Iraqi woman had 80 women raped then recruited as suicide bombers
From correspondents in Baghdad
Agence France-Presse
February 04, 2009 09:15am
Mastermind ... Samira Ahmed Jassim confessed to organising the rape of 80 women so she could recruit them as suicide bombers / AP
Woman arranged rape of more than 80 women
Used rape to recruit them as suicide bombers
Female suicide attacks increasing
A WOMAN suspected of recruiting more than 80 female suicide bombers has confessed to organising their rapes so she could later convince them that martyrdom was the only way to escape the shame.

Samira Jassam, 51, was arrested by Iraqi police and confessed to recruiting the women and orchestrating dozens of attacks.

In a video confession, she explained how she had mentally prepared the women for martyrdom operations, passed them on to terrorists who provided explosives, and then took the bombers to their targets.

"We arrested Samira Jassim, known as 'Um al-Mumenin', the mother of the believers, who was responsible for recruiting 80 women'', Major General Qassim Atta said.

"She confessed her responsibility for these actions, and she confirmed that 28 attempts had been made in one of the terrorists' strongholds,'' he said.

Samira Jassim was arrested on January 21. She is allegedly linked to the Ansar al-Sunnah insurgent group.

Daily Telegraph, 4 Feb 2009 Two of the attacks for which Samira Jassim admitted responsibility in the video confession took place in Diyala province, in central Iraq, which is considered one of the most dangerous areas of the country.

The Associated Press reports US military figures indicate at least 36 female suicide bombers attempted or carried out 32 attacks last year. Women are often allowed through military checkpoints without being searched, making it easier for them to hide explosives under their traditional robes.

I don't believe it!!!!

It can't be true!

It must be a Zionist inspired lie!

Was Mossad involved?

I bet Mossad was responsible!
/sarc off






Horrific.

Will any muslim worth the name, lay the blame at the feet of ISLAM?

No.

What inspired this woman, Samira Jassam, to conduct herself in this merciless way?

Only in islam....

Indeed.


In the past 20 years, 2 million people [many of them Christians] were exterminated by Arab ISLAMIST militias in Darfur.

Where is the outrage over this prolonged violence, against black muslims and black non-muslims, by Arab muslims?

Google,
darfur "2 million" dead "20 years"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=darfur+%222+million%22+dead+%2220+years%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=






For 6 years thousands of rockets are fired into southern Israel, from Gaza.

Not a peep from the UN, or the world 'community'.

Israel warns, and warns, and warns Hamas.

Yet Hamas is not constrained.

Finally Israel responds.

Perhaps 1300 Gazan's die [which i regret the loss of innocent life].

We immediately see the condemnation of Israel, for the use of 'disproportionate' force, in defending civilians in southern Israel.

But what of the 2 million who died at teh hands of Arab muslims in Darfur????



This world is sick.

WHITE is BLACK

And BLACK is WHITE

UP is DOWN

And DOWN is UP

If it happened in any other culture than Islam, it would have been front page news, all around the world, but the sheer magnitude, and multitude of obscenely violent acts, carried out by muslims, in the name of Allah, has meant that atrocities like these just get accepted as part of the Islamic problem.

That anyone could be so totally evil, as to orchestrate the rape of women, so that they could then be more easily manipulated to commit suicide bombings is beyond my level of comprehension for how humans could behave, it just seems too unreal to be possible, but we have Islam to thank, for making it possible.

Sometimes I just despair at the evil acts that people carry out, whilst proclaiming they are deeply religious.

I have no time for religion, and consider it to be a generally evil influence in our world, but even starting from that position of distaste, even I am shocked, and sickened to my stomach at the barbarity of people like this woman.

Quote:

Will any muslim worth the name, lay the blame at the feet of ISLAM?

Why would it be blamed on Islam when Islam clearly makes rape a capital offence...

Well if it isn't the 3 wise monkeys all rolled up into one little muslim.

If anyone ever contemplated being a Muslim you are a prime example of why they should not become one.

braindead, brainwashed... deluded and obsessive.

Grendel,

Instead of the fumbled attempts to avoid answering my argument. Why don't you answer it?

If you think you have a better argument, present it. You don't do a very good job of representing your ideas, really.

What argument?
I already presented a better one.
You... on the other hand.  ::)

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 7:10am:

Quote: Will any muslim worth the name, lay the blame at the feet of ISLAM? Why would it be blamed on Islam when Islam clearly makes rape a capital offence...

Anyone who has a Google page open, and 10 minutes, could quickly learn how bizarre such a claim is.

The word, 'Catmeat', comes to mind.

'Catmeat', was first discussed in a sermon in a mosque, in Australia, by a muslim cleric.








http://www.frontpagemag.com/Media/Homepage/rape9.gif
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Media/Homepage/rape9.gif


Symposium: To Rape an Unveiled Woman
......"A man sees a woman and she is not veiled. He thinks to himself: “Oh, I must rape her now.” "
"No matter how much I try to figure this out, I can’t. What’s the mindset here? If a person is upset that a woman is not veiled, it implies he wants some kind of supposed “morality.”
But if he is thirsting for purity, how does perpetrating a violent sexual atrocity against the “immoral” one fit into moralizing her and the rest of society – and himself?"
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=473928E3-18E1-4E4E-ADF6-1AD796E3D400

Yadda wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 12:13pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 5th, 2009 at 7:10am: Quote: Will any muslim worth the name, lay the blame at the feet of ISLAM? [abu claims....] Islam clearly makes rape a capital offence... Anyone who has a Google page open, and 10 minutes, could quickly learn how bizarre such a claim is.

abu,

This 'woman', Nojoud Ali....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/Nojoud%20Muhammad%20Nasser.jpg
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/Nojoud%20Muhammad%20Nasser.jpg
8-year-old girl seeks divorce in Yemen

....was raped by her husband.


The rapist was brought before a Sharia court in Yemen.

The rapist has not been executed, not yet, anyway.

Why not ??????????

Sharia 'justice', not up to punishing RAPISTS of little girls ????





April 11, 2008
8-year-old girl seeks divorce in Yemen
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020644.php


April 16, 2008
Eight-year-old girl wins divorce in Yemen
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020687.php


February 4, 2009
Schoolgirl divorcee!
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024704.php





THIS SHOCKING STORY HAS FINALLY BEEN PICKED UP BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA,
.....after being initially exposed by that 'hateful', anti-muslim web site, JIHAD WATCH [see the links above]
/sarc off

Schoolgirl divorcee, 10, launches book about shocking child bride ordeal
02nd February 2009
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1133865/Schoolgirl-divorcee-10-launches-book-shocking-child-bride-ordeal.html





+++++++++++




Islam is a lie and truth is killing it.
Posted by: Alaskan
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023681.php#c602782

WAFA SULTAN [a Syrian born woman], SPEAKS ON THE STATUS OF WOMEN WITHIN ISLAM / SHARIA JURISDICTIONS.



February 5, 2009
Wafa Sultan: "The Subjugation of Women Reduces Them to a Level Lower Than Beasts"
.....Wafa Sultan: "If Islam really treated women with honor, we would see the positive consequences of that honor over the course of the past 14 centuries. Islam did not treat women with honor. On the contrary, it has distorted the concept of honor.
.....In my opinion, in the Arab countries in particular, you cannot say that the status of women has nothing to do with Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024717.php




Within countries that are under the influence of ISLAM / Sharia, is it ISLAM that is responsible for the shocking treatment of women, and the attitudes of muslim men towards women ?

If ISLAM is not responsible for the behaviour of muslim men [muslim men who declare their own status as devout muslims], then who is responsible?





Where-ever ISLAM has influence in a society, violence and injustice is prevalent.

Q.
Why won't muslims just accept reality, why won't muslims admit that ISLAM is a failed cultural system?

A.
Muslims always try to hide injustice [which reflects badly upon themselves, and ISLAM], because muslims are culturally programmed to always seek to hide what is shameful.




Devout muslims, ISLAMIST's, Jihadists - ISLAM
Shame vs. Guilt
Islamic cultures are shame based. Shame is a painful experience. To avoid shame you have to hide the source of shame. This means you must protect the image. Your entire self esteem and self worth depends on that image. When you are shamed you become violence. Violence is one way we humans deal with shame.
.....For Easterners, everything is about image and how others see us. The opposite of guilt is innocence. If your ethos is guilt based, you have an inner police that stops you from doing wrong because doing wrong makes you feel guilty.
If your ethos is shame based, all you care is to preserve your image.
The opposite of shame is honor.
You can do wrong but as long as no one sees it, your image is not tarnished and you can still be seen as an honorable person.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017530.php#c428023
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina70723.htm



".....If your ethos is shame based, all you care is to preserve your image."

.....and to avoid exposing what is TRUE.


Within ISLAM,
....TRUTH [which is shameful] does not 'exist'.

Within ISLAM,
....when shame exists, it must be hidden.

Daniel Pearl's father has put it rather well. Who could have predicted seven years ago that evil was to br normalised by 2009.

Daniel Pearl and the Normalization of Evil

By JUDEA PEARL
This week marks the seventh anniversary of the murder of our son, former Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.
...
Neither he, nor the millions who were shocked by his murder, could have possibly predicted that seven years later his abductor, Omar Saeed Sheikh, according to several South Asian reports, would be planning terror acts from the safety of a Pakistani jail. Or that his murderer, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, now in Guantanamo, would proudly boast of his murder in a military tribunal in March 2007 to the cheers of sympathetic jihadi supporters. Or that this ideology of barbarism would be celebrated in European and American universities, fueling rally after rally for Hamas, Hezbollah and other heroes of "the resistance." Or that another kidnapped young man, Israeli Gilad Shalit, would spend his 950th day of captivity with no Red Cross visitation while world leaders seriously debate whether his kidnappers deserve international recognition.

No. Those around the world who mourned for Danny in 2002 genuinely hoped that Danny's murder would be a turning point in the history of man's inhumanity to man, and that the targeting of innocents to transmit political messages would quickly become, like slavery and human sacrifice, an embarrassing relic of a bygone era.

But somehow, barbarism, often cloaked in the language of "resistance," has gained acceptance in the most elite circles of our society.


And so. see the rest at the Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123362422088941893.html#printMode



Barbarians are tolareted, swaggering primitives are indulged, cuthroats are validated.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 7:10am:

Quote: Will any muslim worth the name, lay the blame at the feet of ISLAM? Why would it be blamed on Islam when Islam clearly makes rape a capital offence...

So why were assorted mufties bemoaning Skaf's 55 years? He was convicted of multiple rapes. They should have called for his execution.
But that would have been consistent.

Yadda wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 8:34pm:

......If ISLAM is not responsible for the behaviour of muslim men [muslim men who declare their own status as devout muslims], then who is responsible?

Muslims are in denial.

To the muslim mind.....

ISLAM is perfect, so why does it need any reform?

Muslims are good ppl, muslims are all 'innocent' ppl, who are being slandered by 'unbelievers'.





Even the Koran confirms the perfection of muslims.....
.....so it is of course, true.
/sarc off

Muhammad, was the perfect man, and an example to be imitated by all muslim men.

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.021



Muslims are a perfect people.....

"Ye [muslims] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110





http://i4.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/a4/f4/245a_1_sbol.JPG
SO, IF MUSLIMS ARE PERFECT, WHY SHOULD THEY TRY HARDER?



Why should ISLAM reform, when clearly, the guilt lays with the 'unbelievers' ????????
/sarc off

if this case is correct (we know that U.S/Iraqi interrogators use torture, torture usually gets people to say what you want them to say, not what the truth is), then her crimes are both against Islam and against Muslims (the girls who've been raped). How on earth you could consider them a weapon against Islam is beyond me.

Under Islam, if found guilty, she would  be sentenced to death, plain and simple. therefore to claim Islam condones her behaviour is just ridiculous.

Muslims are those who believe in islam. She is muslim. Muslims rape muslims and muslims kill muslims. How good is islam?

tallowood wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:34am:

Muslims are those who believe in islam. She is muslim. Muslims rape muslims and muslims kill muslims. How good is islam?

What a simple statement from a simple person. Ludicrous.

Lets take last weeks example of the man throwing his daughter from the Westgate.

Being Australian, we can safely assume that he believes in secularism and democracy. Or perhaps he was Christian...what we know for sure he was not muslim.

Using your stupid logic, this man is a secularist/Crhistian. he killed his daugher. Secularists/Christians kill their daughters? How good is Secularism/Christianity?

Martin Bryant...also christian. Christians kill people. How good are Christians.

Pol Pot...Athiest, killed millions. Athiests kill people. how good are athiests.

Last year the Aussie bloke who punched his 3 month old baby to death.

He was Australian. He killed his baby. Australians kill babies. How good are Australians?

This is how stupid your logic is, and the fact that you revert to such a simple stupid view reflects on how simply stupid you really are.

It is obvious that Australians are better then muslims because muslims run away from muslims to live amongst Australians.

BTW, can you or anybody else clarify is the muslim woman who organised the rape of muslim women so they can be coerced into killing muslims, is she sunni or shiit?

tallowood wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 8:45am:

It is obvious that Australians are better then muslims because muslims run away from muslims to live amongst Australians. BTW, can you or anybody else clarify is the muslim woman who organised the rape of muslim women so they can be coerced into killing muslims, is she sunni or shiit?

lol..once again reflecting your ignorance. There are plenty of Australian ex-pats working in Dubai and Saudi at the moment. lol, once again...stupid logic from a stupid person.

Didn't you see the news last week.

Anglo-Saxon Australian man threw his daughter off the Westgate bridge. Anglo Saxon Australians kill their daughters. How good are anglo-saxon Australians?

Isn't t his how your stupid theory works. how does it feel, being made to look like an idiot every time you open your mouth.

Really Tallowood..sometimes its best you remain silence, keeping us in doubt, as opposed to speaking, and confirming that you are an idiot.

Lestat wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 8:51am:

tallowood wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 8:45am: It is obvious that Australians are better then muslims because muslims run away from muslims to live amongst Australians. BTW, can you or anybody else clarify is the muslim woman who organised the rape of muslim women so they can be coerced into killing muslims, is she sunni or shiit? lol..once again reflecting your ignorance. There are plenty of Australian ex-pats working in Dubai and Saudi at the moment. lol, once again...stupid logic from a stupid person. Didn't you see the news last week. Anglo-Saxon Australian man threw his daughter off the Westgate bridge. Anglo Saxon Australians kill their daughters. How good are anglo-saxon Australians? Isn't t his how your stupid theory works. how does it feel, being made to look like an idiot every time you open your mouth. Really Tallowood..sometimes its best you remain silence, keeping us in doubt, as opposed to speaking, and confirming that you are an idiot.

Isn't abu Anglo Saxon Australian man? Yes he is. Still muslims run away from muslims in muslim countries to live amongst Australians.

BTH, talking about simplicity... mohamed the pro was simpler then me, so accrding to your logic he was stupid, yet you worship his silly teachings, that of course acording to your own logic makes you double stupid   :D :D :D
The conclusions of your own logic are verified by the fact that you can not unswer a simple question is the muslim woman who organised the rape of muslim women so they can be coerced into killing muslims, is she sunni or shiit?

tallowood wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 9:23am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 8:51am: tallowood wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 8:45am: It is obvious that Australians are better then muslims because muslims run away from muslims to live amongst Australians. BTW, can you or anybody else clarify is the muslim woman who organised the rape of muslim women so they can be coerced into killing muslims, is she sunni or shiit? lol..once again reflecting your ignorance. There are plenty of Australian ex-pats working in Dubai and Saudi at the moment. lol, once again...stupid logic from a stupid person. Didn't you see the news last week. Anglo-Saxon Australian man threw his daughter off the Westgate bridge. Anglo Saxon Australians kill their daughters. How good are anglo-saxon Australians? Isn't t his how your stupid theory works. how does it feel, being made to look like an idiot every time you open your mouth. Really Tallowood..sometimes its best you remain silence, keeping us in doubt, as opposed to speaking, and confirming that you are an idiot. Isn't abu Anglo Saxon Australian man? Yes he is. Still muslims run away from muslims in muslim countries to live amongst Australians. BTH, talking about simplicity... mohamed the pro was simpler then me, so accrding to your logic he was stupid, yet you worship his silly teachings, that of course acording to your own logic makes you double stupid   :D :D :D The conclusions of your own logic are verified by the fact that you can not unswer a simple question is the muslim woman who organised the rape of muslim women so they can be coerced into killing muslims, is she sunni or shiit?

Ahh...as you can see once again tallowood has been exposed and reverts to vulgar abuse. this is becoming an all to familiar pattern.

My job is done here...carry on with your ignorance. i've already highlighted the stupidity of your posts, now all that remains is for you to confirm that stupidity, which  you have done so above.

Thanks for making my job easier. :D

Lestat wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 10:34am:

My job is done here...

Hahaha. 1001st exit of islamic hero without answering the question.

lestat, don't let the door hit you on the way out  ;)

WORKING IN DUBAI...  ROTFLMAO
You are a goose Les...

FOR THE MONEY BUDDY...  LIVING IN AN ENCLAVE FOR OUTSIDERS...  

NOT for the Arab/Muslim lifestyle and culture  :D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 10:46am:

WORKING IN DUBAI...  ROTFLMAO You are a goose Les... FOR THE MONEY BUDDY...  LIVING IN AN ENCLAVE FOR OUTSIDERS...   NOT for the Arab/Muslim lifestyle and culture  :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And you think that immigrants come to Australia for the 'lifestyle and culture'. BWAHAHAHA.

And is Saudi Arabia also an 'enclave' for westerners? You'll be surprised how many 'aussies' are working in Saudi.

Tallowood stated that "It is obvious that Australians are better then muslims because muslims run away from muslims to live amongst Australians."


this is stupid logic...thousands upon thousands of Australians leave Australia to 'live amongst others'..to work...for better oppurtunites.

What about England..how many Australians are in England working. So I take it you agree with Tallo...that 'It is obvious that English are better then Australians, because australians run away from Australia to live amongst the English'?

Once again, it doesn't surprise me that my point has gone right over your head.

Tallo's logic is stupid..anyone can take a few isolated incidents from anywhere, and use it to attack a whole race or country. And people moving and living in other countries has a lot more to do with 'people a are better then people b', and anyone who things otherwise is a dimwit.

Quote:

n is the muslim woman who organised the rape of muslim women so they can be coerced into killing muslims, is she sunni or shiit

Ansar al Islam is Sunni.

Soren wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 8:53pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 5th, 2009 at 7:10am: Quote: Will any muslim worth the name, lay the blame at the feet of ISLAM? Why would it be blamed on Islam when Islam clearly makes rape a capital offence... So why were assorted mufties bemoaning Skaf's 55 years? He was convicted of multiple rapes. They should have called for his execution. But that would have been consistent.

Got dropped to 32 or so eventually. But nobody could blame Judge Finnane, who gave him what he deserved.

Calanen wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:53am:

Quote: n is the muslim woman who organised the rape of muslim women so they can be coerced into killing muslims, is she sunni or shiit Ansar al Islam is Sunni.

Thanks. Now I know why forum muslims did not want to answer, abu stated somewhere that sunnis were islamic majority.

ROTFLMAO
Les, sorry, but you are dumber than I thought.
hard to believe I know.

Nice of you to point out what we who want multiculti abolished already know...


Quote:

And you think that immigrants come to Australia for the 'lifestyle and culture'. BWAHAHAHA.

Feel free to expand on that in the Multiculti forum.  ;D ;D ;D

tallowood wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 12:13pm:

Calanen wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 11:53am: Quote: n is the muslim woman who organised the rape of muslim women so they can be coerced into killing muslims, is she sunni or shiit Ansar al Islam is Sunni. Thanks. Now I know why forum muslims did not want to answer, abu stated somewhere that sunnis were islamic majority.

They are, but not in Iraq. Remember also that Iran is Shia, and thats probably the most powerful Islamic country.

Even though its leadership are insane.

Calanen wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 8:49pm:

tallowood wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 12:13pm: Calanen wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 11:53am: Quote: n is the muslim woman who organised the rape of muslim women so they can be coerced into killing muslims, is she sunni or shiit Ansar al Islam is Sunni. Thanks. Now I know why forum muslims did not want to answer, abu stated somewhere that sunnis were islamic majority. They are, but not in Iraq. Remember also that Iran is Shia, and thats probably the most powerful Islamic country. Even though its leadership are insane.

Why the 'even though'...?

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:

ROTFLMAO Les, sorry, but you are dumber than I thought. hard to believe I know.

There it is...the well known ROTFLMAO, a sure sign that Grendel has once again been embarresed into submission. :D

'You thought'....I somehow doubt it. I don't think you have the ability to 'think'.


Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:

Nice of you to point out what we who want multiculti abolished already know... Feel free to expand on that in the Multiculti forum.  ;D ;D ;D

You have to have a culture first before people 'come for it'. The only culture that Australia has is that which immigrants brought with them.

:D

Re an Australian culture...

 

Quote:

You have to have a culture first before people 'come for it'.

Australia has it's own culture les, my little Muslim Turtle...  come down from the top of the Minaret, take your blinkers off stow the bigotry and you'll see it.

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:41pm:

Re an Australian culture...   Quote: You have to have a culture first before people 'come for it'. Australia has it's own culture les, my little Muslim Turtle...  come down from the top of the Minaret, take your blinkers off stow the bigotry and you'll see it.

Oh right...I forgot. Aussie aussie aussie...oi, oi, oi.

Great culture that is. :D
And lets not leave out that great pub meal aussie cuisine. :D

Not my culture Les...  just a bunch of kids at a sporting event.

But sport is part of the Australian culture.
You should try it sometime.  ;D ;D ;D

Oh and les... anytime I laugh, you can be sure its at you not with you and the embarrassment will certainly not be mine.  ;D ;D ;D

Lestat wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:43pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 11:41pm: Re an Australian culture...   Quote: You have to have a culture first before people 'come for it'. Australia has it's own culture les, my little Muslim Turtle...  come down from the top of the Minaret, take your blinkers off stow the bigotry and you'll see it. Oh right...I forgot. Aussie aussie aussie...oi, oi, oi. Great culture that is. :D And lets not leave out that great pub meal aussie cuisine. :D

Why don't you Vincent van Gogh, Lizzie.


Hope that's cultured enough for you.

Streuth next thing we know you're gonna break into a Limerick soren.

Fair go cobber.

Australia is a culture in formation, and that culture, whether you like it or not includes parts of ALL of the people who've immigrated here, Anglos, Italians, Greeks, Chinese and even Arabs. Like it or lump it. The dilemma for you is that you'd like to make the cut off point when Muslims arrived, but you must accept Australia has a continously evolving culture, BECAUSE of the fact it's a newly formed country built by mass immigrating into someone elses land and populating it with new comers. All Aussies are fairly recent immigrants, whether you like it or not. Your ugly hatred of Arabic and Islamic culture and it's input into Australian culture is very distasteful soren, and really unAustralian.

Quote:

Australia is a culture in formation, and that culture, whether you like it or not includes parts of ALL of the people who've immigrated here, Anglos, Italians, Greeks, Chinese and even Arabs.

As much as I'm going to be abused for this - I agree with the above.  We are a culture in formation.  The culture that existed 30 years ago - if we can call it that has long gone.  People have changed.  The original "aussies" are caring less for their families - that includes their parents and children.  The elderly are dying alone in their homes and being found weeks later or put into hospitals if the family needs a holiday.  Consumption of alcohol is out of control and the majority of young people have no qualms about boozing it up all weekend.  They are killing themselves.

Many of them are directionless and lost and want some goals and boundaries in their lives.  They can no longer get this from their families who are so consumed with debt, materialism and working around the clock that generation Y are the forgotten generation and are looking for some substance in their lives.

Depression is rampant amongst our young because they're empty and susceptible to peer pressure to fill a void.  They are looking for something to give their life meaning.

I have no problem with Australian males because I'm used to them - but the younger generation of women are very dissatisfied with the lack of confidence, propensity to violence and the disrespect the average young male generally shows to women.

Quote:

All Aussies are fairly recent immigrants, whether you like it or not. Your ugly hatred of Arabic and Islamic culture and it's input into Australian culture is very distasteful soren, and really unAustralian.

It's not 'Arabic' culture that I hate but Islamic culture. The ruthless culture of macho hate and violence, death, terror, religious apartheid, lack of human rights, oppression of women, medieval superstitious beliefs. I can hate that culture, because it is diammetrically opposed to everything Australians stand for. And its right to hate that, and not want it as part of this country - EVER. Tolerance for an evil culture of religious fascism is not tolerance at all, but manifest stupidity.

And dont call this a 'young culture' - my family has been in this country for more than 200 years. Thats almost as long as the USA, which has an American culture. It is more than all the newly created Arabic nations, like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq - who all claim to have their own unique culture.

Australia has its own culture, but its a culture that the multicultis have sought to destroy by chiselling our own values.

Well said Mantra. No doubt it will elicit some backlash, but it's the truth, and it's just hard to come to grips with for extreme nationalists.

Regarding the treatment of the elderly, this is a very sad situation. In one of the mosques in Melbourne the Muslim community there runs an aged care facility, all the patients are non-Muslims, as it's completely forbidden in Islamic culture to palm your seniors off to a home. I think this is one aspect of Islamic culture (it's also present to some degree in Italian and Greek cultures) that Australia could learn from and integrate into our own emerging culture. Why not take what Australian culture needs from those cultures which are integrating into Australia at present, seems like the only logical choice to me, unless people want to remain in a stubborn mindset that "we've already got our own culture, don't need that bloody foreign crap".

only in islam children, women and mentally challenged are using suicide belts as part of dress.
Do we need such culture to be brought to Australia? I say NO.  

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I think this is one aspect of Islamic culture (it's also present to some degree in Italian and Greek cultures) that Australia could learn from and integrate into our own emerging culture. Why not take what Australian culture needs from those cultures which are integrating into Australia at present, seems like the only logical choice to me, unless people want to remain in a stubborn mindset that "we've already got our own culture, don't need that bloody foreign crap".

There is a stubborn mindset here and a lot of it is exacerbated by our media unfortunately.  And true - it is the only logical choice to integrate new cultures into Australia, particularly as statistics are showing that migrants are placing so much more importance on education for their children and family values than 3rd, 4th etc. generation Australians are currently doing.

My daughter recently spent a night at Luna Park and joined up with a group of young Muslim girls and she was impressed with how nice, polite and gentle they were in comparison to the girls she's grown up with, many of them being hard, nasty and materialistic.  She works with many foreign men, including Muslims and enjoys their company, kindness and humour.

Unfortunately many of the Aussie Nationalists, being mainly male, can't understand that Muslims in Australia are different to Muslims in Afghanistan.  They are all lumped in the same basket as extremists.  There are aspects of Islam that I don't like in regard to women being treated as second class citizens and being hit, but from what I've read this mainly occurs amongst Muslim peasants in the same way it occurs amongst Australian males in lower socio-economic areas of Australia.

Australians will get used to Muslims, in the same way we did with Italians and Asians.  In another 20 years - this hatred hopefully will be a thing of the past.

ROTFLMAO....  

Oh so only the Australian culture is a culture in formation.

Only Australia doesn't have a National culture.

You guys are pathetic.

When I can be bothered again I'll post all the pages re our culture just for your education.

BTW Abu you are paranoid and delusional.

As for mantra  ::)

mantra wrote on Feb 7^th, 2009 at 7:31am:

... Australians will get used to Muslims, in the same way we did with Italians and Asians.  In another 20 years - this hatred hopefully will be a thing of the past.

Do you really believe that islam will reform in 20 years?
I hope so too but don't held my breath.iiiiiiii

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Do you really believe that islam will reform in 20 years?

Sure it will, there is so much pressure for Islam to improve what with multiculti traitors like Mantra making excuses for the worst excesses of Islamic behaviour constantly, and remember, no matter how bad Islam is..it's always our fault. We have do to more.

They have to do nothing.

So of course they are going to get better.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 7^th, 2009 at 5:49am:

Streuth next thing we know you're gonna break into a Limerick soren. Fair go cobber. Australia is a culture in formation, and that culture, whether you like it or not includes parts of ALL of the people who've immigrated here, Anglos, Italians, Greeks, Chinese and even Arabs. Like it or lump it. The dilemma for you is that you'd like to make the cut off point when Muslims arrived, but you must accept Australia has a continously evolving culture, BECAUSE of the fact it's a newly formed country built by mass immigrating into someone elses land and populating it with new comers. All Aussies are fairly recent immigrants, whether you like it or not. Your ugly hatred of Arabic and Islamic culture and it's input into Australian culture is very distasteful soren, and really unAustralian.

It's rhyming slang from London, innit. Vincent Vang off.

All cultures are in formation, so no news there.
BUT the Greeks, the Balts, Italians, Vietnamese and Chinese and now the Muslims and Indians are coming BECAUSE it is an Anglo coutry, with Anglo laws, sensibilities, LANGUAGE, big thing that, language and literature - the stuff of the mind and attitudes. They are not coming just for the material goods -  which were achieved to a large extent also because of the Britannic heritage and the Anglo settlers.

None of the earleir ones wanted to change the very culture that attracted them to this country - except the muslims of your ilk. They are the only ones who wish this place was culturally and mentality-wise similar to the hellholes they fled. (Not materially similar, mind,  because who would pay them the dole in a poor untry?) Benbrika fled Algeria because the Muslims there wanted an Ummah and pronto. Big killing spree, civil unrest, killing and mayhem. He comes here and wants what? To kill footy spectators. A 'sought after ' figure in his community. Not a pariah. Not an ostracised loser. A 'sought after' figure.

The immigrants do contribute to this country and they can do that because it is an anglo country, a place governed by reasonableness, the principle of merit raqther than clan or tribal affiliation, a place where you are free, safe and pursue your heart's desire.

You can take your ummah and stick it up your jumpah.

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Do you really believe that islam will reform in 20 years? I hope so too but don't held my breath.

Christianity could reform, because it could get make to the 'true teachings' of Christ. You know, a pacifist preacher who said love thy neighbour and turn the other cheek.

For Islam to reform is impossible, because its holy person was a marauding bandit that demanded the destruction of all other religions. So Islam would have to throw the Koran and Mohammed under the bus to reform.

That's not going to happen - which means it is incapable of reform. And why would they want to anyway, they can behave any way they like and there are endless excuses made for them from people within our own society.

There can be no compromise with people who do not compromise. There can be no peace with people who live for war against us and whose Allah commands that we die or live under their rule.

There must be conflict, and there must be their destruction. Or ours. There is no other way.

Calanen wrote on Feb 9^th, 2009 at 10:01pm:

There must be conflict, and there must be their destruction. Or ours. There is no other way.

There may be other ways to reach a time when islam will be as irrelevant as it was between, roughly, the 15th and mid-20th centuries. If oil's relevance can be removed or ended, Islam's relevance will return to it's 18-19th century levels, that is, to insignificance.
Without the threat of harming the west with the oil weapon,  all the islamic influence and weight behind the the threatss and intimidations would disappear. Without oil, Islamic threats would be akin to threats coming from North Korea or Zimbabwe.

Without oil, Muslim countries would have to make their way according to talent and merit. In other words, they wouldl have to offer something more than utopia under the ummah. In the last five hundred years they have given us two things - oil and utopia. If you remove oil, will utopia alone cause newspapers to self-sensor their cartoons and articles, countries to tolerate fatwahs on authors and the burning of their embassies? Unlikely. Even muslim minorities in the west would be rendered much, much more respectful of their host countries. The din of demands and entitlement would subside to whispered and respectful requests.

Muslims without oil would have to offer the world something more than utopia to earn the world's respect. What is the chance of that?
They can't compete on labour costs - china and SE Asia will always have more cheap labour. They can't match the innovative and educationally driven emerging economies - islamic countries are no threat to the knowledge economies of Korea, Singapore, as well as parts of china and india, let alone thee US and the west generally. Without natural resources, what's left? Unless sand turns out to be vital, nothing.

Time is running out for islam. That is one reason why it is thrashing about so desperately.