PB. He went to Bradford Poly and did cultural and post-colonial studies.

I thought it was obvious to everyone.

Post-colonialism (postcolonial theory, post-colonial theory) is a specifically post-modern intellectual discourse that consists of reactions to, and analysis of, the cultural legacy of colonialism. Postcolonialism comprises a set of theories found amongst philosophy, film, political science, human geography, sociology, feminism, religious and theological studies, and literature.

This sounds like an intellectually lucrative field.

Is this why he is always babbling on about the balance of power, geopolitik, globalism and the movement of labour?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 2:23pm:

Oh, a symbol, is it? I'm glad you've cleared that one up, old boy.

Don't act surprised, PB. We know you live and speak in bad faith, you don't have to labour it.  Your mind may be addled by cultural studies but you can't be as thick as all that - or can you? Here's the doctor with another test: do you discern anything that may, however remotely, be symbolic?

Two men from east London accused of burning poppies on the anniversary of Armistice Day have each denied a public order offence. Mohammad Haque, 30, and Emdadur Choudhury, 26, were arrested during a demonstration by Islamist group Muslims Against Crusades.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iCDjmfnqg60ONIcRIRdsar5kwoRQ?docId=B23563151293025781A00


I chose an example of two other PBs to make it easier for you, being culturally sensitive-like.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 6:38pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 6:24pm: JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 4:05pm: Karnal's English buddy. Though I don't really want to detract from your hilarious penchant for talking about names, avatars and locations everywhere (NAL), so I'm not going to ruin the gag anymore. He's English like Anjem Chadhoury is English, the silly PB. I want to get to the bottom of this joke actually: did you just start calling him a Paki because his screen name is 'Karnal', or did he ever hint at it elsewhere? Is it because he pretends (?????????) to be a Mooslim?

He didn't like being taken in. The old boy's idea of a joke is calling someone a Paki - haw haw haw!

Although I do like the Bratford Polytechnic - a nice bit of detail there. The old boy's learning. He hasn't been in this country long, don't forget. He IS an NESB-type.

As a colonialist, the old boy despises the very idea of post-colonialism. He's learnt a few names and theories from rants on the Cato Institute website. He'd never read any of that nonsense, of course. It might sully his untinted view of the world, where everyone's a goodie or a badie, tinted or tanned, where the Man rides through town and saves the women and children from the Injun killers, Mexican bandits and black rapists. Oh, and the Muselmenn.

He's read two books in his time: the Bible, and Ayn Rand's the Fountainhead. Everything else is cut-and-paste, most of which he hasn't read.

Actually, I doubt he's read the Bible all that closely. Nothing in the Bible about dreaming of a white Christmas. Nothing in the Bible about preserving one's heritage.

Actually, I believe Yeheshua said he wanted to get rid of it. Jesus the Christ, of course, was the most tinted post-colonial PoMo apeaser in history.

I pray for him, Cocc, I pray that he takes the Lord Jesus into his heart before it's too late. Then we can all get together, worship pine trees, long for an end to Winter, and celebrate our Danish cultural heritage together.

Do you feel comforted?

I think Soren is pretty funny. His speciality is being a grumpy jerk who insults just about everybody who disagrees with him, but he does it well and humorously enough to make it enjoyable. He is probably a genuinely friendly person so I take his ostensible viciousness with a grain of salt; he breaks with it to act normally sometimes. I don't think there are any sincerely unpleasant people here except for maybe Andrei, Longweekend and Abu. Even Coral Sea is a nice person.

I doubt he reads the Cato institute or Objectivist literature. I'm pretty familiar with Mr. Ren's library; he likes Neoconservative intellectual organs like City-Journal (which is pretty good), trash culture critics (which are pretty good) and culture warrior professional Islam bashers (which are kind of lame).

I'd like to take this opportunity to wish everybody a very Merry Christmas if I don't see you before then.

Please try to remember the true spirit of Christmas. If you get confused, ask it_is_the_light. I'm sure he'll post a nice message from SaLuSa, whom I believe has been corresponding with Jesus the Christ in the Higher Dimensions.

Remember, Christmas is a time of redemptive power. Masons, Musselmenn and PoMo apeasers have the opportunity to mend their despicable ways. Be nice to thy loved ones this Christmas and damn your enemies back to hell.

Have a merry white Christmas :)

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/original-boys-in-the-hood.jpg

JC Denton wrote on Dec 24^th, 2010 at 12:15pm:

I think Soren is pretty funny. His speciality is being a grumpy jerk who insults just about everybody who disagrees with him, but he does it well and humorously enough to make it enjoyable. He is probably a genuinely friendly person so I take his ostensible viciousness with a grain of salt; he breaks with it to act normally sometimes. I don't think there are any sincerely unpleasant people here except for maybe Andrei, Longweekend and Abu. Even Coral Sea is a nice person. I doubt he reads the Cato institute or Objectivist literature. I'm pretty familiar with Mr. Ren's library; he likes Neoconservative intellectual organs like City-Journal (which is pretty good), trash culture critics (which are pretty good) and culture warrior professional Islam bashers (which are kind of lame).

Thanks for that, Cocc. We now have prima-facie evidence of the old boy's label: neoconservative.

Give me a nice Conservative or neoliberal any day, but a neoconservative?

I must say, it's a much more unfashionable label than post-colonial. I'd say it's the Pierre Cardin of ideological labels, woudn't you?

Who is your favourite Neoconservative, Karnal?

Elliot Abrams? Wolfy? Feith? Rummy?

I must say I like Dick Cheney a lot. He was an integral figure to the neoconservative movement. He was the one who staffed the Pentagon; I doubt it could have gotten off the ground if it wasn't for him.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 24^th, 2010 at 3:23pm:

Who is your favourite Neoconservative, Karnal? Elliot Abrams? Wolfy? Feith? Rummy? I must say I like Dick Cheney a lot. He was an integral figure to the neoconservative movement. He was the one who staffed the Pentagon; I doubt it could have gotten off the ground if it wasn't for him.

Mines G W Bush or Dick Chiney ....toss up

JC Denton wrote on Dec 24^th, 2010 at 3:23pm:

Who is your favourite Neoconservative, Karnal? Elliot Abrams? Wolfy? Feith? Rummy? I must say I like Dick Cheney a lot. He was an integral figure to the neoconservative movement. He was the one who staffed the Pentagon; I doubt it could have gotten off the ground if it wasn't for him.

Mine's Francis Fukayama, the end of history man. Pity he had to recant though. It's a tough game, this history ending business.

Pol Pot was pretty good at it though.

I am not familiar with any of the names you two are passing back and forth except Fukuyama's (and the US gov characters).
I am not a neo-anything.

Scruton, Spengler, Steyn, Dalrymple, Roger Sandall, New Criterion, Standpoint, The Spectator, The Atlantic, New English Review, People's Cube , The Onion -these are some of the influences on my outlook on daily politics and cultural p!sstake.

But are you a post- anything?

http://www.treehugger.com/post-it-notes.jpg

:P

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2010 at 6:27pm:

I am not familiar with any of the names you two are passing back and forth except Fukuyama's (and the US gov characters). I am not a neo-anything.

But, my dear fellow, no decent neoconservative would ever own up to it. Being a neocon is like wearing a toupe: the wearer thinks he looks completely natural.

But everyone else knows he's wearing a rug.

Take it from a despicable PoMo Paki appeaser: we know.

Merry Christmas, boys.

I don't think he is a Neocon. He just reads the City Journal, a publication run by the Manhattan Institute; a Neoconservative think tank. But so do I. It is an excellent magazine with some topflight conservative authors.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 1:39pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 6:27pm: I am not familiar with any of the names you two are passing back and forth except Fukuyama's (and the US gov characters). I am not a neo-anything. But, my dear fellow, no decent neoconservative would ever own up to it. Being a neocon is like wearing a toupe: the wearer thinks he looks completely natural. But everyone else knows he's wearing a rug. Take it from a despicable PoMo Paki appeaser: we know. Merry Christmas, boys.

A neoconservative is someone who wants to bring democracy to the prematurely de-colonised. I don't. It would be like putting lipstick on pigs - what's the point??

I don't think a lot of them like pork, though.

Soren wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 10:36pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 25th, 2010 at 1:39pm: Soren wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 6:27pm: I am not familiar with any of the names you two are passing back and forth except Fukuyama's (and the US gov characters). I am not a neo-anything. But, my dear fellow, no decent neoconservative would ever own up to it. Being a neocon is like wearing a toupe: the wearer thinks he looks completely natural. But everyone else knows he's wearing a rug. Take it from a despicable PoMo Paki appeaser: we know. Merry Christmas, boys. A neoconservative is someone who wants to bring democracy to the prematurely de-colonised. I don't. It would be like putting lipstick on pigs - what's the point??

Prematurely? My dear fellow, you betray yourself. A neoconservative doesn't necessarily want democracy. He wants United States hegemony.

Idealists want democracy. Neocons want strong leaders that carry big sticks (and don't talk softly). Only the most vapid neocons believe in democracy. I think they prefer the term "republic," but one most favourable to US corporate interests.

Sadly, my boy, Sir Reggie, Mr Kunt and the Moscow embassy are no longer in business. However, the Project for a New American Century would welcome you into the fold.

Is it still going?