Out of honest curiosity Soren, are you a Heeb?

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27^th, 2009 at 12:03am:

Out of honest curiosity Soren, are you a Heeb?

Are you using this this definition or something looser/tighter? Please clarify.

ARTICLE 5  

(1)  A Jew is an individual who is descended from at least three grandparents who were, racially, full Jews.

(2)  A Jew is also an individual who is descended from two full-Jewish grandparents if:  
 (a)  he was a member of the Jewish religious community when this law was issued, or joined the community later;
 (b)  when the law was issued, he was married to a person who was a Jew, or was subsequently married to a Jew;
 (c)  he is the issue from a marriage with a Jew, in the sense of Section I, which was contracted after the coming into effect of the Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honor of September 15, 1935;
 (d)  he is the issue of an extramarital relationship with a Jew, in the sense of Section I, and was born out of wedlock after July 31, 1936.

http://frank.mtsu.edu/~baustin/nurmlaw2.html

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2009 at 6:36pm:

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:03am: Out of honest curiosity Soren, are you a Heeb? Are you using this this definition or something looser/tighter? Please clarify. ARTICLE 5   (1)  A Jew is an individual who is descended from at least three grandparents who were, racially, full Jews. (2)  A Jew is also an individual who is descended from two full-Jewish grandparents if:    (a)  he was a member of the Jewish religious community when this law was issued, or joined the community later;  (b)  when the law was issued, he was married to a person who was a Jew, or was subsequently married to a Jew;  (c)  he is the issue from a marriage with a Jew, in the sense of Section I, which was contracted after the coming into effect of the Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honor of September 15, 1935;  (d)  he is the issue of an extramarital relationship with a Jew, in the sense of Section I, and was born out of wedlock after July 31, 1936. http://frank.mtsu.edu/~baustin/nurmlaw2.html

Very funny D!ckhead.  Its a simple question, are you or are you not?

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27^th, 2009 at 8:06pm:

Very funny D!ckhead.

Tone it down.

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2009 at 9:11pm:

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27th, 2009 at 8:06pm: Very funny D!ckhead.   Tone it down.

Well just answer the question without throwing BS in to it.

I think he means "yes" but not a fully fledged Jew.
Although for all intents and purposes, you know, enslavement of the free world and things like that, he aquires the rights of a Jew.

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27^th, 2009 at 12:03am:

Out of honest curiosity Soren, are you a Heeb?

We both know it is not "honest curiosity".

I am not a jew but I am on the jews' side, not their enemies' side.

Amadd wrote on Apr 27^th, 2009 at 10:19pm:

I think he means "yes" but not a fully fledged Jew. Although for all intents and purposes, you know, enslavement of the free world and things like that, he aquires the rights of a Jew.

So you'd better watch it, we know your bank account numbers.

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27^th, 2009 at 9:39pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 27th, 2009 at 9:11pm: DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27th, 2009 at 8:06pm: Very funny D!ckhead.   Tone it down. Well just answer the question without throwing BS in to it.

Trouble in paradise you two? :D

It does not mean that a person have to be a jew just because he/she posts intelligent and interesting posts as soren does.

Jim Profit wrote on May 1^st, 2009 at 9:43am:

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27th, 2009 at 9:39pm: Soren wrote on Apr 27th, 2009 at 9:11pm: DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27th, 2009 at 8:06pm: Very funny D!ckhead.   Tone it down. Well just answer the question without throwing BS in to it. Trouble in paradise you two? :D

No trouble, pal. You go back to sucking on whatever it is that you are sucking on. There's a good boy.

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27^th, 2009 at 12:03am:

Out of honest curiosity Soren, are you a Heeb?

"Already before the 20th century Jewish history was recognised as unique: by Pascal, Jean-Jacques Rousseau and Tolstoy. Little could they have known that some of the most dramatic of all chapters of Jewish history were yet to be written: the Shoah, the attempt once and for all to silence the Jewish voice and eliminate the Jewish presence. Rachmanah litzlan, from the face of the earth.

Yom Hazikaron, when we remember those who fell in Israel's defence as they discovered that the Jewish people still has to fight for the right to be, to exist, to have one place on earth where we can defend ourselves.

Yet out of the very depths of those very tragedies came two of the greatest moments in 2000 years of history, Yom Ha'atzmaut - the restoration of Jewish sovereignty after 1900 years, and Yom Yerushalayim, the return to the ancient and holy city, Jerusalem, home of the Jewish heart, focus of all our prayers, embodiment of all our hopes.

Yet Israel is again under attack, after four years of a savage, ceaseless, brutal terror.

At the very moment that terror is being contained, Israel is facing a new attack - a systematic campaign of delegitimization and demonisation among the media, non-governmental organisations, university teachers, and perhaps even among the churches - as if the cause of peace, or justice, or reconciliation, or coexistence were served by listening to only one voice in the conversation, only one side, the other side, in the conflict.
No one summed up the irony of our present situation better than the Israeli writer Amos Oz. "in the 1930s our enemies said: Jews to Palestine. Now they say: Jews out of Palestine. They don't want us to be here. They don't want us to be there. They don't want us to be."

Why?
Why, after 57 years and more of seeking peace, is Israel still seen as the aggressor?
Why, after ten years of negotiation, in which the Palestinians were offered their own state in all of Gaza, 97% of the West Bank, with a capital in East Jerusalem, is Israel still seen as the sole obstacle to peace?

Why, in a world in which there are 57 Islamic states and something like 100 Christian ones, is the desire of the Jewish people to have just one state of its own seen as - God forbid - racist or exclusionary?

Why, when Israel occupies a quarter of one percent of the land mass of the Arab world, is it deemed to be Goliath against David?
Why, alone among the almost 200 nations that comprise the United Nations, is Israel the only one whose very right to be is still called into question?

Why is the Israel- Palestinian conflict seen by one European public after another as the greatest threat to world peace, when anyone with the most rudimentary understanding of the contemporary world knows full well that were - God forbid a million times -Israel to cease to be, not one of those problems of the world would be changed by a millimetre.

There would still be conflict in Kashmir, Chechnya, Bosnia, Kosovo, Indonesia, the Philippines, China, Sudan, Algeria, and Zimbabwe. There would still be global warming, poverty, illiteracy, disease. Most people of the world would still be deprived of the most basic freedoms and human rights. All that would have happened is that the bravest experiment of modern times - the introduction of freedom and democracy into a corner of the Middle East - would have failed, and with it the hopes of many peoples, not just our own.

Why is Israel blamed for almost every problem affecting the 21st century? Why is Israel held up as the explanation for the underachievement, inequality, and lack of human rights in other countries? This afternoon I attended the service of remembrance for the victims of the Tsunami. with its devastating loss of life throughout the Indian Ocean. The Tsunami. A tidal wave. I thought, here was a disaster for which Israel could not be blamed. I was wrong. Within days a religious teacher, in another part of the world, let it be known that the Tsunami was caused by Israel's programme of nuclear testing. When it comes to hate, the capacity for self-delusion knows no bounds.

Why, when the whole history of the 20th century tells us what happens when hate is unchecked, when lies are told in the media as truth - as they were in the case of Jenin -when universities discriminate against this or that one, we know what happens at the end of that path that begins that way. Why do these things still happen?

Do we still - after 60 years of Holocaust education, 60 years of anti-racist legislation, 60 years of inter-faith activity - have to defend the right of the Jewish people to be?

All too often, in defence of Israel against defamation, we, the Jewish people have had to stand alone. No people should be left to face hate alone. As Martin Luther King said, "In the end we will remember, not the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends."


I am not a silent friend of the jews. Honestly. So be curious no more, Ausse Natonal Socialist, you can let loose your invective without pretence.

excellent posting soren.

yes, it seems jews are blamed for about everything.

Soren wrote on May 1^st, 2009 at 10:05pm:

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:03am: Out of honest curiosity Soren, are you a Heeb? [color=#0000ff]"Already before the 20th century Jewish history was recognised as unique: by Pascal, Jean-Jacques Rousseau and Tolstoy. ....

As well as by great British scientist Isaac Newton
http://www.isaac-newton.org/snobelen.pdf

You shall be called Israel, for you have wrestled with God and with men.

Consider the five overriding problems that will face all humanity in the 21st century:

First, the environment: Israel was the first country in the modern world to plant trees, not cut them down, to reforest not deforest. Long before ecology had entered the moral imagination, the Jewish people were turning a land that for centuries lay desolate into a fertile landscape of farms and forests and fields.

Problem Two: Asylum seekers: Israel is the only country other than the United States built out of asylum seekers. They came from 103 different countries, speaking 82 different languages, and out of that global mixture of refugees a great nation was born.

Terror: Israel's security fence, so often described as a wall, is the only effective non-violent protection against terror yet devised in this age of global terror.

Fourth, economic divisions: according to Harvard University's Professor of Economic History, David Landes, only one country in the world has moved in 50 years from being a third world economy to a first world economy: and that is Israel.

And fifthly and lastly, democratic freedom: Not only is Israel the only genuine democracy in the Middle East, but it has sustained its democratic freedoms under strains and stresses that would have broken the back of weaker cultures.


If there were justice in the world, Israel, a tiny country of indomitable courage, would be seen as the role model among the nations, not the pariah among the nations.

The struggle continues and is part of what it means to be a Jew.

Yet today, this evening is a religious moment, and of all the words in the religious vocabulary of Am Yisrael and Torat Yisrael the key one is the word emunah.

Emunah it is normally translated as faith, but it does not mean faith. What it means is faithfulness, loyalty, not walking away when times are tough. It means being steadfast in our loyalty to our people and our land, the home of all our hopes, the place where long ago the Jewish people was born on, and where, within living memory, it has been reborn.

Ve-erastich li be-emunah. We are betrothed to Israel in unbreakable, unshakable loyalty. Nothing will stand between Israel and our love.
Not for nothing were our people and land called Israel. Throughout more than a hundred generations of our history, we have known that to be a Jew involves struggle - sometimes with our fellow human beings, sometimes with God, sometimes with both. Yet in that very name, the name the State has borne for fifty seven years, a momentous hope, a promise, was born - that though the people Israel must struggle, Vetuchal, it will always prevail. That, for the State of Israel, on this its 57th birthday, is our faith and our prayer. Israel is our hope, our people's freedom and our pride.
And so it will be forever. Amen.


Amen indeed.

Soren wrote on May 1^st, 2009 at 10:05pm:

Why? Why, after 57 years and more of seeking peace, is Israel still seen as the aggressor? Why, after ten years of negotiation, in which the Palestinians were offered their own state in all of Gaza, 97% of the West Bank, with a capital in East Jerusalem, is Israel still seen as the sole obstacle to peace? Why, in a world in which there are 57 Islamic states and something like 100 Christian ones, is the desire of the Jewish people to have just one state of its own seen as - God forbid - racist or exclusionary? Why, when Israel occupies a quarter of one percent of the land mass of the Arab world, is it deemed to be Goliath against David? Why, alone among the almost 200 nations that comprise the United Nations, is Israel the only one whose very right to be is still called into question?

The British mandate of Palestine was originally, wholly intended, to be set aside for a new Jewish state.

There is a good exposition in this YOUTUBE presentation, of how the Arabs then, got 2/3 of the British mandate, which today constitutes the state of Jordan.

Then, again, even the remaining 1/3 of the land set aside for the Jewish state was divided again, and given to the 'Palestinians' [ethnic Jordanians].

Prophecy of Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7FbA0zG6g


And the local Arabs still today declare that it is an abomination, that Jews should be allowed a homeland,
.....IN WHAT WAS THEIR ANCIENT HOMELAND.

Why?



Q.
If the Arabs have all the surrounding lands to inhabit, why can't the Jews be allowed [by Arabs] to have their own ancient homeland [too]?

A.
Because the Jews, are not muslims.

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2009 at 9:11pm:

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 27th, 2009 at 8:06pm: Very funny D!ckhead.   Tone it down.

Lover's quandry. :D

The Jewish contribution to civilisation, has been truly remarkable, especially considering their relatively small numbers.

Scientists, artists, economists, intellectuals, businesspeople, humanitarians, philanthropists, etc. are all represented in a positively disproportional rate to any other race, or culture than I can think of.

The world would be far less advanced, and far less civilised, if it were not for the contributions of the jewish people, they are amazing.

Sure their are bad ones, but overall, it is a big win for humanity to have them in our team.

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The Jewish contribution to civilisation, has been truly remarkable, especially considering their relatively small numbers

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Yes it has - but I have my doubts about their small numbers.  Plenty have modified their names and they play a dominating and I believe unhealthy lead in global economics today.  They Jews were responsible for introducing usury which originally went against fundamental Christian and Muslim teachings, but only in regard to lending to those who weren't "brothers".

Israel has escaped this economic downturn because their banks are tightly regulated and are significantly conservative in risk taking, yet they still demand the US heavily subsidise them. The Israeli government hasn't had to intervene in the market by bailing out any business or financial institution, yet through the trilateral commission/world bank/IMF they tell the leaders of the G20 how to manage their economies and helped get us into this mess in the first place.

The trilateral commission created and established by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski is predominantly Jewish in its membership.  It was set up to protect the business interests of the elite and promote extreme capitalism globally - although their slogan is to alleviate poverty by opening up free markets. Now after 30 years - the hungry are hungrier than ever and their local markets have been taken over by the multinationals for bulk export produce.  Rice - the staple of the poor is now imported.  The locals used to grow their own but now can't afford this essential food.



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"To put it simply, Trilateralists are saying: The people, governments and economies of all nations must serve the needs of multinational banks and corporations. "In short, Trilateralism is the current attempt by ruling elites to manage both dependence and democracy -- at home and abroad."

As previously noted in Pawns of the Global Elite, Barack Obama was groomed for the presidency by key members of the Trilateral Commission. Most notably, it was Zbigniew Brzezinski, co-founder of the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller in 1973, who was Obama's principal foreign policy advisor.

The pre-election attention is reminiscent of Brzezinski's tutoring of Jimmy Carter prior to Carter's landslide election in 1976.

For anyone who doubts the Commission's continuing influence on Obama, consider that he has already appointed no less than eleven members of the Commission to top-level and key positions in his Administration.

According to official Trilateral Commission membership lists, there are only 87 members from the United States (the other 337 members are from other regions). Thus, in less than two weeks since his inauguration, Obama's appointments encompass more than 12% of Commission's entire U.S. membership.

Is this a mere coincidence or is it a continuation of dominance over the Executive Branch since 1976? (For important background, read The Trilateral Commission: Usurping Sovereignty.)

Secretary of Treasury, Tim Geithner
Ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice
National Security Advisor, Gen. James L. Jones

Deputy National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon
Chairman, Economic Recovery Committee, Paul Volker
Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Dennis C. Blair
Assistant Secretary of State, Asia & Pacific,  Kurt M. Campbell
Deputy Secretary of State, James Steinberg
State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Haass
State Department, Special Envoy, Dennis Ross
State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Holbrooke
There are many other incidental links to the Trilateral Commission, for instance,  

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is married to Commission member William Jefferson Clinton.  

Geithner's informal group of advisors include E. Gerald Corrigan, Paul Volker, Alan Greenspan and Peter G. Peterson, among others. His first job after college was with Henry Kissinger at Kissinger Associates.

Brent Scowcroft has been an unofficial advisor to Obama and was mentor to Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
Robert Zoelick is currently president of the World Bank
Laurence Summers, White House Economic Advisor, was mentored by former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin during the Clinton administration.

There are many other such links, but these are enough for you to get the idea of what's going on here.

Notice that five of the Trilateral appointees involve the State Department, where foreign policy is created and implemented. Hillary Clinton is certainly in line with these policies because her husband, Bill Clinton, is also a member.

What is more important than economic recovery? Paul Volker is the answer.

What is more important than national intelligence? Gen. James Jones, Thomas Donilon and Adm. Dennis Blair hold the top three positions.

What is more important than the Treasury and the saving of our financial system? Timothy Geithner says he has the answers.

The State Department is virtually dominated by Trilaterals: Kurt Campbell, James Steinberg, Richard Haass, Dennis Ross and Richard Holbrooke.

This leaves Susan Rice, Ambassador to the United Nations. The U.N. is the chosen instrument for ultimate global governance. Rice will help to subvert the U.S. into the U.N. umbrella of vassal states.  

cont...

Conflict of interest

Since 1973, the Commission has met regularly in plenary sessions to discuss policy position papers developed by its members. Policies are debated in order to achieve consensuses. Respective members return to their own countries to implement policies consistent with those consensuses.

The original stated purpose of the Trilateral Commission was to create a "New International Economic Order." Its current statement has morphed into fostering a "closer cooperation among these core democratic industrialized areas of the world with shared leadership responsibilities in the wider international system." (See The Trilateral Commission web site)

U.S. Trilateral members implement policies determined by a majority of non-Americans that most often work against the best interests of the country.

"How," you say?

Since the administration of Jimmy Carter, Trilaterals held these massively influential positions:

Six out of eight World Bank presidents, including the current appointee, Robert Zoelick
Eight out of ten U.S. Trade Representatives
President and/or Vice-President of every elected administration (except for Obama/Biden)

Seven out of twelve Secretaries of State
Nine out of twelve Secretaries of Defense

Is this sinking in? Are you grasping the enormity of it?

Endgame is at hand

For the Trilateral crowd, the game is about over. The recent reemergence of original members Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Brent Scowcroft and Paul Volker serves to reinforce the conclusion that the New International Economic Order is near.

The Trilateral Commission and its members have engineered the global economic, trade and financial system that is currently in a state of total chaos.

Does that mean that they have lost? Hardly.

As I recently wrote in Chorus call for New World Order, they are using the crisis to destroy what remains of national Sovereignty, so that a New World Order can finally and permanently be put into place.

Conclusion

The Obama presidency is a disingenuous fraud. He was elected by promising to bring change, yet from the start change was never envisioned. He was carefully groomed and financed by the Trilateral Commission and their friends.

In short, Obama is merely the continuation of disastrous, non-American policies that have brought economic ruin upon us and the rest of the world. The Obama experience rivals that of Jimmy Carter, whose campaign slogan was "I will never lie to you."  

When the Democrat base finally realizes that it has been conned again (Bill Clinton and Al Gore were members), perhaps it will unleash a real political revolution that will oust Trilateral politicians, operatives and policies from the shores of our country.

If the reader is a Democrat, be aware that many Republicans and conservatives are still licking their wounds after finally realizing that George Bush and Dick Cheney worked the same con on them for a disastrous eight years of the same policies!

Reference to the above

Just how many organisations are accused of trying to instigate a new world order?

The charter of trying to improve security and economic outcomes for all communities, is hardly a sinister goal.

The assertion that they are manipulating the USA, to relinquish it's sovereign rights, and submit to a UN based world government is, to put it in the most kindly way I can think of, far fetched.

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The assertion that they are manipulating the USA, to relinquish it's sovereign rights, and submit to a UN based world government is, to put it in the most kindly way I can think of, far fetched.

It is not far fetched because it's happening right now.  Rudd is complying with the IMF and World Bank, as did our former PM's, and recently spruiked on about a new world order.  This fits right in with the agenda of the Trilateral Commission.  It's all about taking away the rights of a country to control their own markets and following the agenda of a group of elite who have established and continue to expand their global interests at the expense of the desperate.  

The Cutting Edge the other night showed the takeover of the multinationals in modern and third world countries where the farmers have been driven off the land and the people are starving.  Nations used to be able to feed themselves but that is impossible now - each country has been told what to produce for export and prices for each product are set internationally. We are looking at a food shortage not too far into the future.

The IMF needs $33 billion to feed the world's poor which they can't fully raise, yet $112 billion is spent each year on arms trading. Arms manufacturers make up some of the members of the Trilateral Commission/World Bank/IMF.

http://player.sbs.com.au/programs#/programs_08/fullepisodes/latestepisodes/playlist/The-Growing-Anger-Of-Hunger-Full-Ep/

"Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
By Amiram Barkat


A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.

On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop's 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.

Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to trial. The Jerusalem District Court has meanwhile banned the student from approaching the Old City for 75 days.

But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say something.

"When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don't they take harsher measures?" he asks.

According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, "as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country."

Rossing says there are certain common characeristics from the point of view of time and location to the incidents. He points to the fact that there are more incidents in areas where Jews and Christians mingle, such as the Jewish and Armenian quarters of the Old City and the Jaffa Gate.

There are an increased number at certain times of year, such as during the Purim holiday."I know Christians who lock themselves indoors during the entire Purim holiday," he says.

Former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, Shmuel Evyatar, describes the situation as "a huge disgrace." He says most of the instigators are yeshiva students studying in the Old City who view the Christian religion with disdain.

"I'm sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it," he says.

Evyatar says he himself was spat at while walking with a Serbian bishop in the Jewish quarter, near his home. "A group of yeshiva students spat at us and their teacher just stood by and watched."

Jerusalem municipal officials said they are aware of the problem but it has to be dealt with by the police. Shmuel Ben-Ruby, the police spokesman, said they had only two complaints from Christians in the past two years. He said that, in both cases, the culprits were caught and punished.

He said the police deploy an inordinately high number of patrols and special technology in the Old City and its surroundings in an attempt to keep order."


http://www.officialprussianblue.net/showthread.php?s=aa2bec48a2d2b551b7034d31fd769dff&t=24974

Some of you Jew lovin Muslim hating Christians should get yourselves over to Israel, apparently there is a shortage of gullible Christians to spit on.

Absolutely disgusting - but then there is something terrible about most religions, with the exception of Buddishm.  Each one believes they are more superior than the other and they are the only chosen people who can treat humans and animals with no compassion and utter contempt.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk114/Mantra_2008/jews_animal_sacrifice.png

I agree with mantra, "Plenty have modified their names and they play a dominating and I believe unhealthy lead in global economics today"

For example mantra is jew but she doesn't know it because her ancestors "have modified their names". Also mantra's children are jews but she is not aware because jews pollinated ["polluted" (c) Gebbels] her while she was not aware because that's how jews took over the world economy. Mantra is right.

Also. Jews killed 1M kangaroos by spitting on them. Why we dont here about it from LoAR? because they all jews. That's why.

Does it sound ridiculous??????
No. It is all true.i



:o :o :o :o :o :o

tallowood wrote on May 3^rd, 2009 at 8:14pm:

I agree with mantra, "Plenty have modified their names and they play a dominating and I believe unhealthy lead in global economics today" For example mantra is jew but she doesn't know it because her ancestors "have modified their names". Also mantra's children are jews but she is not aware because jews pollinated ["polluted" (c) Gebbels] her while she was not aware because that's how jews took over the world economy. Mantra is right. Also. Jews killed 1M kangaroos by spitting on them. Why we dont here about it from LoAR? because they all jews. That's why. Does it sound ridiculous?????? No. It is all true. :o :o :o :o :o :o

Tallow - I have no personal prejudice against Jews as individuals and the same applies to individuals from most religions with the exception of the EB, but the Zionists are a different matter altogether.

The Zionists have always had a self serving agenda and it's not religious although they pretend their ambitions fall under that banner. There are many Jewish people who are against the Zionists and many who condemn Israel's actions against Palestine, but they can do nothing and are victims of the fundamentalists as much as the ordinary moderate Muslims are.

But I dislike their religious practises as I do with Islam's rites and although Jews appear more sophisticated than Muslims - both groups look base and primitive when practising their religion which obviously comes from their shared ancestor - Abraham.

NB. Tallow - I have no Arab ancestors.

tallowood wrote on May 3^rd, 2009 at 8:14pm:

I agree with mantra, "Plenty have modified their names and they play a dominating and I believe unhealthy lead in global economics today" For example mantra is jew but she doesn't know it because her ancestors "have modified their names". Also mantra's children are jews but she is not aware because jews pollinated ["polluted" (c) Gebbels] her while she was not aware because that's how jews took over the world economy. Mantra is right. Also. Jews killed 1M kangaroos by spitting on them. Why we dont here about it from LoAR? because they all jews. That's why. Does it sound ridiculous?????? No. It is all true. :o :o :o :o :o :o

Humour....

It's harder than it looks.

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 4^th, 2009 at 5:28am:

tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2009 at 8:14pm: I agree with mantra, "Plenty have modified their names and they play a dominating and I believe unhealthy lead in global economics today" For example mantra is jew but she doesn't know it because her ancestors "have modified their names". Also mantra's children are jews but she is not aware because jews pollinated ["polluted" (c) Gebbels] her while she was not aware because that's how jews took over the world economy. Mantra is right. Also. Jews killed 1M kangaroos by spitting on them. Why we dont here about it from LoAR? because they all jews. That's why. Does it sound ridiculous?????? No. It is all true. :o :o :o :o :o :o Humour.... It's harder than it looks.

Oh woosh, I thought tallow had seen the error of his ways,but I see he still lives in denial.

wrote on May 4^th, 2009 at 8:54am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 4th, 2009 at 5:28am: tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2009 at 8:14pm: I agree with mantra, "Plenty have modified their names and they play a dominating and I believe unhealthy lead in global economics today" For example mantra is jew but she doesn't know it because her ancestors "have modified their names". Also mantra's children are jews but she is not aware because jews pollinated ["polluted" (c) Gebbels] her while she was not aware because that's how jews took over the world economy. Mantra is right. Also. Jews killed 1M kangaroos by spitting on them. Why we dont here about it from LoAR? because they all jews. That's why. Does it sound ridiculous?????? No. It is all true. :o :o :o :o :o :o Humour.... It's harder than it looks. Oh woosh, I thought tallow had seen the error of his ways,but I see he still lives in denial.

Ah yes, De Nile... Is nice this time of year...

I see the Tin Hat brigade are still alive and well...  sigh.

how is that hat boof? I thought you'd scarpered like the other sooks, good to see that you still come back for some education.

yawn  speaking of education...  your wife is failing you badly.
I guess your just one demented kid too many for her to bother with.

mantra wrote on May 3^rd, 2009 at 10:05pm:

tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2009 at 8:14pm: I agree with mantra, "Plenty have modified their names and they play a dominating and I believe unhealthy lead in global economics today" For example mantra is jew but she doesn't know it because her ancestors "have modified their names". Also mantra's children are jews but she is not aware because jews pollinated ["polluted" (c) Gebbels] her while she was not aware because that's how jews took over the world economy. Mantra is right. Also. Jews killed 1M kangaroos by spitting on them. Why we dont here about it from LoAR? because they all jews. That's why. Does it sound ridiculous?????? No. It is all true. :o :o :o :o :o :o Tallow - I have no personal prejudice against Jews as individuals and the same applies to individuals from most religions with the exception of the EB, but the Zionists are a different matter altogether. The Zionists have always had a self serving agenda and it's not religious although they pretend their ambitions fall under that banner. There are many Jewish people who are against the Zionists and many who condemn Israel's actions against Palestine, but they can do nothing and are victims of the fundamentalists as much as the ordinary moderate Muslims are. But I dislike their religious practises as I do with Islam's rites and although Jews appear more sophisticated than Muslims - both groups look base and primitive when practising their religion which obviously comes from their shared ancestor - Abraham. NB. Tallow - I have no Arab ancestors.

Zionists are cool. They plant trees in the desert, which is good for environment of the planet Earth.
I dislike atheistic religious practices too but I like some individual atheists.

Are you sure Arabs never change their names?

tallowood wrote on May 4^th, 2009 at 8:51pm:

Zionists are cool. They plant trees in the desert, which is good for environment of the planet Earth. I dislike atheistic religious practices too but I like some individual atheists. Are you sure Arabs never change their names?

I am absolutely positive Arabs never change their names.  :-/

Out of curiosity I checked the world's ten wealthiest people in Wikipedia and their religion. I was so surprised I continued up to the 40 most wealthy people in the world and only 2 of them weren't Jewish - one was a Muslim and one was a Nazi sympathiser.  Even two Chinese and two Indian nationals were Jewish.

Of course this indicates that the Jews are not only the smartest people on this planet, but also the most greedy and ruthless.  They influence and change governments, control the media, alter international demographics and trample on people to get to the top. Looking up the information on each of these multi, multi billionaires indicated many drive their workers like slaves.

Most people don't have a problem with entrepreneurialism - but how many people are destroyed to make way for these ambitious people to realise their dreams. Obviously it has something to do with Judaism not their race, otherwise we would see Muslims follow the same path.


Vanity Fair—the stylish monthly now owned by the billionaire Zionist Newhouse family—has just published its annual list of the 100 most powerful people in America, what Vanity Fair calls “the New Establishment.”

What this amazing list reveals is a reality that many will find hard to accept: America’s “New Establishment” is overwhelmingly dominated by Jewish figures or those who are on the payroll of or dependent upon Jewish families and financial interests that bankroll the powerful Israeli lobby in America. That conclusion—however “offensive” or “controversial” in the eyes of some people—is inescapable.

It’s a list of “the world’s most powerful people,” 100 of the bankers and media moguls, publishers and image makers who shape the lives of billions. It’s an exclusive, insular club, one whose influence stretches around the globe but is concentrated strategically in the highest corridors of power. More than half its members, at least by one count, are Jewish.

It’s a list, in other words, that would have made earlier generations of Jews jump out of their skins, calling attention, as it does, to their disproportionate influence in finance and the media.

Making matters worse, in the eyes of many, would no doubt be the identity of the group behind the list—not a pack of fringe anti-Semites but one of the most mainstream, glamorous publications on the newsstands. The list would seem to conform to all the traditional stereotypes about areas of Jewish overrepresentation.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/01.html

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mantra wrote on May 5^th, 2009 at 8:45am:

... Out of curiosity I checked the world's ten wealthiest people in Wikipedia and their religion. ...

I checked it too

List of wealthiest historical figures

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   * Name: John D. Rockefeller
   * Age at highest earnings: 74
   * Age at death: 97 (died May 23, 1937)
   * Net worth: [ch9644):

329.9 billion $USD    * Original net worth: US$1 billion (September 29 1916)[2]      US$900.0 Million (1913-eve of WWI) [3]    * Origin: United States    * Main source of wealth: Standard Oil    * Other achievements: First billionaire (Globally-USD)[4] and The Rockefeller Foundation (Created:1913)[5] 2.                * Name: Andrew Carnegie    * Age at highest earnings: 68    * Age at death: 83 (died August 11, 1919)    * Net worth: ▬ 309.2 billion $USD    * Original net worth: 479.9 Million $USD (1901)    * Origin: Scotland    * Company: U.S. Steel 3.                * Name: Tsar Nicholas II of Russia (Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov)    * Age at highest earnings: 50    * Age at death: 50 (died July 17, 1918)    * Net worth: ▬ 290.7 billion $USD    * Original net worth: 1.3 billion $USD (1916)    * Origin: Russian Empire    * Company: Monarchy - the Emperor and Autocrat of the Russian Empire (from the House of Romanov).    * Other achievements: Wealthiest Monarch and Wealthiest Head of state 4.                * Name: William Henry Vanderbilt    * Age at highest earnings: 64    * Age at death: 64 (died December 8, 1885)    * Net worth: ▬ 240.0 billion $USD    * Original net worth: 194 Million $USD (1885)    * Origin: United States    * Company: Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad and other railway companies. 5.                * Name: Osman Ali Khan, Asaf Jah VII    * Age at highest earnings: 50    * Age at death: 80 (died February 24, 1967)    * Net worth: ▬ 225.1 billion $USD    * Original net worth: 1.4 billion $USD (1937)    * Origin: Hyderabad, India    * Company: Monarchy - Nizam of Hyderabad    * Other achievements: Wealthiest non-European, Wealthiest Asian, Wealthiest Indian 6.                * Name: Andrew W. Mellon    * Age at highest earnings: 80    * Age at death: 82 (died August 27, 1937)    * Net worth: ▬ 195.7 billion $USD    * Original net worth: 1.0 billion $USD (1935)    * Origin: United States    * Company: Gulf Oil and various other oil companies. 7.                * Name: Henry Ford    * Age at highest earnings: 57    * Age at death: 83 (died April 7, 1947)    * Net worth: ▬ 194.9 billion $USD    * Original net worth: 1.0 billion $USD (1920)    * Origin: United States    * Company: Ford Motor Company 8.                * Name: Marcus Licinius Crassus    * Age at highest earnings: 62    * Age at death: 62 (died 53 B.C.)    * Net worth: ▬ 181.3 billion $USD (100 B.C)    * Original net worth: 170 Million sesterces[6]    * Origin: Roman Republic    * Company: Roman Fire Brigade (wealth inherited, as well as earned by speculating in tenants, mining corporations, and slave trade) 9.                * Name: Alain Le Roux    * Age at highest earnings: 49    * Age at death: 49 (died 1089)    * Net worth: ▬ 178.7 billion $USD    * Original net worth: 11,000 GBP (1089)    * Origin: England    * Company: None, earned money through monarchy and investments. 10.                * Name: Basileus Basil II of the Roman (Byzantine) Empire    * Age at highest earnings: 67    * Age at death: 67 (died December 15, 1025)    * Net worth: ▬ 172.5 billion $USD    * Original net worth: 200,000 gold talents (about 5,400,000kg)    * Origin: Byzantine Empire    * Company: Monarchy - Emperor of the Byzantine Empire (from the Macedonian dynasty)

They all are Jewish Zionists for sure  ::) ::) ::)

;) ;) ;)

Yes Tallow - but your list is dead - my list is alive...bit coincidental isn't it that all but 2 or 3 are non-Jewish? What does it say for everyone else on this planet - that we have different ideals or we're stupid?

Bill" Gates III – Jew
Warren Buffett – second richest man in the world - unknown -  but his Berkshire Hathaway corporation bought an 80 percent share in the Israeli metalworks conglomerate, Iscar, for $4 billion and for years has been making his mark on the U.S. Jewish community back home.
Carlos Slim Helu – Jewish parentage - Slim is the surname of Carlos' father Julián, who was called Youssef Salim before moving to Mexico, upon which he changed his first name to Julián and altered his surname to Slim. On September 10, 2008 Slim announced that he had purchased a 6.4 percent common-stock stake in The New York Times Company, making him the largest shareholder not related to the company's owners, the Sulzberger family.[10]
Lawrence Joseph "Larry" Ellison – a Russian Jew
Ingvar Feodor Kamprad (IKEA)– was ashamed of his Jewish heritage as a youth, but has since apologised to his Jewish associates.  He is one of a select few retailers to have an Ikea store in IsraelIKEA
Karl Hans Albrecht (ALDI) – Russian Jewish
Mukesh Ambani – Indian Jew -  Ambani's father, Dhirubhai Ambani, was one of India's first great capitalists. When he died 25 years later, the Reliance conglomerate was India's largest private sector company with interests in petrochemicals, plastics, oil refineries, and more
Lakshmi Mittal - Indian Jew - Employees of Mittal have accused him of "slave labour" conditions after multiple fatalities in his mines
Theo Albrecht ( Karl’s brother)– Russian Jewish - He has played a HUGE role in helping bring about the Jewish one world order. ..
Amancio Ortega Gaona – Russian Jew
Christy Ruth Walton – wife of Sam Walton – Russian Jew
Jim Carr Walton – Jewish (son of Sam)
Alice Louise Walton - Jewish (Walmart) – (daughter of Sam) In 1989, Walton hit a fifty-year-old pedestrian woman in an automobile accident in Springdale, Arkansas. The woman later died from her injuries; no charges or citations were issued to Walton. In 1996, Walton was cited for driving while intoxicated and fined US$925.[4]
Bernard Arnault – Jewish
Sir Ka-shing Li, - Chinese/Russian Jew - the Li Ka-shing group is structured to retain disproportionate control without incurring the cost of owning an equivalent economic interest. This separation between control and interest is accomplished through pyramid structure, dual-class equities and cross-holdings
Michael Bloomberg – Jewish
Stefan Persson – Russian Jew
Charles G. Koch – Jewish
David Koch – Jewish
Liliane Bettencourt – Jewish (daughter of L’Orea founder)
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud – Muslim (Citicorp & Citbank)
Michael Otto – Jewish
David Kenneth Roy Thomson, 3rd Baron Thomson of Fleet – Russian Jew
Michael Saul Dell - Jew   (Dell) Susan and Michael Dell were among 53 entities that each contributed $250,000 (the maximum legal donation) to the second inauguration of President George W. Bush
Donald L. Bren – Jewish
Sergey Brin – Russian Jew
Larry Page – Jewish (google)
Steve Ballmer – Jewish (Microsoft)
Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster - ?
George Soros – Jewish
Paul Gardner Allen – Jewish – Microsoft
Raymond Kwok Ping Luen – Jewish - the largest property developer in Hong Kong
Anil Ambani – Jewish
Abigail Pierrepont Johnson -    Jewish  -Fidelity
Susanne Klatten -  assumed non-Jewish, but father Nazi collaborator BMW -admits to using to using 25,000 - 30,000 slave laborers, POWs and concentration camp inmates.          
Ronald Owen Perelman – Jewish (Revlon)
Hans Rausing – Jewish
Birgit Rausing – Russian Jew
Michele Ferrero – Russian Jew – Ferrero Rocher chocolates

I have live list too and it is current but not like yours.

BTW please notice how I give links to my sources. Can you do the same?

The 10 Wealthiest People in the World

[code]1. William (Bill) Gates III

William Henry Gates was born October 28, 1955 in Seattle, Washington. He is the chairman for Microsoft and also the largest stockholder in the world. Bill Gates has a 56 billion dollar net worth. He is also a philanthropist. Bill Gates has given away tens of billions of dollars in his lifetime.
2. Carlos Helú

Carlos Slim Helú was born on January 28, 1940 in Mexico City, Mexico. He controls three Mexican companies including Telcel, Telmex, América Móvil. América Móvil is the largest corporation in Latin America. His net worth is an estimated 53.1 billion dollars making him the second richest person in the world.
3. Warren Buffett

Warren Buffett was born on August 30, 1930 in Omaha, Nebraska. He has made most of his money through investments
. Buffett is the CEO of Berkshire Hathaway, which is also the company, which his investments are managed through. He comes in a close third with a net worth of 52.4 billion dollars.
4. Ingvar Kamprad

Ingvar Kamprad was born on March 30, 1926 in Älmtaryd, Sweden. He founded IKEA after given a reward from his father when he was seventeen. Ingvar is the richest man in Europe and number four in the world with an estimated net worth of 33 billion dollars.
5. Lakshmi Mittal

Lakshmi Mittal was born on June 15, 1950 in Sadulpur, Rajasthan, India. He is the CEO and chairman of Arcelor Mittal, which is the largest steel producer in the world. He is the richest person in India and the fifth richest person in the world with a net worth of 32 billion dollars.
6. Sheldon Adelson

Sheldon Adelson was born August 1, 1933 in Boston, Massachusetts. He is Chairman of Las Vegas Sands Corporation, which is a casino resort company. Adelson has a net worth of about 26.5 billion dollars.
7. Bernard Arnault

Bernard Arnault was born March 5, 1945 in Roubaix, France. He is the Chairman and CEO of both Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton (LVMH) and Christian Dior SA. Christian Dior SA is a clothing retailer and designer. LVMH is a French holding company which owns several companies that produce luxury goods. Bernard Arnault is number seven on the richest person in the world and the richest French person with a net worth of 26 billion dollars.
8. Amancio Ortega

Amancio Ortega was born March 28, 1936 in León, Spain. He is the founder of Inditex, which is one of the largest fashion groups. Amancio Ortega is the wealthiest Spaniard and the eighth richest person in the world with a net worth of 24 billion dollars.
9. Li Ka-Shing

Li Ka-Shing was born June 13, 1928 in Chaozhou, Guangdong, China. He is the chairman of both Hutchison Whampoa Limited and Cheung Kong Holdings. Li Ka-Shing is the richest person in Asia and the 9th richest person in the world with a net worth of 23 billion dollars.
10. David Thomson

David Thomson was born June 12, 1957 in Toronto, Canada. He is the chairman of Thomson Corporation and also inherited a large amount of the company when his father, Kenneth Thomson, died in 2006. Thomson is the 10th richest person in the world and is the richest Canadian. He has a net worth of $22 billion dollars.[/code]


Of course they are all Jewish Zionists too, eat babies, killed Jesus and "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is the proven true fact.  ::) ::) ::)
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

lol conspiranut-mantra...  ::)


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I am absolutely positive Arabs never change their names.

yet I know arabs/lebs who have changed their names to anglicised ones.  Heres one example you can look up...  what were he names of the guys who killed constable carty...  the assyrian kings, arabs from Iraq.

Dawood Odishou, also known as Gilbert Adam. He had a brother...  same deal.

Oh dear....
Do you ever ask yourself how many other things you are so sure about are wrong?

I was only joking with Tallow about Arabs not changing their names - because I had already said that Jews do and they are mostly Arabs.   I'm not as cluey as you and Tallow when it comes to the intricacies of Muslims and their habits Grendel.


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Do you ever ask yourself how many other things you are so sure about are wrong?

Nope - there's no way I'm going to start questioning my logic and knowledge. I like keeping my self esteem in tact. :D

Here's that reference for you Tallow....


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires This list of billionaires is based on an annual ranking of the world's wealthiest people compiled and published by Forbes magazine on March 11, 2009. The listed net worth represents the estimated value of assets less debt as of February 13, 2009. The list does not include heads of state whose wealth is tied to their position (see list of heads of government and state by net worth).

mantra wrote on May 5^th, 2009 at 1:23pm:

Here's that reference for you Tallow.... Quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires This list of billionaires is based on an annual ranking of the world's wealthiest people compiled and published by Forbes magazine on March 11, 2009. The listed net worth represents the estimated value of assets less debt as of February 13, 2009. The list does not include heads of state whose wealth is tied to their position (see list of heads of government and state by net worth).

According the given link they aren't Jews or even noble tree planting Zionists.

Scholarly evidence is emerging in Germany that Mohammed was jewish on his mother's side.

Soren wrote on May 5^th, 2009 at 9:01pm:

Scholarly evidence is emerging in Germany that Mohammed was jewish on his mother's side.

He was so full of humour that it has to be true.  ;)

Soren wrote on May 5^th, 2009 at 9:01pm:

Scholarly evidence is emerging in Germany that Mohammed was jewish on his mother's side.

Hmmmmm.

I'm thinkin' perhaps mantra has a similar maternal line???

I think we shouldn't rule it out.             ;D





mantra -

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"Tallow - I have no personal prejudice against Jews as individuals...."

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Hmmmmm. I'm thinkin' perhaps mantra has a similar maternal line??? I think we shouldn't rule it out.             ;D

I went a bit overboard on this thread.  I was trying to prove a point that extremes in any religion are bad.  Jews, Muslims, Christians etc. are all fine as people in their own right, but when we have extremists in any one group - it destroys their credibility.

You Yadda, Tallow, Calanen and others have gone on and on about Muslims as though they are all terrorists, yet for some reason no-one can belittle or deride the Jews.  Muslims have been persecuted unnecessarily as well.  They come from the same stock as Jews - yet they have different ideals and for this both religions will trample over anything and anyone to get what they want.

Generally Jewish people are more astute than any other group and perhaps they are vilifed because they are over represented in our society, considering their numbers are low. Either way the end result is the same - war, destruction, monopolies, misery and disregard for people not of their faith.

BTW Tallow - with the list I supplied - I googled those billionaires out of curiosity to find out a little of their backgrounds.  I started at 10 then went onto 40.  If I had bothered to continue checking out the list - no doubt I would have had a similar result.

Mantra, the rich irony of a witch, complete with broom and black cat, banging on about dark controlling forces obviously escapes you completely.

Also, as every schoolboy knows, the bloke on the left of the "Masters of Credit" montage is Dostoyevsky (look him up).  The dolts/bints who made and use the montage need to be told.  So now that you know, please pass it on.

mantra wrote on May 6^th, 2009 at 4:24am:

... BTW Tallow - with the list I supplied - I googled those billionaires out of curiosity to find out a little of their backgrounds.  I started at 10 then went onto 40.  If I had bothered to continue checking out the list - no doubt I would have had a similar result.

Yes, I have noticed that the link you provided hasn't mentioned Jews or Zionists.  :)

Soren wrote on May 6^th, 2009 at 5:58pm:

Mantra, the rich irony of a witch, complete with broom and black cat, banging on about dark controlling forces obviously escapes you completely. Also, as every schoolboy knows, the bloke on the left of the "Masters of Credit" montage is Dostoyevsky (look him up).  The dolts/bints who made and use the montage need to be told.  So now that you know, please pass it on.

Haha Soren.  I've never been a schoolboy so thanks for that information.  In fact I've often thought about reading Crime and Punishment so might do it shortly.  An interesting snippet...and another reason why the Jews are "persecuted".

Scorning honest labor, the Jews had fastened themselves on the Russian peasants and craftsmen like an army of leeches. Money-lending, the liquor trade, and White slavery were their preferred means of support -- and their means of destroying the Russian people.

So great was the Russians' hate for their Jewish tormenters that the Russian rulers were obliged to institute special legislation, both protecting the Jews and limiting their depredations against the Russian people. Among the latter was a ban against Jewish settlement in central Russia; they were restricted to the regions of western and southwestern Russia (the "Pale of Settlement") where they had been most heavily concentrated at the time Catherine the Great had proclaimed the ban, in the 18th century.

This, of course, was regarded by the Jews as "persecution," and it was their incessant wailing about not being allowed to fasten themselves on the people of central Russia which first moved Dostoievsky to set his pen to paper on the Jewish question. In the section of his Diary published in March 1877, the writer remarked:

... I know that in the whole world there is certainly no other people who would be complaining as much about their lot, incessantly, after each step and word of theirs -- about their humiliation, their suffering, their martyrdom. One might think it is not they who are reigning in Europe, who are directing there at least the stock exchanges and, therefore, politics, domestic affairs, the morality of the states.

Dostoievsky, who had become all too familiar with Jews and their personal attitudes toward their Russian hosts, first as a boy on his parent's small estate, where he observed the Jew's dealings with the local peasants, and later in prison, where he noted the aloof behavior of the Jewish prisoners toward Russian prisoners, went on to speculate about what would happen to the Russians if the Jews ever got the whiphand:

... Now, how would it be if in Russia there were not three million Jews, but three million Russians, and there were eighty million Jews -- well, into what would they convert the Russians and how would they treat them? Would they permit them to acquire equal rights? Would they permit them to worship freely in their midst? Wouldn't they convert them into slaves? Worse than that: wouldn't they skin them altogether? Wouldn't they slaughter them to the last man, to the point of complete extermination, as they used to do with aliens in ancient times, during their ancient history?

This speculation turned out to be grimly prophetic, for only a little more than four decades later bloodthirsty Jewish commissars, who made up the bulk of the Bolshevik leaders, were supervising the butchering of Russians by the millions.

http://www.library.flawlesslogic.com/dost.htm


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Yes, I have noticed that the link you provided hasn't mentioned Jews or Zionists.

No it didn't Tallow - I googled each person seperately - although I only went as far as determining whether they were Jewish or not.  Maybe I'll look a little further into their background to determine whether the majority are zionists.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk114/Mantra_2008/Orthodox_Jews_protest_against_Israe.jpg

"... I know that in the whole world there is certainly no other people who would be complaining as much about their lot, incessantly, after each step and word of theirs -- about their humiliation, their suffering, their martyrdom. One might think it is not they who are reigning in Europe, who are directing there at least the stock exchanges and, therefore, politics, domestic affairs, the morality of the states."

Of course they are kvetching incessantly, they even have a special word for it. And how else would we have jewish mother jokes?
The jewish mother buys her son two shirts. He put on one and she says, "You don't like the other one?"



"... Now, how would it be if in Russia there were not three million Jews, but three million Russians, and there were eighty million Jews -- well, into what would they convert the Russians and how would they treat them? Would they permit them to acquire equal rights? Would they permit them to worship freely in their midst? Wouldn't they convert them into slaves? Worse than that: wouldn't they skin them altogether? Wouldn't they slaughter them to the last man, to the point of complete extermination, as they used to do with aliens in ancient times, during their ancient history?"

The answer to those hypotheticals can be found in Israel. The 1.6 million Arab Israelis are not persecuted, slaughtered; skinned, enslaved; they are permitted to worship freely and have more rights in Israel than in any Arab country.



I still don't see how Dostoyevsky fits into a montage of "Masters of Credit". Do you?

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I still don't see how Dostoyevsky fits into a montage of "Masters of Credit". Do you?

Without reading his books - no I haven't got a clue.  There are only vague comparisons by him to the Rothschilds in extracts from a couple of his books on Google, but nothing overly significant.

Do you know why Soren?  Maybe I've used an irrelevant picture, but not being a great reader of modern history I found the photo quite aesthetic and thought it might serve some pertinent purpose.  ::)

No.

Not being a great reader, you thought that the guy looked sterotypical enough. That was the only 'aesthetic' purpose in your mind - and the mind of compiler of the montage, if it was not you. Before you knew it was Dostoyevsky you thought the image was very relevant - gaunt face, hollow cheeks, beard, coat. massive forehead ('clever').  Jewish enough for your 'esthetc' purposes.

On your broom, dearie.

I say that in an inclusive and non-judgemental way, of course.i

Hey Soren, you sure did jump the gun............

Have i said that i HATE you yet? why the 'insults' mr?

DILLIGAF wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 9:36pm:

Have i said that i HATE you yet? why the 'insults' mr?

What's new? Who don't you hate? Being hated by you makes me ordinary.


"Why the insults?"  Is that another 'honest curiosity" question from Mr bugger Youse All?

Soren wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 8:41pm:

No. Not being a great reader, you thought that the guy looked sterotypical enough. That was the only 'esthetic' purpose in your mind - and the mind of compiler of the montage, if it was not you. Before you knew it was Dostoyevsky you thought the image was very relevant - gaunt face, hollow cheeks, beard, coat. massive forehead ('clever').  Jewish enough for your 'esthetc' purposes. On your broom, dearie. I say that in an inclusive and non-judgemental way, of course.

The "montage" was misleading and I downloaded it believing they were all Rothschilds.  How was I to know that Dostoyevsky wasn't one of them and you wouldn't have known it either if it wasn't for the fact you remembered him from your school days.

I didn't think he looked stereotypical of a Jew - the thought never entered my mind - it was just a picture and a name.  Don't read more into it.

Soren wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 9:43pm:

DILLIGAF wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 9:36pm: Have i said that i HATE you yet? why the 'insults' mr? What's new? Who don't you hate? Being hated by you makes me ordinary. "Why the insults?"  Is that another 'honest curiosity" question from Mr bugger Youse All?

Mr bugger Youse All? what the bugger are u on about?  

bugger it. i'm not playing no stupid mind games anymore. bugger you Soren.

And death to ALL jews world wide. Is that what you want to hear d!ckhead?

DILLIGAF wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 9:53pm:

And death to ALL jews world wide. Is that what you want to hear d!ckhead?

When Hitler said that he was raped by tatars.  8-)

DILLIGAF wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 9:53pm:

And death to ALL jews world wide. Is that what you want to hear d!ckhead?

What? Now you are doing me favours?!?

You speak in anger and that alone makes you wrong.  Always.

Soren wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 10:02pm:

DILLIGAF wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 9:53pm: And death to ALL jews world wide. Is that what you want to hear d!ckhead? What? Now you are doing me favours?!? You speak in anger and that alone makes you wrong.  Always.

I speak in anger because without provocation you start labelling me.

You Jew c unts are nothing but trouble makers.
Yeah, i know why you lot have been 'persecuted' for so many years and its because you are the most arrogant, manipulative, scheming, lying, self centered, greedy, warmongering, inbred, egotistic, ugliest, murderous, two faced, fable tellers that have ever existed.

Burn in a furnace soren.

I'm so pissed off with you and your kind.

*Aussie National Socialist.

mantra wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 9:49pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 8:41pm: No. Not being a great reader, you thought that the guy looked sterotypical enough. That was the only 'esthetic' purpose in your mind - and the mind of compiler of the montage, if it was not you. Before you knew it was Dostoyevsky you thought the image was very relevant - gaunt face, hollow cheeks, beard, coat. massive forehead ('clever').  Jewish enough for your 'esthetc' purposes. On your broom, dearie. I say that in an inclusive and non-judgemental way, of course. The "montage" was misleading and I downloaded it believing they were all Rothschilds.  How was I to know that Dostoyevsky wasn't one of them and you wouldn't have known it either if it wasn't for the fact you remembered him from your school days. I didn't think he looked stereotypical of a Jew - the thought never entered my mind - it was just a picture and a name.  Don't read more into it.

Surrenderng your critical faculties selectively. More - predicatbly selectively.  

Not buying it (to speak like a jew for a moment).

Soren - I have no reason to lie.  When I find the link again - I'll post it.  It was just a picture - whoever composed it - and it wasn't me - obviously had some purpose in mind behind it.

If you are Jewish - I'm sorry if I offended you by daring to accidentally post a photo of a gentile beside "great Jewish men".

Jews are clever, smart and winners.

Are you a Jew?

tallowood wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 10:29pm:

Jews are clever, smart and winners.

Yes considering they are only about 10% of the population - they are clever, smart and winners - but at what cost to humanity for them to get to the top of the heap?

mantra wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 10:33pm:

tallowood wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 10:29pm: Jews are clever, smart and winners. Yes considering they are only about 10% of the population - they are clever, smart and winners - but at what cost to humanity for them to get to the top of the heap?

At a great benefit of course.

Don't you like Zionists tree planting program? They are greener then Brown and yellows and red.

I've said enough about this topic - it's obviously very offensive to those who are Jewish.

But for those who have been offended - think twice before you decide to offend people like Abu, Lestat and other Muslims who read this forum - with criticism far worse than I've given out.

mantra wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 10:39pm:

I've said enough about this topic - it's obviously very offensive to those who are Jewish. But for those who have been offended - think twice before you decide to offend people like Abu, Lestat and other Muslims who read this forum - with criticism far worse than I've given out.

It is funny what you said, mantra, because every time you ask to provide links you prove yourself wrong out. As I said before are you clever or your family name was not changed?  ;)

What are you getting at Tallow?  I have provided every link requested of me.  I explained to you where I got the information from in regard to the world's richest people being predominantly jewish - Wiki. I looked up each individual on the Wiki list to find out their origins.

I googled Jews images or words to that affect and I came up with a picture of the Rothschilds or so I thought.

Don't make out I'm a liar or wrong.  I'm polite to you although I'm often tempted to be otherwise.

mantra wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 11:03pm:

What are you getting at Tallow?  I have provided every link requested of me.  I explained to you where I got the information from in regard to the world's richest people being predominantly jewish - Wiki. I looked up each individual on the Wiki list to find out their origins. I googled Jews images or words to that affect and I came up with a picture of the Rothschilds or so I thought. Don't make out I'm a liar or wrong.  I'm polite to you although I'm often tempted to be otherwise.

As I said before your link to wiki listed richest people but no Jews or Zionist are mentioned there. You did not provide links about the reach boys and girls(?) being Jewish or Zionists.
I'm not saying that you are a liar but you are wrong in your envy to Jews and definitely wrong about noble and environment friendly Zionists who plant trees in the ME desert while muslims declare fire jihad on Israeli trees. Are you green or are you brown?

tallowood wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 11:20pm:

As I said before your link to wiki listed richest people but no Jews or Zionist are mentioned there. You did not provide links about the reach boys and girls(?) being Jewish or Zionists.

If you doubt my information on any of the people on that list - give me the name and I'll provide the link.  I'm not putting up a hundred or so links.  Don't assume personal motives are behind this Tallow - few people accept those who are greedy especially when lives and livelihoods are sacrificed in the process.  Read what I've posted - I have said I haven't confirmed whether they are zionists.


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I'm not saying that you are a liar but you are wrong in your envy to Jews and definitely wrong about noble and environment friendly Zionists who plant trees in the ME desert while muslims declare fire jihad on Israeli trees. Are you green or are you brown?

How do you think Israel was turned from a desert into lush green farmland?


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Israel drains the river Jordan into pipes before it reaches the country that bears its name. The Palestinian desert enclave, the Gaza strip, is the most water- starved political unit on earth with just 140 litres of brackish underground water a day for each inhabitant. Israelis farm the Negev desert right up to the Gaza border. Seen from Gaza their greenhouses gleam in the sun, guzzling up water that should be growing Palestinian crops. This is the coastal end of a desert drainage basin that begins in Palestinian territory on the West Bank south of Jerusalem then passes through the Negev desert in Israel and flows to the sea through Gaza where it replenishes the alquifer through a small coastal wetland. Or it did. The Israelis have built dams on the Wadi. These days little water ever reaches Gaza. Most of it is grabbed to irrigate Israeli fields and the wetland has turned into a sewage sump. On the West bank there is an ancient tunnel that channels water from the hills above the village of Madama. The shaft and the tunnel is very old and the tunnel concentrates seeps from tiny springs in the hills and brings them to the village. Similar tunnels are to be found all across the West Bank. They are an ancient water-catching system . Many have dried p as water tables have fallen. In the 1950s when the Palestinians lived under Jordanian tutelage the West Bank had ample water. Far more rain was falling and filling the aquifers than the Palestinians needed. But as the Israeli population grew, they began to tap the water of the Western aquifer by sinking wells close to the border. Soon they were taking far more of the water under the West Bank than the Palestinians ever had The water table under the western aquifer began to fall and the two rivers, the Yarkon and Taninim, died. The Yarkon's bed became an open sewer for the communities of Tel Aviv. When Israel took control fo the West Bank after the 6-day war in 1967 Israel has taken the lion's share of the water and the Palestinians have been forbidden to sink new wells and rarely get permission to replaced old ones. Typically the Palestinian has a quarter as much water as his Israeli neighbour and pays more for it than the Israelis. http://www.doeda.com/water.html

The above is no secret to the world.

mantra - good to see you get your teeth into a topic you feel strongly about.

:-)

pathetic as it is.
Heaven forbid a country should use its water resourvces.
Oh and how about the arabs threatening to cut off Israel from its water resources through daming.  Oh no lets not look too deep into the facts.

mantra wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 10:39pm:

I've said enough about this topic - it's obviously very offensive to those who are Jewish. But for those who have been offended - think twice before you decide to offend people like Abu, Lestat and other Muslims who read this forum - with criticism far worse than I've given out.

I dont respect Muslim beliefs, and I don't care if they are offended.

mantra - stick to your guns girl.

If others are offended by your comments, that's their issue.
We live in a country that has freedom of speech.

You are not responsible for anothers feelings.
If that were the case, communication would be stalled and the whingers would stop everyone from saying anything.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 8^th, 2009 at 10:46am:

If others are offended by your comments, that's their issue. We live in a country that has freedom of speech. You are not responsible for anothers feelings. If that were the case, communication would be stalled and the whingers would stop everyone from saying anything.

You make some relevant points Sprintcyclist.  Debates on religion always seem to turn ugly and I didn’t want to get involved in the topic to this extent, but I’m learning a few things and one of them is appreciation for our Christian democratic country. Apart from extremists in third world countries, the modern Christian isn’t materialistic, self serving or violent and Christian ideology isn’t about putting power and money before humanity, nor does Christian doctrine condone stealing from their neighbours or causing them suffering or death.


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pathetic as it is. Heaven forbid a country should use its water resourvces. Oh and how about the arabs threatening to cut off Israel from its water resources through daming.  Oh no lets not look too deep into the facts.

Threats are a little different to actual actions Grendel.  Didn't these threats occur prior to Israel’s independance?  But just a threat alone pushes Israel into violence and they certainly ensured Palestine suffered as a consequence. You whinge about the Muslims, but the Jews are as bad, if not worse and there are plenty of references to Israel cutting off water and power supplies to Palestine and Beirut.  Jewish lives are considered so much more superior and worthwhile than their blood brothers – the Muslims. In fact a Jewish life is considered superior to anyone who isn't a brother.

I'm beginning to understand the importance of keeping Australia secular and isolationist. How it can be done - I've got no idea, but I don't want my children to be coolies to the Chinese, sycophants or cannon fodder to the Zionists or any other subserviant non-entity to an extremist religion or race.

mantra - the vast majority of aussies agree with yiouon that .



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I'm beginning to understand the importance of keeping Australia secular. How it can be done - I've got no idea, but I don't want my children to be coolies to the Chinese, sycophants or cannon fodder to the Zionists or any other subserviant non-entity to an extremist religion or race.

the best places are democratic capitalistic secular countries.

mantra wrote on May 8^th, 2009 at 1:35pm:

t I’m learning a few things and one of them is appreciation for our Christian democratic country. Apart from extremists in third world countries, the modern Christian isn’t materialistic, self serving or violent and Christian ideology isn’t about putting power and money before humanity, nor does Christian doctrine condone stealing from their neighbours or causing them suffering or death.

Don't be fooled Mantra. It was secularists who gave us human rights and freedom as we know them today, after they wrenched temporal power from the clerics of Catholicism and ultra-conservative Protestantism (such as Puritanism). If these Christian denominations had temporal power today, which they don't (except for the Vatican that pretends it does), freedoms as we know them would almost certainly not exist.

Watch those god-awful televangelists exhorting a congregation of thousands not to feel guilty about pursuing money for its own sake... because god wants you to be rich, implying that greed is good. I like Garrison Keillor's lampooning of the subject with his fictitious Lutheran Bishop who's converted to the Church of Christ and runs a 15 minute radio broadcast from caravan in the Appalachians insisting that there's a verse in Hosea that says god wants the government to repeal the capital gains tax.

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 8^th, 2009 at 2:03pm:

Don't be fooled Mantra. It was secularists who gave us human rights and freedom as we know them today, after they wrenched temporal power from the clerics of Catholicism and ultra-conservative Protestantism (such as Puritanism). If these Christian denominations had temporal power today, which they don't (except for the Vatican that pretends it does), freedoms as we know them would almost certainly not exist. Watch those god-awful televangelists exhorting a congregation of thousands not to feel guilty about pursuing money for its own sake... because god wants you to be rich, implying that greed is good. I like Garrison Keillor's lampooning of the subject with his fictitious Lutheran Bishop who's converted to the Church of Christ and runs a 15 minute radio broadcast from caravan in the Appalachians insisting that there's a verse in Hosea that says god wants the government to repeal the capital gains tax.

I know Helian.  I was thinking of the evangelists, religious sects eg Hillsong, Church of Fire etc. as I typed that statement, but excluding those groups and similar, there are laws established here to protect us from extremism if it encroaches onto our basic rights.

Ultra-conservative Christian groups could be a threat, but as long as they are forced to comply with our legislation - they aren't as menacing as they used to be and certainly haven't the ability to infiltrate our lives by stealth as the Catholic, Presbyterian & Methodist Churches used to do.

Presbyterian?  You are kidding

Ah they built the dam mantra   ::) ::) ::)  and have affected the water flow.

Oh and BTW I criticise Islam and extremist Muslim behaviour...  I also criticise extremist Jewish behaviour.  
Always have

mantra wrote on May 8^th, 2009 at 2:21pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 8th, 2009 at 2:03pm: Don't be fooled Mantra. It was secularists who gave us human rights and freedom as we know them today, after they wrenched temporal power from the clerics of Catholicism and ultra-conservative Protestantism (such as Puritanism). If these Christian denominations had temporal power today, which they don't (except for the Vatican that pretends it does), freedoms as we know them would almost certainly not exist. Watch those god-awful televangelists exhorting a congregation of thousands not to feel guilty about pursuing money for its own sake... because god wants you to be rich, implying that greed is good. I like Garrison Keillor's lampooning of the subject with his fictitious Lutheran Bishop who's converted to the Church of Christ and runs a 15 minute radio broadcast from caravan in the Appalachians insisting that there's a verse in Hosea that says god wants the government to repeal the capital gains tax. I know Helian.  I was thinking of the evangelists, religious sects eg Hillsong, Church of Fire etc. as I typed that statement, but excluding those groups and similar, there are laws established here to protect us from extremism if it encroaches onto our basic rights. Ultra-conservative Christian groups could be a threat, but as long as they are forced to comply with our legislation - they aren't as menacing as they used to be and certainly haven't the ability to infiltrate our lives by stealth as the Catholic, Presbyterian & Methodist Churches used to do.

Neither of you realise that secularism is a Christian idea. Its philosophical basis is Christian and it occurs, as a process, in 'Christian' countries or where the political philosophy of 'Christian' countries is influential.

There is no intellectual or actual history of separaton of state and church in any other religion. There is no intellectual history of religion as a matter for the private domain.

The wresting of state power from the grip of Rome was the work of other Christans. The idea of a secular atheist is a fairly late development in the process of secularisation and by no means the dominant intellectual stream of it.

Secularism, being a Chrstian idea, is not synonymous with atheism or with being anti-Christianity or being possessed by anti-religious animus.

The opposite of secularism is theocracy. That's why you cannot have 'secular' muslims, only lapsed, or non-practicing ones. But you can have a secular Christian, as most of them are, in fact, secular.



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Zionists are real green while political green are real brown. Just look what muslim rule made to Judea and Samaria and how Israel revived it from desert.

Grendel wrote on May 8^th, 2009 at 3:23pm:

Presbyterian?  You are kidding

I just threw that in.  I wasn't sure what sort of history they had.


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Zionists are real green while political green are real brown. Just look what muslim rule made to Judea and Samaria and how Israel revived it from desert.

Wrong, wrong and wrong Tallow.  You've been baiting me on this topic and I'm not biting.  Bob Brown is Green and did Muslim rule cause all that desert? I don't think so.  ::)

That's magnificant Soren.

Mind if I use it elsewhere?

mantra wrote on May 8^th, 2009 at 10:38pm:

... Quote: Zionists are real green while political green are real brown. Just look what muslim rule made to Judea and Samaria and how Israel revived it from desert. Wrong, wrong and wrong Tallow.  You've been baiting me on this topic and I'm not biting.  Bob Brown is Green and did Muslim rule cause all that desert? I don't think so.  ::)

Right, right, right, Mantra. Bob is Brown and I had provided facts about environmental degradation of Judea and Samaria under the muslim caliphate in some other threads that were viciously deleted by fearful dhimies.

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2009 at 8:02pm:

Secularism, being a Chrstian idea, is not synonymous with atheism or with being anti-Christianity or being possessed by anti-religious animus.

And this just in... It's been revealed that the Vatican paid Martin Luther to split from Rome.  :o.


Thomas Paine would turn in his grave having been condemned for his vehement arguing against Christianity and its greed for temporal power.

Wrote Thomas Jefferson (his first draft of the declaration of independence) 'We hold these rights to be sacred and inviolable'.

Said Benjamin Franklin to Jeffersen : 'Smacks of the pulpit, Mr Jeffersen, smacks of the pulpit'.

Franklin and Jefferson both despised Christianity.

tallowood wrote on May 8^th, 2009 at 10:50pm:

mantra wrote on May 8th, 2009 at 10:38pm: ... Quote: Zionists are real green while political green are real brown. Just look what muslim rule made to Judea and Samaria and how Israel revived it from desert. Wrong, wrong and wrong Tallow.  You've been baiting me on this topic and I'm not biting.  Bob Brown is Green and did Muslim rule cause all that desert? I don't think so.  ::) Right, right, right, Mantra. Bob is Brown and I had provided facts about environmental degradation of Judea and Samaria under the muslim caliphate in some other threads that were viciously deleted by fearful dhimies.

I didn't read the Islam forum that much - it became very boring and repetitive.  Perhaps you could provide some links proving how the Muslims destroyed Judea and Samaria - all I could find was information on Jewish subjugation of the Muslims and deliberate water deprivation.

mantra wrote on May 8^th, 2009 at 11:04pm:

tallowood wrote on May 8th, 2009 at 10:50pm: mantra wrote on May 8th, 2009 at 10:38pm: ... Quote: Zionists are real green while political green are real brown. Just look what muslim rule made to Judea and Samaria and how Israel revived it from desert. Wrong, wrong and wrong Tallow.  You've been baiting me on this topic and I'm not biting.  Bob Brown is Green and did Muslim rule cause all that desert? I don't think so.  ::) Right, right, right, Mantra. Bob is Brown and I had provided facts about environmental degradation of Judea and Samaria under the muslim caliphate in some other threads that were viciously deleted by fearful dhimies. I didn't read the Islam forum that much - it became very boring and repetitive.  Perhaps you could provide some links proving how the Muslims destroyed Judea and Samaria - all I could find was information on Jewish subjugation of the Muslims and deliberate water deprivation.

I can find that thread before muslim die from "deliberate water deprivation" because I did post it in other sub forums while browns were complaining about me saving vital evidence somewhere else.  :D

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 8^th, 2009 at 11:03pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2009 at 8:02pm: Secularism, being a Chrstian idea, is not synonymous with atheism or with being anti-Christianity or being possessed by anti-religious animus. And this just in... It's been revealed that the Vatican paid Martin Luther to split from Rome.  :o. Thomas Paine would turn in his grave having been condemned for his vehement arguing against Christianity and its greed for temporal power. Wrote Thomas Jefferson (his first draft of the declaration of independence) 'We hold these rights to be sacred and inviolable'. Said Benjamin Franklin to Jeffersen : 'Smacks of the pulpit, Mr Jeffersen, smacks of the pulpit'. Franklin and Jefferson both despised Christianity.

The connection of your response to my point eludes me.

Secularism is not atheism, it is not even anti-clericalism. It is certainly not anti-Catholicism, if that is what you are groping for with your allusion to Luther. It is the removal of organised religion's privileged position in worldly (ie this worldly, secular) matters. As a judge must be disinterested, so government is secular - that is, make laws without any perceived preference for any particular religion or creed. A religiously disinterested governance = secularism.




Sprint - use away.

My point is that secularism - being separation of church and state is not a Christian idea at all and it was not good Christians who challenged Christianty’s presumption of right to temporal power, it was nonreligious good secularists. They had no time for Christianity or any other theology (except, perhaps for deism, which proposed that god played no part in the world and therefore none in governement either). It would have been almost blasphemy for ardent Christians to assert that the Church had no place in government. The Vatican belligerently demanded its right to temporal power until it was finally stripped of it all by force in the l9th century. Although to this day the Vatican issues edicts to the world as if it still holds temporal power.

My reference to Luther was a lampoon at revisionism. Although recently Benedict XVI has decided to rehabilitate Luther, no doubt in an attempt to win back Lutherans to Catholicism… But I wonder how they’re going to deal with his rabid anti-Semitism.

Institutions and the people who control them don’t give up power willingly and Christian denominations and their clerics are no exception to that.

oh dear.... ::)

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 2:04pm:

My point is that secularism - being separation of church and state is not a Christian idea at all and it was not good Christians who challenged Christianty’s presumption of right to temporal power, it was nonreligious good secularists. They had no time for Christianity or any other theology (except, perhaps for deism, which proposed that god played no part in the world and therefore none in governement either). It would have been almost blasphemy for ardent Christians to assert that the Church had no place in government. The Vatican belligerently demanded its right to temporal power until it was finally stripped of it all by force in the l9th century. Although to this day the Vatican issues edicts to the world as if it still holds temporal power. My reference to Luther was a lampoon at revisionism. Although recently Benedict XVI has decided to rehabilitate Luther, no doubt in an attempt to win back Lutherans to Catholicism… But I wonder how they’re going to deal with his rabid anti-Semitism. Institutions and the people who control them don’t give up power willingly and Christian denominations and their clerics are no exception to that.

Those good secularists - where did they get their ideas from? A collective dream?

No. They got them from one J. Christ (a jew, God help him) who said, according to an influential book :
Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's. And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace.


The horse's mouth, if you'll pardon me, as far as, er, Christianity is concerned, wouldn't you agree?

I do think you are interchanging Christianity, Catholicism and religon quite randomly, hopefully for rhetorical reasons and not because you don't know any better.

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 8:47pm:

Those good secularists - where did they get their ideas from? A collective dream? No. They got them from one J. Christ (a jew, God help him) who said, according to an influential book : Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's. And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace. The horse's mouth, if you'll pardon me, as far as, er, Christianity is concerned, wouldn't you agree?

Pardon the rest of the world for thinking it was a moral tale about pursing piety over wealth.

Do you think Lenin, Stalin and Hitler got their ideas from Jesus and Christianity too? I mean, they were all Christians, weren’t they, at some time in their lives?

What about Plato when he was watching the Athenians condemn Socrates to death for preaching against the gods, do you think he thought. ‘Gotta go with the pious ones running the state… Lucky we haven’t got a long haired bloke in the crowd rabbiting on about Caesars – whatever they are - and coins… or none of this would be happening”.

Lenin never was a Christian, get your facts right. Stalin and Hitler were not secularists either, their cults were not separable from The State. They all were atheists.

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 9:23pm:

Lenin never was a Christian, get your facts right. Stalin and Hitler were not secularists either, their cults were not separable from The State. They all were atheists.

Just like the founding fathers of the US.

Lenin was born Russian Orthodox... He'd have no doubt heard the bible stories...

They were all Christians at some time in their lives... do you think Christianity inspired their atheisim and extreme political ideals?

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 9:29pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:23pm: Lenin never was a Christian, get your facts right. Stalin and Hitler were not secularists either, their cults were not separable from The State. They all were atheists. Just like the founding fathers of the US. Lenin was born Russian Orthodox... He'd have no doubt heard the bible stories... They were all Christians at some time in their lives... do you think Christianity inspired their atheisim and extreme political ideals?

Lenin's parents were not Christian. His mother was Bavarian Illuminati and his father was Calmyk.

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 9:33pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:29pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:23pm: Lenin never was a Christian, get your facts right. Stalin and Hitler were not secularists either, their cults were not separable from The State. They all were atheists. Just like the founding fathers of the US. Lenin was born Russian Orthodox... He'd have no doubt heard the bible stories... They were all Christians at some time in their lives... do you think Christianity inspired their atheisim and extreme political ideals? Lenin's parents were not Christian. His mother was Bavarian Illuminati and his father was Calmyk.

He was baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church.

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 9:40pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:33pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:29pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:23pm: Lenin never was a Christian, get your facts right. Stalin and Hitler were not secularists either, their cults were not separable from The State. They all were atheists. Just like the founding fathers of the US. Lenin was born Russian Orthodox... He'd have no doubt heard the bible stories... They were all Christians at some time in their lives... do you think Christianity inspired their atheisim and extreme political ideals? Lenin's parents were not Christian. His mother was Bavarian Illuminati and his father was Calmyk. He was baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church.

When and where?

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 9:43pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:40pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:33pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:29pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:23pm: Lenin never was a Christian, get your facts right. Stalin and Hitler were not secularists either, their cults were not separable from The State. They all were atheists. Just like the founding fathers of the US. Lenin was born Russian Orthodox... He'd have no doubt heard the bible stories... They were all Christians at some time in their lives... do you think Christianity inspired their atheisim and extreme political ideals? Lenin's parents were not Christian. His mother was Bavarian Illuminati and his father was Calmyk. He was baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church. When and where?

It was a cloudy day, that May 16th 1870, when little Vladimir  was baptized into the Orthodox Church of St Nicholas in Simbirsk...  

That'd be why the Russian OIrthodox Church was asked for permission to bury him in an Orthodox cemetary.

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 9:51pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:43pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:40pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:33pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:29pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:23pm: Lenin never was a Christian, get your facts right. Stalin and Hitler were not secularists either, their cults were not separable from The State. They all were atheists. Just like the founding fathers of the US. Lenin was born Russian Orthodox... He'd have no doubt heard the bible stories... They were all Christians at some time in their lives... do you think Christianity inspired their atheisim and extreme political ideals? Lenin's parents were not Christian. His mother was Bavarian Illuminati and his father was Calmyk. He was baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church. When and where? It was a cloudy day, that May 16th 1870, when little Vladimir  was baptized into the Orthodox Church of St Nicholas in Simbirsk...   That'd be why the Russian OIrthodox Church was asked for permission to bury him in an Orthodox cemetary.

It never happened, there is no records. The ROC considers him Antichrist according to their rules.  

tallowood wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 10:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:51pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:43pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:40pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:33pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:29pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:23pm: Lenin never was a Christian, get your facts right. Stalin and Hitler were not secularists either, their cults were not separable from The State. They all were atheists. Just like the founding fathers of the US. Lenin was born Russian Orthodox... He'd have no doubt heard the bible stories... They were all Christians at some time in their lives... do you think Christianity inspired their atheisim and extreme political ideals? Lenin's parents were not Christian. His mother was Bavarian Illuminati and his father was Calmyk. He was baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church. When and where? It was a cloudy day, that May 16th 1870, when little Vladimir  was baptized into the Orthodox Church of St Nicholas in Simbirsk...   That'd be why the Russian OIrthodox Church was asked for permission to bury him in an Orthodox cemetary. It never happened, there is no records. The ROC considers him Antichrist according to their rules.

Those bloody aliens again... Or Lenin's communists destroying records (if there in fact is no extant record). It seems to be a commonly held opinion that he was baptized RO... And that would probably something even the ROC would like to be forgotten, if it could.

So that's Lenin, Stalin and Hitler... Thank ya Jesus... Amen.

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 9:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 8:47pm: Those good secularists - where did they get their ideas from? A collective dream? No. They got them from one J. Christ (a jew, God help him) who said, according to an influential book : Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's. And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace. The horse's mouth, if you'll pardon me, as far as, er, Christianity is concerned, wouldn't you agree? Pardon the rest of the world for thinking it was a moral tale about pursing piety over wealth.

helian,

I thought the lesson Jesus gave here, was more about politics and power [and exposing the rank hypocrisy demonstrated by men, in their pursuit of political power power] ,
....rather than a lesson about 'pursing piety'?

"....And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?"







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Do you think Lenin, Stalin and Hitler got their ideas from Jesus and Christianity too? I mean, they were all Christians, weren’t they, at some time in their lives?

And using that logic, the main influence on Jesus life was his Jewish upbringing?

i.e. Jesus was a Jew [not a 'Christian']?

And Jesus life demonstrates the influence an individual can have upon those who come after him, when they view his / her example.

And we could argue that those influences which worked upon Jesus life, and later upon the 'Christian' world, were ultimately, Jewish influences?

I mean, how far down the rabbit hole of that logic do you want to go back?




As supposed adults isn't it clear to us, that each of us is responsible for our own path, no matter what diverse influences tend to work upon us?

Because in the end we choose, to what extent, we give power [or credence] to the 'influences' in our lives.

And doesn't the history of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler,  .....and Jesus, confirm this truth?

Yadda wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 12:57pm:

helian, I thought the lesson Jesus gave here, was more about politics and power [and exposing the rank hypocrisy demonstrated by men, in their pursuit of political power power] , ....rather than a lesson about 'pursing piety'? "....And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men. Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?"

Apart from returning his currency to him – thus implying forsaking wealth and a rejection of all things Caesarian - did Jesus define Caesar’s authority over Jews?

And in whom was power vested according to Jesus?

For thine [god the father] is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. Matthew 6:13


Yadda wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 12:57pm:

I mean, how far down the rabbit hole of that logic do you want to go back?

Yes, that was my point.

Secularists reacted against the presumptions of Christians that Christianity had a right to temporal power and not because they (secularists) happened to be born Christians… most had rejected Christianity outright.

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9^th, 2009 at 11:25pm:

tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 10:04pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:51pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:43pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:40pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:33pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:29pm: tallowood wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 9:23pm: Lenin never was a Christian, get your facts right. Stalin and Hitler were not secularists either, their cults were not separable from The State. They all were atheists. Just like the founding fathers of the US. Lenin was born Russian Orthodox... He'd have no doubt heard the bible stories... They were all Christians at some time in their lives... do you think Christianity inspired their atheisim and extreme political ideals? Lenin's parents were not Christian. His mother was Bavarian Illuminati and his father was Calmyk. He was baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church. When and where? It was a cloudy day, that May 16th 1870, when little Vladimir  was baptized into the Orthodox Church of St Nicholas in Simbirsk...   That'd be why the Russian OIrthodox Church was asked for permission to bury him in an Orthodox cemetary. It never happened, there is no records. The ROC considers him Antichrist according to their rules.   Those bloody aliens again... Or Lenin's communists destroying records (if there in fact is no extant record). It seems to be a commonly held opinion that he was baptized RO... And that would probably something even the ROC would like to be forgotten, if it could. So that's Lenin, Stalin and Hitler... Thank ya Jesus... Amen.

"god doesn't exist" so don't Lenin's religious records. Atheism snookered again.  ;)

BTW, atheism does not exist either because all atheist are theists  :D :D :D :D

Not being overly familiar with religions - the Russian Orthodox church is just a breakaway from Judaism - isn't it?

That means Lenin and Stalin are both Jewish descendants - Stalin married 3 Jewesses, so he must have had something to do with the religion.

I've just read up on the Bilderberg connection to the Club of Rome to the Trilateral Commission. In regard to the Illuminati - is this a doctrine of Judaism?

It looks as though Jews already run the world.

mantra wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 10:17pm:

Not being overly familiar with religions - the Russian Orthodox church is just a breakaway from Judaism - isn't it?

Russian Orthodoxy is a form of Christianity.

mantra wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 10:17pm:

Not being overly familiar with religions - the Russian Orthodox church is just a breakaway from Judaism - isn't it? That means Lenin and Stalin are both Jewish descendants - Stalin married 3 Jewesses, so he must have had something to do with the religion. I've just read up on the Bilderberg connection to the Club of Rome to the Trilateral Commission. In regard to the Illuminati - is this a doctrine of Judaism? It looks as though Jews already run the world.

Everybody is a Jew  so yes, Jews already run the world  ;)

mantra wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 10:17pm:

Not being overly familiar with religions - the Russian Orthodox church is just a breakaway from Judaism - isn't it? That means Lenin and Stalin are both Jewish descendants - Stalin married 3 Jewesses, so he must have had something to do with the religion. I've just read up on the Bilderberg connection to the Club of Rome to the Trilateral Commission. In regard to the Illuminati - is this a doctrine of Judaism? It looks as though Jews already run the world.

And of curse you are a jew. We can read your avatar - black pointy hat, black caftan - the outft of the medieval witch familiar from Hansel and Gretel - the jewess who drank children's blood. The witch of the fairytale - black outfit, big nose, scheming, shapeshifting black cat that is the devil's mistress herself,  getaway broom - your avatar is your calling card. No use feigning ignorance, we know you are a jew. And if Borat were here, he'd throw you down the well.

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 10:25pm:

Russian Orthodoxy is a form of Christianity.

According to some articles - it's infiltrated with Jews who want to adhere to the old rules of Judaism.  


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Secularised Jews who no longer observe the faith nonetheless may recognise the tremendous human significance of traditional Jewish religious values . In this sense the term iudei, conventionally applied in Russia to those who practise the Jewish faith, is too narrow a term to denote the wider concept of evreistvo ('Jewry'), as understood by today's Orthodox Christian. Moreover, the very meaning of the word iudei taken in its historical and religious context is complex and contradictory enough. For this reason we prefer to use the wider term evrei, even though this term does not remove a whole series of difficulties when considering the complexities of Judeo-Christian relations

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Everybody is a Jew  so yes, Jews already run the world

You might find it a joke Tallow - but this world order, which I originally thought was something only a few decades old has turned out to be some dangerous ideology that the Jews have been cultivating for more than a century - possibly longer.  I just haven't read any further back yet.

mantra wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 10:42pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 10th, 2009 at 10:25pm: Russian Orthodoxy is a form of Christianity. According to some articles - it's infiltrated with Jews who want to adhere to the old rules of Judaism.   Quote: Secularised Jews who no longer observe the faith nonetheless may recognise the tremendous human significance of traditional Jewish religious values . In this sense the term iudei, conventionally applied in Russia to those who practise the Jewish faith, is too narrow a term to denote the wider concept of evreistvo ('Jewry'), as understood by today's Orthodox Christian. Moreover, the very meaning of the word iudei taken in its historical and religious context is complex and contradictory enough. For this reason we prefer to use the wider term evrei, even though this term does not remove a whole series of difficulties when considering the complexities of Judeo-Christian relations [quote]Everybody is a Jew  so yes, Jews already run the world

You might find it a joke Tallow - but this world order, which I originally thought was something only a few decades old has turned out to be some dangerous ideology that the Jews have been cultivating for more than a century - possibly longer.  I just haven't read that far back yet.[/quote]

What you wrote above proves my point. Mantra you are a Jew because only Jews keep going on about Jews.  :-*

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 10:34pm:

And of curse you are a jew. We can read your avatar - black pointy hat, black caftan - the outft of the medieval witch familiar from Hansel and Gretel - the jewess who drank children's blood. The witch of the fairytale - black outfit, big nose, scheming, shapeshifting black cat that is the devil's mistress herself,  getaway broom - your avatar is your calling card. No use feigning ignorance, we know you are a jew. And if Borat were here, he'd throw you down the well.

This is interesting Soren.  Do Jews hate witches as much as Christians used to?  If it's any consolation I only practise white magic.

Here's a spell especially for you Soren..

How to make lots of money

Green candle anointed w/ pine oil.
Sweet basil (1tbsp of basil in right hand.)
Pine incense (Pass the basil over the altar candles and the green candle and incense 3 times and sprinkle basil around the green candle.)
Green silk pouch
White altar candles anointed w/ sandalwood oil
5 pennies, 4 old, 1 new.
Salt Water
Orange candle annointed w/ basil oil
Parchment
Pine incense

On a waxing moon, set the altar in the east of your circle. This will need to be left up for a full waxing cycle. You will need easy access to a door. Take a new penny in your hand, Circle the altar deosil (clockwise) and say

"Bring to me what I see By thy power, Hecate,"

Spin rapidly and go outside and toss the new penny in the air. Wherever it lands, bury all 5 pennies, saying:

"I give thee money - Hecate
Return to me prosperity.
I give thee five
Return by three
As I will
So mote it be."

Return to your altar and snuff out the candles. Next week, at the same day and time, return to your altar with your talisman bag and the parchment. Light the orange candle. Visualize money flowing onto the altar. Unearth the coins and bring them to the altar. Wash them in the chalice water to purify them. Pass them through the incense smoke and the fire from the orange candle. Place each coin in the talisman pouch, old coins first. Add nine pieces of rock salt, close the mouth of the talisman pouch and face east and say:

"Bring to me what I see
By thy power Hecate.
Altar power Must it be
Earth and Air
Fire and Sea
Bring to me What I see
By thy power Hecate."

Place the bag inside your clothing and wear it every day for 7 days. Leave it on your altar every night visualizing prosperity. On the 7th day, hide it in the eastern portion of your house.

Before you know it - you'll be as rich as Midas.

Some Jews have a sexual intercourse with witches to produce Mohammedans and Atheists. This facts are proved by the past existence of Mohammed, Lenin, Stalin and Mao.

tallowood wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 11:05pm:

Some Jews have a sexual intercourse with witches to produce Mohammedans and Atheists. This facts are proved by the past existence of Mohammed, Lenin, Stalin and Mao.

Interesting Tallow - and I'd believe it too.  I stumbled on this article the other day which indicates anything is possible.

The EU: Fathered by Bilderberg-Capitalism - Mothered by Soviet-Communism - Married to Islam - Children: Dictatorship and Corruption

mantra wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 11:25pm:

tallowood wrote on May 10th, 2009 at 11:05pm: Some Jews have a sexual intercourse with witches to produce Mohammedans and Atheists. This facts are proved by the past existence of Mohammed, Lenin, Stalin and Mao. Interesting Tallow - and I'd believe it too.  I stumbled on this article the other day which indicates anything is possible. The EU: Fathered by Bilderberg-Capitalism - Mothered by Soviet-Communism - Married to Islam - Children: Dictatorship and Corruption

I read the translation from an old Soviet communist book last year where the author explains the term "head screwing". Apparently that's how bad  Jews do it . They actually drill hole through the scull and insert their penises there to produce atheists. That's how they made Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao as well as Hoxha, Ayer, Bakunin, Dawkins etc..

What a storm in a teacup.



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A HOTEL in Austria has outraged local tourism and fellow hotel owners by banning Jewish guests. The Haus Sonnenhof apartment hotel in the village of Serfaus, Tyrol, is said to have turned away a Jewish family because of "bad experiences" in the past, the daily Tiroler Tageszeitung reports. The hotel owner allegedly emailed the family and told them although the room was free, she did want to take in Jewish guests. The Haus Sonnenhof's reaction has angered other hotels in Serfaus, which has become popular with orthodox Jewish tourists in recent years. Pictures: World's hottest hotels 2009 "One such incident could destroy all the hard work by others in the travel industry," Hotel Alpenruh-Micheluzzi owner Petra Micheluzzi told the German Press Agency, DPA. She said this was a view echoed by local and regional tourism officials. The father of the rejected Jewish family has reportedly shunned the village of Serfaus and taken the family elsewhere to holiday. "I don't want to spend my vacation in such a racist nest, and I will inform all my friends about what is going on in Tyrol," he told DPA.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25459759-12377,00.html

This would happen all the time to Muslims and blacks and no-one would blink an eye.

The hotel will be ostracised now by the locals and the Jews will punish the town by shunning it, although everyone should have the right to choose who they serve. There was a huge uproar here a couple of years when some pub banned maoris because of previous problems.  These people are doing the same thing - they've had bad experiences and don't want them repeated.

Typical of the undercurrent anti-Semitism still alive and well in Austria.

Never mind that some of the worst Nazis were Austrian (Eichmann and Amon Göth for example).

The Americans let Austria off... It should have been forced to deal with its past like Germany had to.

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 11^th, 2009 at 10:49am:

Typical of the undercurrent anti-Semitism still alive and well in Austria. Never mind that some of the worst Nazis were Austrian (Eichmann and Amon Göth for example). The Americans let Austria off... It should have been forced to deal with its past like Germany had to.

I think this is the whole point of this thread.  We can be anti-Muslim or racist, but when it comes to being anti-semitic it is socially unacceptable and not PC.  As far as Germany dealing with its past - what other nation has had to give a persecuted people so much because of one crazy leader.  This has also caused enormous suffering to the Germans.

mantra wrote on May 11^th, 2009 at 12:12pm:

As far as Germany dealing with its past - what other nation has had to give a persecuted people so much because of one crazy leader.  This has also caused enormous suffering to the Germans.

It was a very wise decision by Germany's post-war leaders to go as far as they did by acknowledging Germany's guilt and with accepting harsh reparations.

History will always be harsh in its judgement of Germany between 1933 and 1945, but it will also remember that the post-war German people took up their burden and began their atonement.

Austrians? They can barely face that they were essentially allied to Germany... Austrians love persecuting auslanders.

And 60 years on they're still demanding compensation even though they signed an agreement to state they had been fully paid.  How long will it take before Germany will be forgiven?


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Tel Aviv - Children of Holocaust survivors in Israel aim to file suit in an Israeli court seeking compensation from Germany for their suffering as the 'second generation,' it was reported Friday. Haaretz newspaper said a suit would be filed in the Tel Aviv district court on Sunday, with the plaintiffs to demand that their suffering be recognized. The paper cites the suit as saying that 'both the experiences of the second generation as well as studies show that the trauma has been passed on between the generations.' So far, some 3,000 Israelis had joined in the initiative, which is believed to be without precedent. Haaretz said the plaintiffs would seek to force Germany to pay for the costs of their therapy they were undergoing for the problems resulting from being the follow-up generation to the original Holocaust victims. The suit will cite the cases of five women whose parents had survived the Holocaust, who to this day suffer anxiety attacks and depression. In one case, a 55-year-old woman claims she is unable to ride a bus because it reminds her of the trains used to transport Jews to the death camps. Another woman cites her great fear of dogs.

mantra wrote on May 11^th, 2009 at 2:08pm:

And 60 years on they're still demanding compensation even though they signed an agreement to state they had been fully paid.  How long will it take before Germany will be forgiven? [quote]Tel Aviv - Children of Holocaust survivors in Israel aim to file suit in an Israeli court seeking compensation from Germany for their suffering as the 'second generation,' it was reported Friday. Haaretz newspaper said a suit would be filed in the Tel Aviv district court on Sunday, with the plaintiffs to demand that their suffering be recognized. The paper cites the suit as saying that 'both the experiences of the second generation as well as studies show that the trauma has been passed on between the generations.' So far, some 3,000 Israelis had joined in the initiative, which is believed to be without precedent. Haaretz said the plaintiffs would seek to force Germany to pay for the costs of their therapy they were undergoing for the problems resulting from being the follow-up generation to the original Holocaust victims. The suit will cite the cases of five women whose parents had survived the Holocaust, who to this day suffer anxiety attacks and depression. In one case, a 55-year-old woman claims she is unable to ride a bus because it reminds her of the trains used to transport Jews to the death camps. Another woman cites her great fear of dogs.

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The blood suckers of society, a woman born at least  9 years after an event has bad memories of that event, what the!

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 9:03pm:

Yadda wrote on May 10th, 2009 at 12:57pm: helian, I thought the lesson Jesus gave here, was more about politics and power [and exposing the rank hypocrisy demonstrated by men, in their pursuit of political power power] , ....rather than a lesson about 'pursing piety'? "....And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men. Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?" Apart from returning his currency to him – thus implying forsaking wealth and a rejection of all things Caesarian - did Jesus define Caesar’s authority over Jews? And in whom was power vested according to Jesus? For thine [god the father] is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. Matthew 6:13

helian,

Jesus also said....

John 18:36
.....My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.



John the baptist said....

John 3:28
Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29  He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30  He must increase, but I must decrease.
31  He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.








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Yadda wrote on May 10th, 2009 at 12:57pm: I mean, how far down the rabbit hole of that logic do you want to go back? Yes, that was my point. Secularists reacted against the presumptions of Christians that Christianity had a right to temporal power and not because they (secularists) happened to be born Christians… most had rejected Christianity outright.

Again, John 18:36

Personally, i believe that this this life, is where we have come to make choices, and to so demonstrate our understanding [or not!] of the consequences, of all of our choices.

Sure, we can grasp for temporal power while we are here.

But is that our 'spiritual' purpose, in being here?

I don't believe so.

And this brings us back to that truth which Buddhism declares.....
"To live is to suffer."

And, right or wrong, it seems that, that is our 'burden' here.



But why the suffering?

At a guess, so that we as 'children' learn, from our direct experiences [and mistakes!!].

Like Billy Joel said in one of his songs....

'We're only human, we're supposed to make mistakes.'

Meditate on those words!       ::)i

But conversely, many muslims do believe that all secular power, is a consequential blessing from their God.

Muslims believe that those who have temporal [worldly, secular!! ] power, have been blessed by God.

My dear muslim brother, if you want to believe that, i wish i could dissuade you from your philosophy, because you are mistaken [in my opinion].

I would rather suggest that those who do have temporal, worldly, power, are being tested in this life.


"If you want to know a man's character, give him power."
Abraham Lincoln





What we believe, directs our choices.
.....choices, which we are all free to make.

Greens are poo suckers of society, they paint poo green and then suck it.
Zionists are great they plant trees while muslim burn them. Greens suck up to muslims.
Hurray to Zionizm. Down with poo sucking greens.  ;)

Yep the jews love you tallow, or is that it, are you one of those christian haters?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Orthodox Jewish youths burn New Testaments in Or Yehuda

Orthodox Jews set fire to hundreds of copies of the New Testament in the latest act of violence against Christian missionaries in the Holy Land.

Or Yehuda Deputy Mayor Uzi Aharon said missionaries recently entered a
neighborhood in the predominantly religious town of 34,000 in central Israel, distributing hundreds of New Testaments and missionary material.
After receiving complaints, Aharon said, he got into a loudspeaker car last Thursday and drove through the neighborhood, urging people to turn over the material to Jewish religious students who went door to door to collect it.

"The books were dumped into a pile and set afire in a lot near a synagogue," he said.

The newspaper Maariv reported Tuesday that hundreds of yeshiva students took part in the book-burning. But Aharon told The Associated Press that only a few students were present, and that he was not there when the books were torched.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356723,00.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/985362.html


Think about this the next time you hear a jew whining about how the Nazi's burned books and when you hear a jew preaching about religious tolerance, never forget that they are preaching that you tolerate their hatred for you.

tallowood wrote on May 11^th, 2009 at 7:59pm:

Greens are poo suckers of society, they paint poo green and then suck it. Zionists are great they plant trees while muslim burn them. Greens suck up to muslims. Hurray to Zionizm. Down with poo sucking greens.  ;)

Zionists plant trees and steal water from their neighbours to keep them alive.  The Greens believe that everyone should have a little water - not just those who are so greedy that they live in rich and lush surroundings with their brothels and nuclear weapons while the children of their neighbours starve and drink dirty, filthy waste water and live under the constant bombardment of the IDF.


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Think about this the next time you hear a jew whining about how the Nazi's burned books and when you hear a jew preaching about religious tolerance, never forget that they are preaching that you tolerate their hatred for you.

They have no tolerance for anyone else Skippy.  Even in NSW they've built some sort of huge fence (forgotten the name) around two wealthy suburbs much to the horror of their neighbours.  Again if Muslims had done this - wouldn't it have caused some controversy?  I used to live in a suburb close to St. Ives and it was such a beautiful new development - tasteful in every way, but it is now considered a Jewish enclave.  We can't determine how many Jews there are in Australia because many of them won't state openly they are Jewish.

Why is that?  If they weren't ashamed they would be shouting their religion from the rooftops - instead they have infiltrated our society by stealth.  They are Robin Hoods in reverse.

Now a jewish woman is banned from doing a play because some jews say it's anti semetic, wtf,

A JEWISH star of stage and screen in Australia is stunned that a Jewish charity has cancelled her appearance because she is appearing in a play critical of Israel's actions in Gaza.

British actress Miriam Margolyes, who has appeared in numerous plays and films in Britain and Australia, was due to entertain residents at a Jewish Care old people's home today.

But late yesterday she got a call asking her not to turn up.

She believes it is because she is appearing in a play titled Seven Jewish Children next week, organised by the lobby group Australians for Palestine.

"I wouldn't dream of appearing in anything that was anti-semitic, I loathe anti-semitism,'' she said.

"But I equally loathe any fascist attempt to muzzle dialogue about the situation in the Middle East, which is catastrophic.

"I think Jewish Care have made a dreadful mistake, and I'm sorry because I'm a supporter of Jewish Care and they run a wonderful home there.''

She believed the eight-minute play, also featuring prominent actor Max Gillies, had been labelled anti-semitic because it accused Israel of making mistakes in its dealings with Palestinians.

The play features seven families and travels through history, starting with the Holocaust and finishes with a contemporary situation in Gaza.

"It's not in any way anti-semitic but it's highly critical of certain Israeli positions,'' Ms Margolyes said.

She added if Jewish Care were to invite her again, she would happily attend.

Jewish Care provides a range of residential care along with support services for elderly Jews still living independently.

Comment is being sought from Jewish Care

so this jewish woman is anti herself hey tallow?

this is a very interesting thread.

mantra wrote on May 12^th, 2009 at 9:59am:

tallowood wrote on May 11th, 2009 at 7:59pm: Greens are poo suckers of society, they paint poo green and then suck it. Zionists are great they plant trees while muslim burn them. Greens suck up to muslims. Hurray to Zionizm. Down with poo sucking greens.  ;) Zionists plant trees and steal water from their neighbours to keep them alive.  The Greens believe that everyone should have a little water - not just those who are so greedy that they live in rich and lush surroundings with their brothels and nuclear weapons while the children of their neighbours starve and drink dirty, filthy waste water and live under the constant bombardment of the IDF. Quote: Think about this the next time you hear a jew whining about how the Nazi's burned books and when you hear a jew preaching about religious tolerance, never forget that they are preaching that you tolerate their hatred for you. They have no tolerance for anyone else Skippy.  Even in NSW they've built some sort of huge fence (forgotten the name) around two wealthy suburbs much to the horror of their neighbours.  Again if Muslims had done this - wouldn't it have caused some controversy?  I used to live in a suburb close to St. Ives and it was such a beautiful new development - tasteful in every way, but it is now considered a Jewish enclave.  We can't determine how many Jews there are in Australia because many of them won't state openly they are Jewish. Why is that?  If they weren't ashamed they would be shouting their religion from the rooftops - instead they have infiltrated our society by stealth.  They are Robin Hoods in reverse.

Zionists don't steal water they are not thieving greens, zionists use water that is on their land.

BTW, while burning bibles is silly just because some overzealous people allegedly did it the excuse " Nazi's burned books" only highlights intolerance of murderous green atheists and proves that they are really brown.

Do you know that biggest mass murderous of the 20th century are atheists? Yes and that is a lot worse then burning any books though not in the green's books of course.

tallowood wrote on May 12^th, 2009 at 11:38am:

mantra wrote on May 12th, 2009 at 9:59am: tallowood wrote on May 11th, 2009 at 7:59pm: Greens are poo suckers of society, they paint poo green and then suck it. Zionists are great they plant trees while muslim burn them. Greens suck up to muslims. Hurray to Zionizm. Down with poo sucking greens.  ;) Zionists plant trees and steal water from their neighbours to keep them alive.  The Greens believe that everyone should have a little water - not just those who are so greedy that they live in rich and lush surroundings with their brothels and nuclear weapons while the children of their neighbours starve and drink dirty, filthy waste water and live under the constant bombardment of the IDF. Quote: Think about this the next time you hear a jew whining about how the Nazi's burned books and when you hear a jew preaching about religious tolerance, never forget that they are preaching that you tolerate their hatred for you. They have no tolerance for anyone else Skippy.  Even in NSW they've built some sort of huge fence (forgotten the name) around two wealthy suburbs much to the horror of their neighbours.  Again if Muslims had done this - wouldn't it have caused some controversy?  I used to live in a suburb close to St. Ives and it was such a beautiful new development - tasteful in every way, but it is now considered a Jewish enclave.  We can't determine how many Jews there are in Australia because many of them won't state openly they are Jewish. Why is that?  If they weren't ashamed they would be shouting their religion from the rooftops - instead they have infiltrated our society by stealth.  They are Robin Hoods in reverse. Zionists don't steal water they are not thieving greens, zionists use water that is on their land. BTW, while burning bibles is silly just because some overzealous people allegedly did it the excuse " Nazi's burned books" only highlights intolerance of murderous green atheists and proves that they are really brown. Do you know that biggest mass murderous of the 20th century are atheists? Yes and that is a lot worse then burning any books though not in the green's books of course.

You arn't too keen on facts are you tallowood?

wrote on May 12^th, 2009 at 12:56pm:

tallowood wrote on May 12th, 2009 at 11:38am: mantra wrote on May 12th, 2009 at 9:59am: tallowood wrote on May 11th, 2009 at 7:59pm: Greens are poo suckers of society, they paint poo green and then suck it. Zionists are great they plant trees while muslim burn them. Greens suck up to muslims. Hurray to Zionizm. Down with poo sucking greens.  ;) Zionists plant trees and steal water from their neighbours to keep them alive.  The Greens believe that everyone should have a little water - not just those who are so greedy that they live in rich and lush surroundings with their brothels and nuclear weapons while the children of their neighbours starve and drink dirty, filthy waste water and live under the constant bombardment of the IDF. Quote: Think about this the next time you hear a jew whining about how the Nazi's burned books and when you hear a jew preaching about religious tolerance, never forget that they are preaching that you tolerate their hatred for you. They have no tolerance for anyone else Skippy.  Even in NSW they've built some sort of huge fence (forgotten the name) around two wealthy suburbs much to the horror of their neighbours.  Again if Muslims had done this - wouldn't it have caused some controversy?  I used to live in a suburb close to St. Ives and it was such a beautiful new development - tasteful in every way, but it is now considered a Jewish enclave.  We can't determine how many Jews there are in Australia because many of them won't state openly they are Jewish. Why is that?  If they weren't ashamed they would be shouting their religion from the rooftops - instead they have infiltrated our society by stealth.  They are Robin Hoods in reverse. Zionists don't steal water they are not thieving greens, zionists use water that is on their land. BTW, while burning bibles is silly just because some overzealous people allegedly did it the excuse " Nazi's burned books" only highlights intolerance of murderous green atheists and proves that they are really brown. Do you know that biggest mass murderous of the 20th century are atheists? Yes and that is a lot worse then burning any books though not in the green's books of course. You arn't too keen on facts are you tallowood?

You are keen on denial, skippy.

Atheist Joseph Stalin killed more people in his lifetime than did the Spanish Inquisition in three centuries. And it was not just Stalin who was responsible for the bloodbaths of the twentieth century: Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, both Kims, Ho, Castro, Ceausescu, and Honecker were also atheists.

I love it when rightards are clearly shown to be wrong they change the subject, a thread on jews becomes a thread on atheists as tallow grasps for straws, well done straw man.

wrote on May 12^th, 2009 at 3:05pm:

I love it when rightards are clearly shown to be wrong they change the subject, a thread on jews becomes a thread on atheists as tallow grasps for straws, well done straw man.

I've learn the trick from leftard green atheists so it doesn't come as a surprise that you love it.  ;)