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Title: Zionazism
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 5:24am

WARNING: There are some graphic scenes below of victims of massacres.

THE GRANDCHILDREN OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS FROM WORLD WAR II ARE DOING TO THE PALESTINIANS EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE TO THEM BY NAZI GERMANY...

BUILDING WALLS & FENCES TO KEEP PEOPLE IN PRISONS

CHECK POINTS NOT TO ALLOW PEOPLE BASIC FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT

ARRESTS & HARASSMENTS

DESTROYING HOMES & LIVELIHOODS

GIFTS (WITH LOVE) FROM THE CHILDREN OF PEACE-LOVING & CIVILIZED COUNTRIES

THE CLASSIC PROPAGANDA MACHINE - YOU WILL FIND THE PICTURE IN BLACK & WHITE IN ALL AMERICAN AND SOME OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES HISTORY BOOKS, ENCYCLOPAEDIAS, LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS… THAT DEPICTS A YOUNG JEWISH BOY WITH HIS HANDS UP WHILE NAZI TROOPS POINT THEIR GUNS AT HIM AND HIS FAMILY IN ORDER TO EXPEL THEM FROM THEIR HOMES… (IT’S SUPPOSED TO MAKE YOU SYMPATHIZE WITH THE VICTIMS & TO SUPPORT THEIR CAUSE FOR JUSTICE & A HOMELAND)

THE ISRAELIS PRACTICE THE SAME TACTICS

Source: Norman G. Finkelstein

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by soren on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 6:41pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 5:24am:

WARNING: There are some graphic scenes below of victims of massacres.

THE GRANDCHILDREN OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS FROM WORLD WAR II ARE DOING TO THE PALESTINIANS EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE TO THEM BY NAZI GERMANY...

THE CLASSIC PROPAGANDA MACHINE - YOU WILL FIND THE PICTURE IN BLACK & WHITE IN ALL AMERICAN AND SOME OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES HISTORY BOOKS, ENCYCLOPAEDIAS, LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS… THAT DEPICTS A YOUNG JEWISH BOY WITH HIS HANDS UP WHILE NAZI TROOPS POINT THEIR GUNS AT HIM AND HIS FAMILY IN ORDER TO EXPEL THEM FROM THEIR HOMES… (IT’S SUPPOSED TO MAKE YOU SYMPATHIZE WITH THE VICTIMS & TO SUPPORT THEIR CAUSE FOR JUSTICE & A HOMELAND)

THE ISRAELIS PRACTICE THE SAME TACTICS

Source: Norman G. Finkelstein

Facts matter, pal.

Number of Jews in Continental Europe, 1939: 7 million
Number of Palestinians in Gaza 2009: 1.2 million
Number of Jews still alive in Continental Europe at end of the
Holocaust: 1 million
Number of Palestinians left alive in Gaza after the 2009 war: 1,199,000
Percentage of Jews Killed by Germans and their allies: 86 percent
Percentage of Gazan Palestinians Killed by Israelis: 0.1 percent
Number of Jewish Civilians deliberately killed by Nazis and their Allies: 6,000,000
Number of Palestinian Civilians deliberately killed by Israel: 0

Number of Jews armed during most of the Holocaust: 0
Number of Hamas soldiers in Gaza: About 20,000
Number of rockets fired at Israel by Hamas: 4000
Number of rockets fired by Jews at Germany: 0
Number of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians by Hamas: Thousands

Number of terrorist attacks on Jewish civilians by the Nazis: thousands
Number of armed attacks of any kind by Jews on German civilians: 0
Nazi “humanitarian supplies” for Jews: starvation diet coupled with slave labor
Israeli humanitarian supplies for Gaza: regular shipments even while Hamas is attacking Israel, no one actually in Gaza even claims to be hungry; treatment of Palestinians in Israeli hospitals

Nazi treatment of Jews: According to a Gestapo official in Warsaw: “It
is permissible to take from a Jew everything….Whoever wishes may kill a Jew, and our law will not punish him for it.” (Jan Karski report, 1942)
Hamas treatment of Jews: It is permissible to take from a Jew everything. Whoever wishes may kill a Jew, and our law will not punish
him for it.

Israeli treatment of Palestinians: Soldiers subject to strict discipline and code of behavior for whose violation soldiers are court-martialed and sent to prison.
Nazi soldiers hide among German civilians to incur civilian casualties?: No
Hamas soldiers hide among Palestinian civilians to incur civilian casualties?: Yes
Ideology of Nazis Toward Jews: All Jews in the World Should be Exterminated
Ideology of Israel toward Palestinians: Have your own state and just leave us alone
Ideology of Hamas toward Israelis and Jews: Starting with all Jews in Israel should be exterminated, Hamas is increasingly extending that to all Jews in the world.

Nazi goal: World Conquest
Israel’s goal: A small democratic state
Hamas and Islamist goal: World conquest

A common Western attitude toward Nazi Germany prior to 1939: The Germans have suffered a lot and have legitimate grievances. If we appease them they will leave us alone. They are only after the Jews and what do we care about them?
A common Western attitude toward Hamas in 2009: The Palestinians have suffered a lot and have legitimate grievances. If we appease them they will leave us alone. Hamas, Iran, and other radical Islamists are only after the Jews and what do we care about them?

Syrian, Iranian, and Hamas view of the Holocaust: It didn’t happen.
Syrian, Iranian, and Hamas view of the Gaza war: It was another Holocaust.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 11:23pm

Quote:

Number of Palestinians in Gaza 2009: 1.2 million

Shouldn't the initial Palestinian year be 1948?? when the Zionist occupation of their land began.

Restricting it to just one single battle is pretty disingenious.

Also Mr. Finkelstein never said anything about an equation of numbers.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by soren on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 11:26pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 11:23pm:

Quote:

Number of Palestinians in Gaza 2009: 1.2 million

As usual, you have grasped the essence, rather than toy with an irrelevant detail. Well done.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by soren on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 11:44pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 11:23pm:

Quote:

Number of Palestinians in Gaza 2009: 1.2 million

Shouldn't the initial Palestinian year be 1948?? when the Zionist occupation of their land began.

Fine.

"At the outset of the 1948 war, the population of the Gaza region was approximately 60,000 to 80,000." (Al Jazeera) Add 200,000 refugees by thee eend of the first war. Round it all up to 300,000. Amend above fact sheet to include:

Number of Palestinians in Gaza 1948: 300,000
Number of Palestinians in Gaza 2009: 1.2 million

Happy?

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 5:41am

And then factor in population growth.

The fact is tens of thousands, if not more, Palestinians have been killed and a much larger number more wounded since the arrival of the Zionist 'immigrants' into their land. To deny it would just be ludicrous. What is worse, is they've lived as refugees in huge open air prisons for the past 60 years. That suffering probably even surpasses the deaths in terms of human misery and tragedy, and most certainly eclipses the suffering of the Jews in WWII. As some Israeli historians have noted... If Europe feels guilty for it's mistreatment of Jews, then let them give up their homes and land for them to make a new country, don't force them onto others, and then act dumbfounded when 60 years later, it's resulted in nothing but violence, misery hatred and war.

And I'm not concerned if you deny it, what I'd like to know is why you don't want to recommend Muslims adopt the immigration habits of Zionists in Australia? I would've thought if you agreed with Zionism and supported it's methodology then you'd see it as a great way for Muslims to go as well.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Calanen on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 6:32am

Zionazism huh? How about, Islamonazism?

Who looks more like the Nazis?

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Calanen on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 6:33am

And Abu, naughty naughty there habibi hotlinking images. They've been switched off however. Red X is now your friend.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by soren on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:43am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 5:41am:

That suffering probably even surpasses the deaths in terms of human misery and tragedy, and most certainly eclipses the suffering of the Jews in WWII.

They are suffering at their own hands, inflicting as much damage on themselves through infighting and clannish wars as they can. Israel gave asylum to Fatah gunmen, and treated them in its hospitals from gunshot wounds, as they fled from Hamas in the Gaza strip because they were barred by...er... palestinians from entering the west bank controlled by PA. See also the post elsewhere on the palos' unerring record of making the wrong choices every time.

Nazi treatment of Jews: According to a Gestapo official in Warsaw: “It is permissible to take from a Jew everything….Whoever wishes may kill a Jew, and our law will not punish him for it.” (Jan Karski report, 1942)

Hamas treatment of Jews: It is permissible to take from a Jew everything. Whoever wishes may kill a Jew, and our law will not punish
him for it.

Israeli treatment of Palestinians: Soldiers subject to strict discipline and code of behavior for whose violation soldiers are court-martialed and sent to prison.

Israeli humanitarian supplies for Gaza: regular shipments even while Hamas is attacking Israel, no one actually in Gaza even claims to be hungry; treatment of Palestinians in Israeli hospitals.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Aussie Skinhead on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 4:14pm

Quote:

Number of Palestinians in Gaza 1948: 300,000
Number of Palestinians in Gaza 2009: 1.2 million

Comparing population numbers of two different years does not tell you any thing about the number of people who have died as a result of Jewish fundamentalist attacks and occupation.

Quote:

Zionazism huh? How about, Islamonazism?

The Jewish state of Israel is an illegal creation created by religious fundamentalists who want to exterminate the Arabs and create a greater state of Israel. What happened in 1948 was a crime against humanity and was illegal under international law.

The European Jews flooded into the rightful state of Palestine. Most of the Jews came to Palestine illegally. The Jewish extremists established military groups that used terrorism against the legitimate government of Palestine. Eventually, the large illegal Jewish immigrant community violently overthrew the state of Palestine and drove millions of people out of their native home land. The Jews are the most racist people that have ever lived. The illegitimate state of Israel has racist laws that discriminate against Arabs and against any other non-Jews. The illegitimate state of Israel must be destroyed and Palestine must be restored and all property returned to the Palestinian people. If the Jews resist, deport or execute them. Palestine should take no prisoners.

The Palestinians have a right to fight the illegal occupiers. What right does the fake state of Israel have to tell them not to fight?

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Calanen on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 4:37pm

Quote:

Before I deal with this demonstration of learned expertise in international jurisprudence, I have to ask this one question. Why are the proponents of the White Master Race theory, always such poor examples of the Caucasian race? Like ugly, big ears, mishapen heads? Never really see any of the Aryan Race type SS guys these days. Just trailer trash. Anyhooo..on to this treatise on international law.

Do a Google on UN Resolution 181. It divided the British Mandate of Palestine into the Arab state and the Jewish state. Given that the UN passed a resolution about it, and the UN is, well, gosh gee fella, INTERNATIONAL, perhaps the Resolution was in accordance with, and not against, international law. Unless you meant to say you could appeal UN Resolution 181 to the Jedi High Council (which is of course interstellar) - then you may be in with a shot.

What was definitely against 'international law' my good white nationalist brains trust - was the fact that the Arabs decided to wipe their butts with UN Resolution 181 and kill everyone in the Jewish state newly created by the UN. As a result they lost their Arab state, that theyd just been given, AND, they didnt kill the Jews or the get the Jewish state. Now because they lost a war they started, repeatedly, they want me to feel sorry for them whenever the Jews kick them in the teeth? - no way there jose er I mean white nationalist joseph. They are the authors of their own misfortune.

You also really need to read something about all of this.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:18pm

Just because someone raises their hand in salute doesn't mean they are a Nazi, that's just ridiculous.

If so, I guess Madeline Albright must be a Nazi

And Bush is definitely Nazi, but we all knew that anyway:

Or how about Pope Benedict? Actually this one seriously was a Nazi salute, but it's not his fault, they forced him to ;D

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by tallowood on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:28pm

abu, didn't you say that lying is strictly forbidden in islam? I think you did.
So why do you perpetuate the lie that "in 1948 was a crime against humanity and was illegal under international law. "?

The historical fact is the international body said ok to creation of Israel.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Lestat on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:41pm

Aussie Skinhead wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 4:14pm:

Quote:

Number of Palestinians in Gaza 1948: 300,000
Number of Palestinians in Gaza 2009: 1.2 million

Comparing population numbers of two different years does not tell you any thing about the number of people who have died as a result of Jewish fundamentalist attacks and occupation.

[quote]Zionazism huh? How about, Islamonazism?

The Jewish state of Israel is an illegal creation created by religious fundamentalists who want to exterminate the Arabs and create a greater state of Israel. What happened in 1948 was a crime against humanity and was illegal under international law.

The European Jews flooded into the rightful state of Palestine. Most of the Jews came to Palestine illegally. The Jewish extremists established military groups that used terrorism against the legitimate government of Palestine. Eventually, the large illegal Jewish immigrant community violently overthrew the state of Palestine and drove millions of people out of their native home land. The Jews are the most racist people that have ever lived. The illegitimate state of Israel has racist laws that discriminate against Arabs and against any other non-Jews. The illegitimate state of Israel must be destroyed and Palestine must be restored and all property returned to the Palestinian people. If the Jews resist, deport or execute them. Palestine should take no prisoners.

The Palestinians have a right to fight the illegal occupiers. What right does the fake state of Israel have to tell them not to fight?
[/quote]

Hey Dopey...that wasn't abu, it was Aussie skinhead. Are you that spastic that your pea sized brain is incapable of even following who posts what.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

Really...are you suffering from some illness. Cause if you are, please let us know, and we won't laugh at you anymore.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by tallowood on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:49pm

Lestat wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:41pm:

Aussie Skinhead wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 4:14pm:

Quote:

Number of Palestinians in Gaza 1948: 300,000
Number of Palestinians in Gaza 2009: 1.2 million

Zionism is not spelled "Zionazism". Islamonazism is not a word.
It is interesting to know that Iraq was a ally of the Greater German Empire during the last world war. In fact, many Arabs supported the Greater German Empire.

[quote]They are suffering at their own hands, inflicting as much damage on themselves through infighting and clannish wars as they can. Israel gave asylum to Fatah gunmen, and treated them in its hospitals from gunshot wounds, as they fled from Hamas in the Gaza strip because they were barred by...er... palestinians from entering the west bank controlled by PA. See also the post elsewhere on the palos' unerring record of making the wrong choices every time.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by mozzaok on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 10:30pm

I have read a little of the links between Islamic leaders and Nazism, leading up to, and during the second world war, to the extent that they even had some nazi-muslim brigades which were renowned for their atrocities, but whether that link to Nazi philosophy truly lives on in Islamic extremism, is the question for today.

No doubt, the psychotic hatred of jews, was and still is a troubling obsession that neo-nazis, and Islamists share, to the extent that we even see the neo-nazis supporting palestine.

But, do these Islamists share any other traits with those of the Nazis?

I suppose a fanatical desire for world domination could be included, but is this just a coincidence, or is the link to Nazism more than just a shared megalomania?

I honestly do not know, but I would think that any decent muslim would wish to see their religion distance itself from any, and all links to that most horrible ethos of the twentieth century, Nazism.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Calanen on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 10:38pm

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If so, I guess Madeline Albright must be a Nazi

Raising her hand to be sworn in as Secretary of State is being a Nazi? You are reaching there Osama.

And Pope Benedict was in a Luftwaffe Gun crew. Good on him. He served his country. He didnt start the war.

But Islam and jihadis idolise the Nazis. Because, Nazis hate jews. And well so do Muslims, hence the hero worship with the Nazi salute. I've got more photos if you like? And that's what it is, it is the archetypal nazi salute, not random people just having to wave their hands in the air like they just don't care at a bit of a dance off.

Except here is the big difference between Germans and Islamonutcases. Germans are meticulous disciplined planners, trainers, record keepers who have something innate that cannot be learnt - competence.

Islam's military people of choice are a bunch of ill disciplined rabble who "ins'allah' may get up for training before mid day if you are lucky. So idolize away. The entirety the Hamas tough guys sitting in cafes drinking tea and driving their SUVs around would be like a little kids scout group compared to one company of SS.

Doesnt mean they cant keep idolising their heroes - the Nazis.

You are shameless in your attempts to make ridiculous comparisons. Dont worry though, you probably convinced Mantra and Gaybriel.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by soren on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 11:49pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:18pm:

Or how about Pope Benedict? Actually this one seriously was a Nazi salute, but it's not his fault, they forced him to ;D

You are a student of paliwood scool of primitive photo manipulation, aren't you? That is a photo of a young priest, raising both hands, in blessing - except the left arm is cropped. The raised shoulder is still visible though.

Albright is shown at her swearing in, the picture cropped again.

Pathetic.

The frigging Baath P Parties of Syria and Iraq are the Arab nazi parties. As Carl Jung, Karl Barth, Hitler and others noticed, Islam and fascism are a good fit.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by soren on Feb 4^th, 2009 at 12:05am

Calanen wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 10:38pm:

[quote]

Islam's military people of choice are a bunch of ill disciplined rabble who "ins'allah' may get up for training before mid day if you are lucky.

It is indeed the Ins'allan. It is the slovely, apathetic minds that cannot think for themselves and resign to ignorance under cover of Allan's will. The clannish social organissation prevents individual initiative, the lack of reason prevents the best man to be promoted and a bizarre mix of pride and incuriousity prevents innovation and problem solving.
Very suitable for the small cell, Mafia/Qaida operation of a handful of zealots destroying one objective and tribal warfare but uselss in organising anything large-scale, requiring cooperation and trust among strangers.
The social orgaanisation of each society reflects the concepts of of its gods. As in heaven, so on earth - a despotic god begets despotic societies.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 4^th, 2009 at 3:24am

Quote:

The frigging Baath P Parties of Syria and Iraq are the Arab nazi parties. As Carl Jung, Karl Barth, Hitler and others noticed, Islam and fascism are a good fit.

Agreed they are Nazi parties, but both Baath parties have long been strict anti-Islamists. Need I remind you of Hama?

That argument went against your claims, not for them. Unless you were just counting on most people to be too docile to realise that just because they're Arabs doesn't mean they were Islamists?

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by soren on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 9:29pm

The nazis and the islamistss find each other easily enough. All you have to do is say 'joo' andd they both come runnng, draggers drawn.

They may hack each other, but only after they have finished with the joos. hence thee islamo-nazi axxis in the midlle east. As long as there are joos, Islamists and nazis will be allies and soul mates.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 3:20am

Both Saddam and Asad killed far more Islamists than they did Jews.

Your argument is a rotting pile of bovine faeces.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 5:38am

Here is an interesting article for former senior CIA operative Michael Scheuer about the covert campaign by the Israeli intelligence services to paint Islam as a successor to Nazism.

"The goal of using the Nazi analogy is to suppress any realistic debate about the pluses and minuses of the U.S.-Israel relationship, and to make sure any American raising questions about U.S. support for Israel is seen as siding with the "Islamofascists," the heirs of Nazism. Any person who knows the least bit about Islam – and the Israelis know a great deal – knows it is not Nazism"
Source: Antiwar.com

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Calanen on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 10:55am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 3:20am:

Both Saddam and Asad killed far more Islamists than they did Jews.

Your argument is a rotting pile of bovine faeces.

Saddam also fired SCUDS into Israel.

You really need a new catchphrase. That one has done so much mileage there are holes in the soles.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Grendel on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:23am

He also paid suicide bombers (families) who targeted Jews.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Lestat on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:43am

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:23am:

He also paid suicide bombers (families) who targeted Jews.

He also gassed kurds with the full support of the US.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Grendel on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:52am

Well no the US didn't support that, nor did it support the invasion of Kuwait.

World politics is a bit complex... back in your shell les.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Lestat on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:58am

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:52am:

Well no the US didn't support that, nor did it support the invasion of Kuwait.

World politics is a bit complex... back in your shell les.

Far to complex for you it would seem.

And yes, they did support it, as well as the gassing of the shi'ites. I suggest you do some research boofy...you might even learn something. It was back when Saddam was a US lackey.

The US actually vetoed a UN resolution condemning Iraq for the incident. Now that would constitute support in anyone's language.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Grendel on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 12:01pm

Like I said... world politics complex...

You should stay in your shell out of the sun :D :D :D

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Lestat on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 12:04pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 12:01pm:

Like I said... world politics complex...

You should stay in your shell out of the sun :D :D :D

Whats wrong boofy. Afraid you might learn something.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Lestat on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 12:08pm

Protected by the West
At that time the regime was not worried about international reaction. In the recording of the meeting of 26 May 1987, Proconsul Al Majid declares: “I will kill them all with chemical weapons. Who is going to say anything? The international community? bugger them! (6)” His language may be coarse, but the cynicism of the butcher of Kurdistan, later promoted governor of Kuwait and subsequently minister of defence, was fully justified.

Iraq was then seen as a secular bulwark against the Islamic regime in Teheran. It had the support of East and West and of the whole Arab world except Syria. All the Western countries were supplying it with arms and funds. France was particularly zealous in this respect. Not content with selling Mirages and helicopters to Iraq, it even lent the regime Super Etendard aircraft in the middle of its war with Iran. Germany supplied Baghdad with a large part of the technology required for the production of chemical weapons. And in an unusual display of East-West military cooperation, German engineers enhanced the performance of the Scud aircraft which Iraq had obtained from the Soviet Union, increasing their range so that they could strike at Teheran and other distant Iranian cities.

Despite the enormous public outrage at the gas attack on Halabja, France, which is a depositary of the Geneva Convention of 1925, confined itself to an enigmatic communiqué condemning the use of chemical weapons anywhere in the world. The UN dispatched Colonel Dominguez, a Spanish military expert, to the scene. In a report published on 26 April 1988, he confined himself to recording that chemical weapons had been used once again both in Iran and in Iraq and that the number of civilian victims was increasing (7). On the same day the UN Secretary-General stated that, with respect to both the weapons themselves and those who were using them, it was difficult to determine the nationalities involved.

Clearly, Iraq’s powerful allies did not want Baghdad condemned. In August 1988 the United Nations Sub-Committee on Human Rights voted by 11 votes to 8 not to condemn Iraq for human rights violations. Only the Scandinavian countries, Australia and Canada, together with bodies like the European Parliament and the Socialist International, saved their honour by clearly condemning Iraq.

Things did not begin to change until the end of the Iraq-Iran conflict and the influx into Turkey in September 1988 of refugees fleeing a new chemical weapons offensive. On 7 September France issued a communiqué in which President Mitterrand expressed concern at information received about the use of chemical weapons and other means of repression against the Kurdish population in Iraq. He added that he had no wish to interfere in Iraq’s internal affairs, but the bonds of friendship between Iraq and France were even more reason to make his feelings known. In America, a resolution urging sanctions against Iraq was tabled by Senator Claiborne D. Pell and passed by both Houses of Congress. It was vetoed by President Bush. The White House even granted Baghdad a further loan of a billion dollars.

It was not until Iraq occupied the oil-rich emirate of Kuwait in August 1990 that Saddam Hussein became America’s bogeyman, referred to by George Bush as a new Hitler. Still useful, however, he survived the Gulf war. American troops did nothing to overturn the Iraqi dictator. And they stood idly by in the spring of 1991 while his presidential guard ruthlessly suppressed the popular uprising for which the United States’ president had himself called.

http://mondediplo.com/1998/03/04iraqkn

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Grendel on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 12:14pm

Oh dear...

believe what you like les... you always do.

There was never any US support for gassing the Kurds.
No issue passed the US government and was voted on.
No support was forthcoming in any way whatsoever.
In fact at the time there was conflicting reports and intelligence in the US and they did not believe the gassing had actually occurred. Hence part of the reason for their UN response.

As for Hussein and US foreign policy in the ME... we've all stated almost without exception that it has been confused and messy and at times totally wrong.

But you cannot in all honesty say the US supported the gassing of the Kurds. But being anti-West and anti-US and a Muslim of total bias and dishonesty... you can.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Grendel on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 12:26pm

Now if I wanted to i could take a more adversarial approach and refute your claims even as they stand.

Quote:

The only verified Kurdish civilian deaths from chemical weapons occurred in the Iraqi village of Halabja, near the Iran border, are several hundred people who died from gas poisoning in mid-March 1988. Iran overran the village and its small Iraqi garrison on 15 March 1988. The gassing took place on 16 March and onwards; who is then responsible for the deaths - Iran or Iraq - and how large was the death toll knowing the Iranian army was in Halabja but never reported any deaths by chemicals?

The best evidence to answer this is a 1990 report by the Strategic Studies Institute of the US Army War College. It concluded that Iran, not Iraq, was the culprit in Halabja. While the War College report acknowledges that Iraq used mustard gas during the Halabja hostilities, it notes that mustard gas is an incapacitating, rather than a killing agent, with a fatality rate of only 2%, so that it could not have killed the hundreds of known dead, much less the thousands of dead claimed by Human Rights Watch.

want the whole story...

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/saddam/2004/1222halabja.htm

Now that throw another light on it doesn't it. I prefer to stick to the facts. You however have a problem of what anti-US argument you take. Muslims... always the victim always contradictory.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Lestat on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 1:25pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 12:26pm:

Now if I wanted to i could take a more adversarial approach and refute your claims even as they stand.

Quote:

Thank you...you have admitted that I am right, and you have even posted why. well done.

Given that now it is a well known and indisputable fact that it was in fact Iraq and not Iran that bombed Halabja, it is clearly evident that US intelligence was either a)wrong b)deliberately misleading in order to protect an ally.

Do you think that given the US was an ally of Iraq at the time, and at odds with the Iranian regime..that maybe this is why the US blamed its enemy (iran) and not its ally (Iraq) at the time for the attrocity? Especially given that the US had recently been exposed arming the Iranians..who were at the time supposed to be the US's enemy, whilst being locked in a confict with a US ally (Iraq).

There is plenty of other evidence highlighting the support of Saddam during the 80's by the US..but thats ok, I won't embarras you any further.

:D

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Calanen on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:00pm

I think in terms of support for Nazism, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem helping Himmler to raise a Muslim SS unit, probably trumps Rumsfeld supporting Saddam.

Just saying.

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by soren on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:20pm

Re. US 'support' for thugocracies - the thinking is probably best summed up by kissinger, commenting on the iraq-iran war:

"It's a pity they both can't lose."

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Grendel on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:52pm

You have a very strange reality Les, my Muslim Turtle.
It's almost a mental handicap.

Comprehension and world politics just aint your bag. :D :D

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Lestat on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:32pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:52pm:

You have a very strange reality Les, my Muslim Turtle.
It's almost a mental handicap.

Comprehension and world politics just aint your bag. :D :D

lol...I have more knowledge in my little finger then you'll ever dream of having. It might explain your short simple dumb answers which don't contribute anything to the debate. You regularly accuse others of being 'dumb' when you quite frankly have nothing to say. Its indictive that once again your tongue tied and resort to the only thing you can say.

You quite clearly quite slow, clueless and arrogant to boot, a rather dangerous combination.

Once again you have failed miserably in responding to any of the issues I've raised. Its no surprise though, cause you clearly have no idea in regards to either politics or history...all your good at is calling others dumb and ROTLMAO.

Might explain why you lead a lonely pathetic life and have to resort to porn to get off. :D

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Lestat on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:34pm

Calanen wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:00pm:

I think in terms of support for Nazism, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem helping Himmler to raise a Muslim SS unit, probably trumps Rumsfeld supporting Saddam.

Just saying.

And Prescott Bush sent millions to the Nazi's to fund their war machine. Not to mention Henry Ford.

So does this mean Americans supported the Nazi's?

Title: Re: Zionazism
Post by Grendel on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:57pm

I have 2 words to describe you Les apart from Muslim turtle.

Self deluded.... but at least you are happy in your work. :D

I see your still obsessing about an untruth?
Much like your other obsession eh... islam. ;D