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Title: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by freediver on Feb 12th, 2009 at 2:43pm
I thought this was a joke at first, but he appears to be serious. The more Abu reveals about what he really thinks, the more concerned I get.
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 12:03am:
It's down the bottom, the last comment. So this is the choice Muslims make when torn between the contradictory Koranic commands of defending fellow Muslims no matter what they do and correcting them. abu_rashid wrote on Feb 10th, 2009 at 7:22pm:
Ummmm, what about supporting those who do the right thing and opposing those who do the wrong thing? |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 12th, 2009 at 2:53pm freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 2:43pm:
No different to you defending murderers like the IDF. And I'd hate to remind you, but it wasn't muslims here cheering over the murder of children...that was your fellow non-muslim bigots. And lets not forget that you defended their right to do so. And we're not torn FD, the choice is rather clear. We are more then willing to criticise fellow muslims, no problems their, it is when we are demanded to do so by bigots and Islamophobes such as yourself that we object. You were unwilling or unable to even reign in posters on this very board who cheered the deaths of children...and here you are, like the hypocrite you have proven to be time and time again, demanding that we do what you yourself is unwilling to do. Get real.... freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 2:43pm:
Yes freediver...what about it. how bout you start doing this yourself. You can start with opposing those who killed hundreds of innocent civilians, instead of constantly defending their right to do so. Unless ofcourse you believe that killing civlians, including children, with missiles is 'doing the right thing'. Being the pathetic filth you are...I suspect you actually do. Sad but true. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by freediver on Feb 12th, 2009 at 2:59pm Quote:
Lestat, you are confused. Just because Muslims consider other Muslims their 'fellows' and defend them no matter what, does not mean that non-Muslims will defend non-Muslims no matter what. This is just you projecting your 'us-vs-them' mentality onto other people. Quote:
Yes I believe in freedom of speech. This is a good thing Lestat. It's what allows you get get away with all the crap you post. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:06pm freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 2:59pm:
Yet you refused to condemn them for what was clearly disgusting behavior, yet you demand muslims to do, what you were unwilling to do. That fd, is a hypocrite in anyone's language. freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 2:59pm:
lol...what allows me to get away with my posts is the fact that your pathetic site has only a handful of posters. Your hardly in any position to ban anyone, which is why you don't. But hey..go ahead, ban me if you like....I dare you. Instead of having 10 regular posters...you'll only have 9. D:D:D As for your belief in 'freedom of speech'...no you don't fd, your hypocricy was exposed when you agreed with laws outlawing holocaust denial. Your 'freedom of speech' belief seems to evaporate into thin air then. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by freediver on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:22pm
Lestat do you share Abu's sentiments about Osama?
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Quote me. In fact, try finding where I actually said any of those things you claim. You do have a habbit of making things up as you go along Lestat. I think your claims about freedom of speech and why you are allowed here are a bit ironic given what I actually said on the issue: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1217813944/15#15 Freedom of speech should protect even loonies like the holocaust deniers. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by tallowood on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:34pm
Osama is a scam bag of the first order and those who support or admire him in any way are "despicable creatures" (c) abu, and should be put down together with Osama just as mad dogs should be put down.
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by freediver on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:38pm
Easy there Tallow, lets not get carried away. I know it's a big issue for many people.
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by mantra on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:44pm
Has Bin Laden's "confession" video ever been authenticated? I think not. Rumsfeld by inference implied Bin Laden was behind 9/11. Isn't it incredible how every year some tape of Bin Laden makes it into our media to let us know that he's alive and dangerous - yet we can't find him anywhere.
On June 5, 2006, FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb said, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” This should be headline news worldwide. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the U.S. media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the U.S. media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government sponsored 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government’s account? And on those few rare occasions when a 9/11 dissenter has made it upon the airways, why has the mainstream media ridiculed the guest as a conspiracy nut, rather than listen to the evidence that clearly raises valid questions about the government’s 9/11 account? Why is the Big Media Conglomeration blindly content with the government’s 9/11 story when so much verifiable information to the contrary is available with a few clicks of a computer mouse? Who is it that is controlling the media message, and how is it that the U.S. media has indicted Usama Bin Laden for the events of September 11, 2001, but the U.S. government has not? How is it that the FBI has no “hard evidence” connecting Usama Bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the U.S. media has played the Bin Laden - 9/11 connection story for years now as if it has conclusive evidence that Bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93? |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:45pm freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:22pm:
haha...I'm glad you linked that thread, cause it highlights your hypocricy and double standards. Anyway, I see that you've been selective on which of your quotes you posted. You then did go on to say. "I agree. material published on the website denies the reality of the Holocaust and makes antisemitic statements. " You clearly state here that holocaust denial is not ok, cause anti-semetic statements are not ok. You then when on to argue how making 'anti-semetic' remarks should not be allowed...yet ironically, your all for making anti-muslim remarks. So as you can see, you clearly feel that criticism of muslims is 'freedom of speech'...yet denying the holocaust is 'anti-semetic', and your ideals of 'freedom of speach' mysteriously disapear. Ironically, in the very same thread, you went on to say ... "Islam is a religion. Semite is a race. If someone were to attack Arabs in the same way, the same rules should apply. " "Pretty much. Criticism of religion is fine. Religious discrimination isn't. " Yet when islamophobe's here are advocating that very thing, religous dsicrimination...not only do you not object, no, you actually support thier claims. As I said fd...you don't really believe in freedom of speech...you use it as a facade to hide behind, to attack those you want to attack. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by tallowood on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:48pm freediver wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:38pm:
OK. Osama should be put down as humanly as possible and his admirers should wear hijab in public so we can recognise terrorist supporters. :) |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by tallowood on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:51pm
"Osama has just been placed in a difficult time and set of circumstances that's all, even his former hunter Michael Scheuer claims him to be a great leader. I'm sure if he was born under a Caliphate, he would've been more famous than infamous." (c) abu
That is very one very compelling reason why Caliphate should never rise it's ugly head again. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by freediver on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:53pm Quote:
Maybe it's because they are loonies. Just because someone believes in conspiracy theories doesn't mean you should allow them into your country. Quote:
Plenty of people have posted 9/11 conspiracies on this site. They tend to fall down on obvious technical flaws. Hence the term nut. Quote:
No I do not Lestat. As usual, you completely misunderstand what was posted. It simply does not state that, so I have no idea why you think it 'clearly states that'. You never seem capable of reading what is actually posted. You get these ideas in your head about what other people think, and you believe that, even if the opposite is right in front of your eyes. Even when you quote what I say to back yourself up, you can't get it right. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by freediver on Feb 12th, 2009 at 4:03pm
Lestat do you share Abu's sentiments about Osama?
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by tallowood on Feb 12th, 2009 at 4:11pm
"And on those few rare occasions when a 9/11 dissenter has made it upon the airways, why has the mainstream media ridiculed the guest as a conspiracy nut, rather than listen to the evidence that clearly raises valid questions about the government’s 9/11 account?" (c) lestat
they do the same if a guest would say that it was mohammed the pro doing telekinesis tricks s air planes though it clearly raises valid questions about what really happened. :o |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by abu_rashid on Feb 12th, 2009 at 6:09pm Typical sensationalism by fd. This is right on par with your "Islam and deserts" thread though ;D All I did was echo the observations and analysis of former CIA Bin Laden Unit head, Michael Scheuer, if you have any problem with those views, then feel free to write to Mr Scheuer. Or continue on with your usual sensationalist crap... as we know you will anyway. And as Mantra adeptly pointed out, there's been absolutely no evidence to date presented that conclusively finds him guilty, so about all I'm guilty of is not slandering a potentially innocent man. I can live with that. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by tallowood on Feb 12th, 2009 at 6:39pm
There also been absolutely no evidence to date presented that conclusively finds that allah exist. Can you live with that?
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Grendel on Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:27pm
AQ have already admitted to 9/11 Aboo is on denial drugs.
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by freediver on Feb 13th, 2009 at 11:25am Quote:
Abu, you are defending Osama bin Laden. I did not sensationalise anything. There was no need to. Quote:
Crap Abu. You attempted to use a comment he made to justify your sentiments towards Osama. That is not the same as merely 'echoing observations'. Quote:
Abu it is what you posted I have a problem with. Not what Scheuer said. Stop trying to pretend they are the same. Did Sheuer try to weasel his way out of what he said by claiming he only said it because he didn't know whether Osama was guilty? Quote:
Would your sentiments towards him change if he was behind 9/11? What was with the BS about him being in a 'difficult situation'? Were you trying to justify his facial hair or something? Or were you making excuses for 9/11? |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by locutius on Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:21pm
It's pretty common sense and easy to follow really.
Osama, a peripheral-visionary born in difficult times sits back in his cave and thinks to himself.............Hmmm " There are all these passenger aircraft flying around for trivial reasons, such as the safe conduct of people from one place to another, AND there are all these buildings that require knocking down. How can I best express my civic obligations????" Of course the rest is history for this well meaning man. The Defender and Defended of the Faith. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:28pm locutius wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:21pm:
Its just a shame that you have no idea, and your rather lame attempt at humour, has only managed to reveal your ignorance. First of all Bin Laden was not born 'into difficult times' at all. In fact, he was born into a billionaire family who to this day is one of the richest families in Saudi Arabia (besides of course the Saudi criminal royal family US lackeys). So he wasn't 'sitting in his cave'...most likely 'sitting in his palace', when he decided to forgo this life and defend muslims in Afghanistan against the Russians, with the full backing and support of the US I might add. So less 'attempted humour', and more research huh Locuitus. And just maybe you won't make yourself look so foolish. And given that some of the 'supposed' S11 hijackers were actually found to be still alive, forgive us if we slightly mistrust the US/wests version of events. Then again, such a fact would raise questions to anyone with half a brain or semblence of logic. Then ofcourse, their are those that parrot the official line, despite the refusal of the US to actually provide any evidence. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by freediver on Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:33pm
Lestat do you only defend Osama because you think he wasn't behind 9/11? How would you feel about him if he was?
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by locutius on Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:38pm
;D ;D As usual Lestat you taught me nothing. But many of your most recent posts have kept me in stitches.
Especially the stuff where you couldn't even understand what FD was saying. Priceless. Just no telling what a psychpath will "forgo" in the pursuit of mass murder. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:05pm
Heaven help us if all Muslims are as deluded as you Lestat.
ROTFLMAO I should have know you'd be a conspiranut most ME Muslims are. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html Quote:
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:20pm locutius wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:38pm:
Even though I corrected you not once, but twice. But its no surprise that it taught you nothing. This reflects badly on yourself more then anything. locutius wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:38pm:
Which stuff was that? Its actually FD that has trouble understanding what I am saying, but hey, it doesn't surprise me that you bigots stick together. locutius wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:38pm:
Just so telling? Sorry, but you don't make sense. Ironic though, given your support of the mass murder of Palestinians by Israeli. Forgive us if we don't take your opinions to seriously. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and they stink. And in your case this definately holds true. :) |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:21pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:05pm:
Ahh...if it isn't Mr Boofy ROTFLMAO. I was wondering when you'd get here. Got any evidence that Bin Laden was behind S11. how bout you put up or shut up. lol, ironic that you post a link from Al-Jazeera...given your recently expressed views. Obviously you've googled all you can, and this measley report is all you could find. Care to post the whole article. I suspect you didn't for a reason. Besides, what you have posted is neither evidence nor admission for S11. Besides, didn't you read Mantra's post, the FBI themselves have admitted they have no hard evidence that OBL was behind S11, and those tapes you selectively choose to quote have numerous times been found to be fake. It would not be the first time that the CIA has planted evidence to advance its cause. Try again boofy. :D |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:22pm Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:27pm:
lol..some of the rubbish you come up is gold. Care to share with us this 'admission'. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:30pm freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:33pm:
Unlike you FD, I oppose the murder of any innocent civilians, and if he was found to have committed these crimes, then I would have no problem condemning him. I am not like you, who praises the Israeli when they kill over a thousand innocent civilians. And unlike you, I would definately not blame the US for hiding amongst civilians (placing CIA/military offices in the world trade centre). |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:35pm
Wello start condemning Les... or does he have to do it by his own hand... oh dear more Muslim obfuscation.
He heads Al Qaeda they are guilty of many murders of innocents I'd have thought you be condemning them already. :D :D :D :D :D Lying hypocrite! |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by freediver on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:37pm
Abu seems very keen to make excuses for his actions, with all this BS about Osama having 'tough times'.
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by tallowood on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:43pm Lestat wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:21pm:
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Lestat, are you saying that Al-Jazeera muslims are liers? :o BTW, do you have any evidence that allah exists? |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:01pm freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:37pm:
Ironic, given the praise and support you've given Israel for the murder of thousands of civilians. Abu hasn't made excuses for his actions. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about you, who has unashamedly thrown your support fully behind those who murder innocent peope. its rather clear who here supports mass murderers, and it isn't abu. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:02pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:35pm:
I'm still waiting for this supposed evidence boofy. Oh thats right...you don't have any. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:03pm tallowood wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:43pm:
Actually, its boofy that claimed they are liars, and now he is using there reports as some sort of evidence. Alas, he is to dumb to realise that it isn't evidence at all. It doesn't surprise me that you don't follow. Thats ok...keep trying. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by freediver on Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:06pm Quote:
So what do you think this is all about lestat? Poor old Osama had no choice, given the 'difficult circumstances' in his cave? Lestat, Osama even admitted it was him. Haven't you noticed yet? |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Lestat on Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:11pm freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:06pm:
Do you really need me to dumb it down for you. Abu has already explain himself, I don't need to do it again. And I suspect, even if I did, you still wouldn't get it. freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:06pm:
Did he? Could you show me where he admitted it was him. Do you mean one of those 'found to be fabricated' tapes. Or is their some other evidence that you have that no one else knows of? He praised the attacks, praising something does not make one responsible for them. Nor is it a confession. If it did, then this would make you responsible for the deaths of Palestinians by Israeli's in the recent war. So go ahead, prove me wrong. Show us this evidence, that the FBI themselves have admitted does not exist. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by tallowood on Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:14pm Lestat wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:03pm:
So according to you Al-Jazeera are truth loving muslims. Fair enough. They did supply the evidence of Osama's involvement in terrorist act of 9/11. Very well then abu can condemn the man who is proven to be guilty. Or is abu still unwilling to do it? |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by locutius on Feb 13th, 2009 at 3:42pm Lestat wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 1:20pm:
A perfect example of you not following. Previously I said "born in difficult times" not "born into" And then again I said "Just NO telling" not "Just SO telling". As usual you're too busy being offended. BTW what I said was funny but obviously not as funny as you claiming the IDF murdered 1000+ palestinians. They certainly killed them but Hamas used them in a truely cold blooded way. Hamas are the murderers you are looking for. |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by soren on Feb 13th, 2009 at 6:03pm Quote:
Full story and transcript also available at the Al-BBC site. Warning. There is a picture of Mr M. NSFW.i |
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Title: Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2009 at 7:57pm
Poor old Les... his mind is in a complete state of confusion.
Oh and Les AL J is exactly what I said it was... the terrorists mouth-piece no contradictions there dummy. Do try to keep up and see someone about helping you get a grip on reality. |
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