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Title: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by freediver on Jan 31st, 2009 at 2:51pm
Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way
http://cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2009/01/27/virginity-old-fashioned-way In the ultimate conflation of the virgin-whore dichotomy, a 22-year-old Sacramento State grad named Natalie Dylan has put her virginity up for auction. The transaction is taking place through a legal brothel in Nevada, which advertises Dylan’s virginity as a “priceless and rare commodity.” And by “priceless” they actually just mean expensive — the highest bid is reported at $3.8 million. Dylan was first publicized on the Howard Stern Show, and the story has since been picked up by CNN and other major news outlets. The response indicates that virginity is distinctly captivating to both bidders and bystanders. Dylan cites her BA in Women’s Studies as her inspiration. Since she chose to use her feminist wisdom this way, I wonder if many women of my generation might be missing the point. In a recent blog post, Dylan explained the convoluted line of reasoning that led her to make this offer. Since virgins used to be married off in exchange for dowries in “early Europe,” she says, the logical step toward empowerment is that virgins pimp themselves out in the 21st century. She posits that this might be the beginning of a new trend, and thinks that selling her virginity follows feminism in that it earns money, which in turn equals power. Never mind that her view of virgin history is narrow and simplistic, not to mention a tad outdated as an application to today’s world. What is really sad about this is that instead of choosing to explode the idealization of female virginity as a vestige of a patriarchal society, Dylan takes the opportunistic road. She would rather perpetuate it with a get-rich-quick scheme than redefine virginity on her own terms. Dylan is not the only one profiting from virginity. Plenty of people already profit from the idealization of virginity — selling purity rings and other chastity memorabilia, along with a message to abstain from sex in the name of God. One website even sells “Virginity Vouchers” so people can literally be card-carrying virgins for the low price of 75 cents! The general idea is that women’s virginity is a sacred gift, and men’s virginity is, well, important too, we guess. Those who believe in a Virgin Mother (read: a virgin non-virgin) are now selling the same goods as a virgin prostitute — granted, in very different ways. Dylan is selling virginity in the form of an experience, through prostitution, and abstinence groups are selling it as an ideal, by promoting virginity as a sacred gift. But putting monetary value and ideological regulations on an intimate interaction strips it of authenticity. Virginity should not be quality-controlled. But I’m getting ahead of myself. I cannot talk about a virginity industry without pointing out the horror of such a phrase. Something is wrong when virginity — and sex — are being sold, especially when a gender divide defines who is buying and who is selling. The fact that specifically women’s virginity has been commodified is a red flag in our supposedly post-feminist society. Where are the male virgins? To answer my question, I looked on craigslist. I got the idea from Dylan herself, who hinted that the beginnings of a virginity market could be found there. And sure enough, plenty of virgins advertise in the personals. But they are all men who are trying desperately to give away their, uh, maidenhood. They might just as well have put their virginity in the Free Stuff section. And so we have a gender quandary: male virginity is either worthless or unmarketable, while female virginity can make as much as $3.8 million. “Marketable” is the operative word here. Women’s virginity is evidently susceptible to mystification, what you might call “other”-ing. This makes it easier to peddle it, but also ignores the woman’s point of view on sexuality and desire. A man who pays to have sex with a virgin is responding to his own ideal of Virginity, which has nothing to do with the woman herself (and likely nothing to do with any real woman at all). The hymen, in fact, is acknowledged by doctors to be so variable from woman to woman that it provides no indication of virginity. It is more real in the collective mind than on the body. Notice there has never been a phantom body part that “proves” male virginity. To buy and sell virginity means subscribing to some mythical definition of virginity loss, and there is a much stronger one for women than for men. Like all of us children of the women’s liberation movement, Dylan benefits from living in a society that is more conscious of women’s rights than before. Unlike our baby-boomer mothers, we grow up imagining our lives as uninhibited by sex discrimination. But as much work as past generations have done to remove gender barriers, our generation has a responsibility to continue the legacy of change that gave us freedom through birth control, abortion rights and truer perceptions of women and gender. With the last presidential election, we may have narrowly escaped the revocation of our right to an abortion. It is a right that drastically impacts our freedom to make decisions about sex. Virginity loss is incidental to sexuality as a whole, just as the hymen is incidental to the formation of a woman’s body. Each is made important only because of the social value a |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by muso on Jan 31st, 2009 at 3:42pm
Personally I think it's sad, but both sides of the bargain will be both exploiter and exploited.
Both sides of the bargain will also be short changed. Sex without passion and love is a cheap experience. At least the 'vendor' will end up financially better off. The buyer may get a short lived 'expensive thrill'. - but $3.8 million dollars worth? I doubt it. The best things in life are free, and when you turn them into commodities, they go from vital and impassioned to stale very quickly. |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by mantra on Jan 31st, 2009 at 5:17pm
The bloke sounds like an idiot. She might not even be a virgin and perhaps has even had some minor surgery - or there's other little tricks she could use.
For someone to pay that much, he would not only have to be mentally bereft, but physically disgusting, although I suppose it's probably worth putting up with a couple of hours revulsion for $3.8 million. |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by oceanZ on Jan 31st, 2009 at 7:33pm mantra wrote on Jan 31st, 2009 at 5:17pm:
Yes the trick would be to get legless mantra..who would notice then how revolting he was..? I wonder how many women would consider revirginising for 3.8 million? How would a man even tell anyway ?..actual virginity is very much like a verb like.. its a "doing thing"..riding horses. bikes etc...how would man know ? A ride on a horse may have just robbed him of the "prize"... |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by Grendel on Feb 1st, 2009 at 8:33am
Could someone point to me where the article says the guy is revolting or an idiot or anything about him?
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by Amadd on Feb 1st, 2009 at 9:47am
$3.8m? :o
I think he'll be majorly disappointed. I hope he'll get to slap the filthy whore around a bit for that price. Or at least give it to her where the sun don't shine. |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by oceanZ on Feb 1st, 2009 at 11:34am Grendel wrote on Feb 1st, 2009 at 8:33am:
It would be kind of just assumed. And as for the asking price of 3.8 million..well the cost in dollars is only outweighed by the size of the mans ego. Otherwise virginity would have no value whatsoever. Slap her around a bit Amadd..? Only if she likes it rough...err.. foreplay? "where the sun dont shine"... at what point/place in the human body does the sun shine? So my question to you is...exactly what are you referring to with this statement ;) |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by Amadd on Feb 1st, 2009 at 1:36pm Quote:
Everybody knows that this means the earhole. Yes the guy sounds like an idiot and yes I think she deserves to be slapped around by every man she ever meets. - with a very large toothbrush. |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by Grendel on Feb 1st, 2009 at 10:46pm
So we don't know that he's ugly or an idiot... except for the fact he's willing to pay a lot of money for sex with a virgin.
He might have soooooo much money it doesn't matter to him. Would you have sex with him for $3.8 mill Ogly? He'd probably get more for his money not having a virgin. |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by sprintcyclist on Feb 1st, 2009 at 10:54pm Yes, whatever the price, the proposition is the same. |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by oceanZ on Feb 2nd, 2009 at 11:31am Grendel wrote on Feb 1st, 2009 at 10:46pm:
Would you?.... is more to the point..I think I know the answer.. |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by Jim Profit on Feb 2nd, 2009 at 5:21pm I'm actually impressed someone came up with this marketing ploy and is making so much more money at once then any "proffessional" whore... What amazes me is we live in this post-femmenist world, and yet we still assume there's something mystical about virginity. Especially in a woman. If this had been a guy, noone would've cared. But since it was a girl, suddenly everyone thought this was news worthy. It isn't. Some whore cameup with a good idea, and capitalized on it. Good for her. She's a smart whore exploting a bunch of dumb men willing to pay good money to take virginity that she probably doesn't have.. She's not even that pretty. Ofcourse I'm being unfair as since I've seen Julz, no mortal woman could hope to compare! Some things cannot be bought with money. Only seized by oppurtunity. |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by freediver on Feb 2nd, 2009 at 5:40pm
Have you figured out what country your girlfriend is in yet Jim?
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by mantra on Feb 2nd, 2009 at 5:55pm
They would have to be in the same country and together obviously FD because they stood next to a burned down house with a can full of gas and a hand full of matches and they weren't caught.
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by oceanZ on Feb 2nd, 2009 at 7:56pm and for those of us with Downs Syndrome..she's the one on the left hey Jim? ;) FD- Quote:
;D ;D mantra- Quote:
;D ;D ;D very naughty, but your on fire today guys. |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by tallowood on Feb 2nd, 2009 at 8:48pm muso wrote on Jan 31st, 2009 at 3:42pm:
I think it is funny how the dollar get devaluated. BTW, who is exploiter and who is exploited in this love affair? |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by Gaybriel on Feb 8th, 2009 at 10:08pm
these women who prostitute themselves are just....ugh....brain exploding....
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by freediver on Feb 8th, 2009 at 10:10pm
You're jelous of how much money they are making aren't you Gaybriel?
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by Gaybriel on Feb 8th, 2009 at 10:23pm
can't say I am- money cant buy your soul. it can't pay for your sins
not to mention the fact that I wouldn't swap losing my virginity to a man I loved for 3.8 million dollars even if it didn't come with the sweaty touch of a sexual maladjust attached making myself someone's whore, despite the price tag, just doesn't interest me having said that if anyone wants to give me millions of dollars for no reason I'm all for it ;D |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by tallowood on Feb 10th, 2009 at 4:06pm
72 virgins don't get paid but they are still whores.
Anyway, what good does virginity do to any one? |
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Title: Re: Virginity: The Old-Fashioned Way Post by Jim Profit on Feb 16th, 2009 at 6:47pm tallowood wrote on Feb 10th, 2009 at 4:06pm:
I don't think someone of your intillectual calibur could understand. But virginity implies (though may not garantee) purity and innocence. A virgin, in theory.. is not corrupt and perverse. They desire more effectionate love, and a relationship. Rather then just knock their rocks off with some raunchy sex. This ofcourse, is quickly being proven false. But virginity may prove something about people's self control and self discipline. A person who's had sex has given into peer preassure. Be it the preassure of society, the preassure of their partner, or the preassure of their hormones. A person who has not had sex is above the influence, strong, independent... But then why the hell would I want some tard who thinks they're better then me? I'd rather have a slut, and make her my slut, then have someone who who treats me like poo because frankly women can't seperate "independence" from "dickery". Maybe they aren't use to it thinking they're oppressed or something. I don't much know nor care. Slutty women atleast tend to be nicer and more emotionaly dependent. More emotionaly dependent means less likely to runoff with some hobo off the street or breakup because "they need space". I support men being virgins, as we need the extra discipline and strength. In western culture women control everything. We need all the help we can get. We must train ourselves not to be distracted or surcomed by the flesh. Or else we'll just be manipulated into doing poo we don't want to do for the rest of our lives, for nothing in return. Neither money, love, devotion, or a favor. Don't do anything for anyone unless you'd know they'd do something for you if you asked. Women feel entitled to stuff simply because they're women. bugger them. |
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