Claims Victorian fires were the result of climate change


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The Climate Institute says the devastating Victorian bushfires were the direct result of climate change. The Institute says the conditions which caused the severity of the fires - the extreme heat, the low humidity, wind speed and the drought in Victoria - are all the result of global warming. The Institute's CEO John Connor told AM's Michael Vincent the catastrophic bushfire conditions had been predicted for several years and he says they'll continue unless global greenhouse gas emissions are cut....

Anti-abortionist Nalliah jumped on the band wagon first and now an environmentalist uses the bushfire to peddle his cause.

environmentalism may be one of the better religions.

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Enviormentalism is just a bunch of people shitting bricks over one of the many ways we could die. See, the problem is most people are stupid! And don't realize just how easy it is for our human race to go extinct.

Could be the destruction of our ozone layer, and the ultraviolet ways just bleach us right out of existence
Could be an alien virus that our immune system just can't handle
Could be an asteroid big enough to cause not only massive collisson damage, but flooding, an influx of natural disastors, and a new ice age from all the debree
Could be a nuclear war that grows out of control and they invent some super nuke that doesn't stop killing
Could be some divine poo that our science can't even begin to understand
Could be something else none of us even thought of

There are so many smacking ways for us to die. And yet none of them have happened. It's safe to assume that human beings are increddibly adaptable and tougher then we give ourselves credit for. But it does make you believe in some sortof God the more you realize how cold and bleak the universe is... and yet you're safe...

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Now, global warming? There's only four scenarios.

Either we do nothing, and there is no problem. Hooray! The rightwing pundits were correct! The economy's doing better, progress regins supreme!

Either we do something, and there was no problem. This sucks! We're going through another depression, in debt up to our eyeballs... But nothing we havn't dealt with before...

Either we do nothing, and we're wrong. And there is noone around to say I told you so. Either they're all dead, or too busy trying desperately to survive. Life as we know it ends. Technology is crippled, nations are forgotten, panic and death run rampant. The horrors of economic recesscion look like a trip to Vegas compared to this!

Either we do something, and we're right. And it sucks. We have barely anything. But atleast we're alive... Cause we prepared...

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Given our options, and given the possibilities... I'd rather look like a fool then look like a smacking body floating in dirty water like a Katrina victim.

You can call it fearmongering. But the reality is bad poo not only can happen, there is a huge probability bad poo will happen! Maybe not as extreme as films like The Day After Tommorow... but we've seen entire cities go into ruins by just one incident. Immagine that sortof thing happening on a global scale. The only thing is I don't trust sissy faggot leftwingers to be by my side when the end of the world goes down.

I want some fat redneck who has a bomb shelter, a gun rack, and slutty hillbilly daughters willing to bugger me raw so we can repopulate the Earth as it be God's will.

Rather then some pretencious hippy who wants to share his granola bars with the black people to makeup for whitey's evil, and scratching his head trying to figureout how to give his wife an abortion because "these appacalyptic times are too depressing to bring a child into this world waaaaahhhh!!!"

What I'm trying to say is I deeply consider the green position and take it seriously. But I do not like the sortof people who hold the position. They are not fit to be survivalists!

Your last line  is interesting jim, you could replace the word green with christian, muslim or even neo con and I could agree.
Or you could take it that god will only let the true "green" believers survive.

There is a contagious disease on this forum. It's called ACRIS or auto cranial-rectal insertion syndrome.

I never thought I'd see stereotyping to this degree outside a kindergarten class. All environmentalists are what is it? lefty faggoty tree hugging limp wristed....

I give up. This forum is populated by the extremes, ranging from those suffering from age-related necrosis of the brain (possibly also caused by giardia from polluted river water) to snot nosed american teenagers who flunked out on potty training.  Then we have the holier than thou soap-box preachers, and the insanely 'proud to be nazi'.

FD, can you please remove my profile and my moderator status?

If this is board is a microcosm of the great unwashed Australia, then the current financial analysts have it all wrong in their predictions for this country. They predict that things will get worse before they get better.

This selection of muppets would certainly guarantee the first part as a consequence of their dysfunction, but the bit about getting better is optimistic beyond credulity.  

Well if we'd all see religion for what it is - "IDEALISM" - , then maybe we'd see things in a bit more persepective as a whole.

Yes it's all an idealism that will work - but only if you've experienced everything that  I have and in the same way as I have, and upon the supposition that I haven't missed something along the way.
Maybe I have missed something  :-/

I will be very disappointed if Muso leaves, he has shown a level headed consistency, as well as a moderate, and tolerant opinion on nearly every issue he addresses.

Of course it is disappointing to see the level of extreme ideas from many of the posters here, but I think with the anonymity of the web, people tend to take many ideas to far greater extremes, than they would in any face to face debate.

If you do decide to leave, then I would like to thank you for the many highly informative posts that you have made, especially on environmental issues, where your degree of knowledge, and patient explanations, have given me a far better understanding of issues, than I previously did, so THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MUSO.

Now as far as trying to pigeonhole environmentalism as a religion, personally I think it is a pretty feeble contention, and even if some parallels can be drawn, in some areas, for some people, as an over arching description, it is not valid to try and belittle those who care about the environment as doing so despite reason, as a matter of faith.

The reality is, most people who care about the environment do try and research the issues, and choose a stance, based upon the best information, and evidence available.

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FD, can you please remove my profile and my moderator status? If this is board is a microcosm of the great unwashed Australia, then the current financial analysts have it all wrong in their predictions for this country. They predict that things will get worse before they get better. This selection of muppets would certainly guarantee the first part as a consequence of their dysfunction, but the bit about getting better is optimistic beyond credulity.

That's pretty insulting isn't it ex-member Muso?  We're all human beings regardless if some believe they have more brain matter than others.  


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This forum is populated by the extremes, ranging from those suffering from age-related necrosis of the brain (possibly also caused by giardia from polluted river water) to snot nosed american teenagers who flunked out on potty training.  Then we have the holier than thou soap-box preachers, and the insanely 'proud to be nazi'.

I hope you change your mind Muso.  Age-related necrosis isn't that difficult to deal with - it creeps up on you so slowly you don't notice it.

I also agree with Mozzaok in his comments.

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I like the extreme viewpoints. I figure if you're going to believe anything, go all the way. Don't halfass it.

People should say how they really feel. Even if it's insane, minsanthropic, radical poo... And I'm sure anonyminity has something to do with it. But that doesn't make it better to hamper our voices cause some of us are afraid of getting punched in the face.

Ftr, I really do sound like this irl. Which might explain why nobody talks to me at work and I get compared to the unabomber alot!

Yes it would be disappointing if you were to leave muso, I enjoy reading your comments.
You're obviously very intelligent, but intelligence never made anybody right all of the time.

The current phase of Islam debates have become monotonous very quickly and everybody has probably voiced their opinion on that topic many times over, particularly the religious. I'm sure that this is at least partly contributing to your frustration.

So if you've got something to vent, then why not do it on the internet? It's as good a place as any. And besides, you do a good dummy spit when you want to. The one that you directed at Easel that time was a classic.   ;D

If you're leaving, then all the best to you and take care  :)

Muso, don't let a little blasphemy to put you off like that. If anything I said had triggered your decision I apologies. Come back and preach the message of hope please.

I am certain that there are some out there to which environmentalism IS a religion. They talk of Gaia, and the power of crystals etc. I did not consider you in this category. No sensible person would. You have spoken naught but science, on occasion going completely over my head. I was always confident that facts and honesty were your agenda while your detractors seemed to have an agenda BEFORE the science so please feel confident that that came through. Either that or you have completely conned me.

I hope you are just taking a break and will contribute some more. A less general tarring might have been nicer in your farewell but hopefully we'll see back soon.  ;)

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Apparently none of you watch history channel.

There are Biblical predictions of the end of times. And they intertwine with global warming theories and fears. So yeah, maybe the enviormentalists are a religion, but this many people can't be wrong. It seems awfully arrogant, and awfully dangerous to ignore all the warning sides.

Famine
Disease
Death
Destruction

All that poo's going to happen just cause you think you know better..

JP, haven't you noticed that Christianity especially always seems to relate world catastrophies to biblical predictions?
Not quite as threatening as Islam, but they're still trying to use fear to force everybody into following their doctrine.

LOL, oh, the certainty of youth.

Try and think if there has ever been a time in history, where GB's, could not equate circumstances to match predictions?
If you are having trouble, the answer is that there is not.
Always we have had preaching, "the end is nigh", and eventually one will be right, but there is certainly nothing 'holy', or predestined about it.

That is one of the biggest problems with religion, it allows people to absolve themselves of responsibility for their own actions, and that just ain't good enough bucko banzai.

GB=godbotherer