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Print Email Share Add to My Stories Girl dies after being thrown from bridge Posted 2 hours 21 minutes ago Updated 21 minutes ago Witnesses reported seeing a man throw the child off the bridge. Witnesses reported seeing a man throw the child off the bridge. (AAP: Andrew Henshaw)    * Video: First Cut: The scene at Westgate Bridge (ABC News)    * Map: Melbourne 3000 A four-year-old girl has died after being thrown from the Westgate Bridge in Melbourne and her father has been charged with one count of murder. The 35-year-old Hawthorn man was arrested after the child's body was dragged from the Yarra River about 9.15am (AEDT). Police say witnesses reported seeing a man stop his white Landcruiser near the top of the bridge and throw the child over the side. About 10 minutes later water police pulled the girl from the river near the Scienceworks Technology Museum, close to the Spotswood pumping station. Paramedics then spent 45 minutes trying to revive her on the riverbank. She was flown to the Royal Children's Hospital, where she later died. The girl's father, who was in the Family Court yesterday, was later arrested outside the court in the city. He was charged and will appear in the Melbourne Magistrates Court later today. It is understood the parents of the child had reached an agreement about custody. Police say the man who was arrested was with two other children, aged six and eight, and was visibly distressed. Detective Inspector Steve Clark says the two children are with police and the mother of the dead girl has been informed. "It's a dreadful set of circumstances, and often you think you've seen it all but you haven't," Det Insp Clark said. "It's particularly distressing obviously for family members but for the witnesses who saw what occurred, a number of those people are upset and I've got a number of police here who have young children themselves, who have had to deal with it." Police want witnesses to the incident to contact them. Victorian Premier John Brumby says the incident is a terrible tragedy. "It's such a horrible thing to happen to the child," he said. "As a father I think, what are the circumstances that could possibly bring this about? "I just shuddered when I heard about it, I think every Victorian, you just shudder, you just think, how can that happen?"

I have no problems in saying this person needs to die.

This is one of the reasons there is a justified tendancy for courts to award custody to mothers if the parents cannot agree.

In the main, mums do not do this sort of thing.

The return of the death sentence is way way overdue.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 3:55pm:

This is one of the reasons there is a justified tendancy for courts to award custody to mothers if the parents cannot agree. In the main, mums do not do this sort of thing.

Depends on the age of the child. Post natal depression is fairly prevalent and can lead to this sort of thing. No excuse though.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 3:55pm:

This is one of the reasons there is a justified tendancy for courts to award custody to mothers if the parents cannot agree. In the main, mums do not do this sort of thing.

In the main, neither do men.

I was just listening to a man on the radio who said that although he was horrified at this incident, mad rage had built up in him when he went through a nasty custody battle too.  He felt as though something was exploding in his head and just wanted to reach out and kill whoever got in his way.

Although this murderer was probably filled with a similar rage - he possibly chose the little girl because she would struggle less and the wife may have had a closer relationship with her and this was payback big time.

Whatever his reasons for this murder - he should spend the rest of his life in gaol.  People have just become completely out of control now and there are too many children dying at the hands of their parents.

Now he's lost everything in one split second of fury.

You make it sound like it's something new Mantra.

No it's not new - but everytime you hear about something like this - it seems like the first time.

I was reading about that woman in the US who killed her little 2 year old girl because her manners weren't good enough.  She beat her with a huge strap with help from her partner who stayed home that day to teach the child a lesson.  When they'd stopped beating her - they threw her against the wall a few times and finished her off.

There was a photo of the woman sitting in Court smiling away with her solicitor, while the jury cried at the sadness of this child's life and her terrible death.

Well I don't know if he needs to die.  I'm not partial to the death sentence.

Obviously something very bad and very sad has happened.

But we don't know why.

What would drive someone to kill his or her child?

What drove this man.

From all reports so far it seems he had a complete breakdown of some kind.

I feel a temporary? insanity plea coming up and who is to say in this case it wasn't warranted.

He may just be an evil man and a bad father...  but at this stage I have no idea.

Hate to say it, but this all boils down to the freedom of the individual cult that our society has become slave to.

We're quite simply teaching people to be so self centred and individualist, that when they're placed in situations like this, they just become engulfed in rage and revenge and lose touch completely with reality and any sense of morality they might normally have.

When people worship their own individualism and freedom of choice, they can quite easily choose to do horrific and despicable things like this...

When you replace morality and belief in God with the idea of "you're gonna be dust one day anyway", people have no qualms acting in this manner. Get set for more, because these kinds of despicable acts are just becoming more and more commonplace, as our society becomes more and more Godless.

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When you replace morality and belief in God with the idea of "you're gonna be dust one day anyway", people have no qualms acting in this manner. Get set for more, because these kinds of despicable acts are just becoming more and more commonplace, as our society becomes more and more Godless.

Don't you think it's more because of the stress most people live under today, particularly in crowded cities, where it takes hours to get anywhere and when you finally do - you have to wait again for the smallest thing.  People  have little or no time anymore for themselves - there's always something to do.

Even a simple phone call now to a multinational or government service can enrage you with voice recognition that doesn't recognise, an endless wait for a human and finally disconnection.

Then there's noise - A jet flying overhead or a snoring bedmate can increase blood pressure and heart rate even when we don't stir from our slumber. Stress hormones surge into the bloodstream. Doctors worry that this chain of events creates health problems when it happens all night long, every night of the week. The ability of children to learn is compromised by noise. Noise may worsen some mental illnesses, and even people without previous mental health issues can become downright crazy when exposed to loud noise.

How would religion help those who live under so much stress?  Can God stop a partner from tormenting you? Can God stop your child whinging?  Can God help you tolerate the endless traffic, work duress and those 101 tasks that have to be completed in a day?

I don't think so.  Overcrowding, noise and the unnaturally fast pace people have to move at today is causing breakdowns, rages, abuse and murder.

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 7:11pm:

Well I don't know if he needs to die.  I'm not partial to the death sentence. Obviously something very bad and very sad has happened. But we don't know why. What would drive someone to kill his or her child? What drove this man. From all reports so far it seems he had a complete breakdown of some kind. I feel a temporary? insanity plea coming up and who is to say in this case it wasn't warranted. He may just be an evil man and a bad father...  but at this stage I have no idea.

You just summed up my thoughts.  I just felt sick to the stomach when I heard this report. How could a human being do this kind of thing?  

Yes and rather than throw their children off a bridge, islamists encourage their children to become martyrs.

Apparently he was quite a good dad caught up in a nasty custody battle.

Everyone loses in a battle.

Undoubly the mum was instigating the bitterness. This is invariably the case


abu - stay inside your own enclave
swathe - islamics dont just encourage their own kids blow themselves up, they brainwash them into it and reward it.

What a surprise, Abu blames this on personal freedom and allowing people to think for themselves. Is there anything you won't try to score cheap points from? To suggest that freedom causes people to become engulfed in rage and revenge is just ludicrous.

Well what do you expect from the totally brainwashed fd?


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When you replace morality and belief in God with the idea of "you're gonna be dust one day anyway", people have no qualms acting in this manner. Get set for more, because these kinds of despicable acts are just becoming more and more commonplace, as our society becomes more and more Godless.

Must be a lot of Godless Muslims in the world then.  Or is their God the God of "despicable acts"...

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Must be a lot of Godless Muslims in the world then.  Or is their God the God of "despicable acts"...

I find it  very unlikely a Muslim would hurl their child off a bridge due to a dispute with their spouse. Muslims might commit acts of violence in defence of their country or their lives or their homes... who wouldn't? That's only natural. This act however is just yet another despicable example of a society that's going more and more wrong daily.

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How would religion help those who live under so much stress?

People in Arab countries for instance have much worse traffic than what we have, and much more stress in their lives, in fact if you compare life in Australia with life in most other countries, it'd gotta be about the most laid back unstressed society on earth.


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Overcrowding, noise and the unnaturally fast pace people have to move at today is causing breakdowns, rages, abuse and murder.

I can see your position, because I too once thought Australia was overcrowded and noisey until I traveled overseas and saw what overcrowding and noise actually means. Believe me, EVERY single piece of Australia is like a nice quiet nature reserve, even the centre of Sydney and Melbourne, compared to most other cities in the world.

We really don't appreciate how good we've got it here.

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To suggest that freedom causes people to become engulfed in rage and revenge is just ludicrous.

Not just freedom, but the excessive sanctification of individualism and self-centredness. Most Western societies glorify the concept of individuality and the right for people to do ass they "damn well please"... you can't deny this, it's a fact.

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I find it  very unlikely a Muslim would hurl their child off a bridge due to a dispute with their spouse.

Duh. It is very unlikely that anyone would. Yet for some reason you think think this is somehow characteristic of the west. If someone said that all Muslims are terrorists it would be a more representative portrayal of Islam than this is of the west.


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Not just freedom, but the excessive sanctification of individualism and self-centredness. Most Western societies glorify the concept of individuality and the right for people to do ass they "damn well please"... you can't deny this, it's a fact.

This is just stupid Abu. On the one hand you claim that freedom causes people to become engulfed in rage and revenge, then you go on to say this:


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in fact if you compare life in Australia with life in most other countries, it'd gotta be about the most laid back unstressed society on earth

Oh wait....  of course Muslims have the utmost respect for their children.
That's why they have a thing called HONOUR KILLINGS...  that's why kids are indoctrinated to hate and turned into kiddie-bombs.  ::)

Good call Grendal, no one kills in Gods name, do they.

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I find it  very unlikely a Muslim would hurl their child off a bridge due to a dispute with their spouse.

Pretty fond of killing them for having Western boyfriends however.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:

... I find it  very unlikely a Muslim would hurl their child off a bridge due to a dispute with their spouse. ...

Not in Gaza, that's for sure. They use suicide belts on their girls there, much more frequently too then hurling girls from a bridge here.

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Believe me, EVERY single piece of Australia is like a nice quiet nature reserve, even the centre of Sydney and Melbourne, compared to most other cities in the world.

Sydney is really bad, amongst the worst in the world because of bad planning. Sydney's traffic compares with LAs, and that's saying something.

Man and child dead after apparent fall from a Brisbane bridge, police say
February 20, 2012

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POLICE are treating the deaths of a toddler and a man, who fell from a bridge early this morning, as a murder-suicide.
Police said the man, thought to be the child's father, rode his bike over the footpath on the outbound side of  Brisbane's Story Bridge.

It is thought he threw the child over the safety rail and then jumped.

It is understood the man was aged 40, and the boy just two-years-old.

Police said they did not believe the child was subject to a custody battle of any kind and added the next-of-kin had been notified.

A man walking across the Story Bridge had this morning reportedly alerted police to the deaths.

The man found the pair just after 3am.

LNP leader Campbell Newman extended his condolences to the family, describing the event as "just absolutely awful".

But he refused to be drawn on whether safety improvements were needed on the bridge.

"I think this is just a terrible thing and my heart goes out to the family and relatives and that's all I can say today," he said.

"Let's find out what's really happened here."

Earlier, The Courier-Mail reported that detectives and uniformed police were scouring the area of parkland below the bridge following the tragedy.

Police used a screen for privacy as they loaded the two bodies into a silver van.

Scientific police also dusted for fingerprints on the outbound footpath of the Story Bridge and cordoned off a mangrove area in the search for clues.

This is the third security incident in the last year at the Story Bridge.

A woman jumped to her death after murdering her teenage daughter in September 2011.

Two months later a father also caused traffic chaos when he scaled the bridge to protest over personal issues.

The incidents have prompted frustrated residents to call for safety screens across the bridge where pedestrians walk to prevent more people from falling and jumping.


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Police data show up to one suicide happens every three weeks at the West Gate Bridge. A 2004 coroner's report recommended anti-suicide fencing or barriers be erected on the bridge to deter people from taking their lives.

In 2008, the bodies of a mother in her late 20s and her 18-month-old baby were found on the river bank below the West Gate Bridge, prompting further calls to erect a suicide barrier.

Those who argue for a suicide barrier claim that most of those who jump from the West Gate Bridge do so through impulse and that police officers who try to save those who try to jump are putting their own lives in danger.

There are multiple incidents of police officers dangling off the side of the bridge while holding onto would-be jumpers.

A 2000 Royal Melbourne Hospital study on people who jumped from the bridge found at least 62 cases between 1991 and 1998. Seven people survived the 58-metre fall. Seventy-four percent of those who jumped from the bridge were male, with an average age of 33. More than 70 percent were suffering from mental illness.

Of those who jumped off the West Gate Bridge, 31 percent fell on land. Some of those who land in water drowned afterwards.

In 2008, Melbourne girl, Darcy Freeman, was thrown off of the bridge by her father and later died in hospital.
She was only 4 years old. Her father, Arthur Freeman, was subject to a custodial order and was deeply disturbed by the verdict.
In April 2011, Freeman was found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison.

In February 2009 the first stage of a temporary suicide barrier was erected, constructed of concrete crash barriers topped with a welded mesh fence. By June that year it has been claimed that the fence has prevented two suicides.

Most of the second stage of the barrier has been completed throughout the span of the bridge. The barriers are costed at $20 million

abu_rashid - so you've weighed in with the Muslim point of view.

Yes we should really listen to you. After all women get stoned to death for staying outside the marriage. I've even heard of cases where women have been sent to jail after being pack raped, for 'provoking' the men.

Then we have the Taliban abducting children and sticking Ak-47's in their hands then its a choice, either fight for the Taliban or die.

Yours is one fu.ked up society, so don't even come near this post with your fu.ked society's views. We don't want to hear them.