Quite a few of the blind Zionist supporters here have claimed that Zionism is peaceful and poses no threat to the West (anymore, as they must concede in the past it did attack the British). After examining the activities of two militant Zionist organisations in the USA, one would also have to concede that the "Peaceful Zionists" theory is just a load of crap.

Two of the most outspoken Zionist groups in the USA, who just claim to be defending Jewish rights against anti-Semitism are the JDO and the JDL. The JDL was the first of the two groups, and the JDO grew as a more extreme offshoot of the JDL after the JDO's founder Mordechai Levy had a violent disagreement with the JDL leadership.

JDL: The JDL was founded in 1968 by the Rabbi Meir Kahane, who was once a member of the Israeli Knesset (parliament), as a vigilante group claiming to defend the Jewish community of Brooklyn from anti-Semitic attacks. Baruch Goldstein, who committed the Hebron Mosque, when he walked into a mosque and murdered about 50 praying Palaestinians was a follower and disciple of Kahane's political party, Kach.

In its report, Terrorism 2000/2001, the FBI referred to the JDL as a "violent extremist Jewish organization" and stated that the FBI was responsible for thwarting at least one of its terrorist acts."

In 1985, Irv Rubin became the leader of the JDL when Rabbi Kahane moved to Israel to take up his seat in the Knesset. Rubin had been charged with inciting murder and acts of terrorism throughout the late 1970's and early 80's before heading the JDL.

In 1985 Alex Odeh, the local chairman of the pro-Palestinian American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) was killed by a bomb while opening to the door to his Santa Ana, California office. Rubin was suspected, and further antagonized his opponents by saying that "Odeh got what he deserved." However, the JDL has insisted the attack was committed by others. The FBI was unable to prove its original allegations against the JDL, given that the original suspects in the case fled to Israel (And of course Israel cannot hand Jews over to 'goy'). The crime remains unsolved. The investigation of Rubin was headed by FBI special agent Mary Hogan, the same agent who signed the affidavit accusing Rubin of planning to destroy government property and other targets in 2001.

On December 12, 2001, Irv Rubin, JDL Chairman, and Earl Krugel, a member of the organization, were charged with conspiracy to bomb private and government property. The two allegedly were caught in the act of planning bomb attacks against the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California and on the office of U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, who is Arab-American. The two were arrested as part of a sting operation after an FBI informant named Danny Gillis delivered explosives to Krugel's home in L.A. Both Rubin and Krugel died in prison under mysterious circumstances.

Rubin was also an active member of the US Republican party, and later the Libertarian party, prior to his imprisonment and death.

JDO: The JDO was formed in the late 1980's after one of the JDL's members Mordechai Levy had a falling out with Irv Rubin (head of the JDL). Levy was charged with 4 counts of murder in 1989 when he opened fire on Rubin in public, wounding an innocent bystander. In 2000 Levy was again arrested for assaulting a 12 yo. Jewish boy. During sentencing, Rubin wrote the following letter to the judge:

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Dear Judge Hering, On May 25, 2000, you will be sentencing Mordechai Levy for a vicious assault he perpetrated against a 12-year old Jewish youngster. I respectfully ask you to sentence Levy to the maximum term you can impose under the law. Levy is a danger to every human being who comes near him. In 1989, he fired a semiautomatic AR-15 from the rooftop of 6 Bleecker Street, his residence in Manhattan. I was his intended target along with two associates who were attempting to serve legal papers on him. His gunfire wounded an innocent plumber sitting in his vehicle. Levy was subsequently convicted of "wanton and reckless disregard for human life." For indiscriminately spraying a New York street with gunfire, Levy was sentenced to four years in jail, but incredibly he only spent four months for this despicable crime. Your Honor, you have an opportunity to severely punish a man who beat up a child and then kicked the boy in his scrotum. As a Jew and an activist in the Jewish community, I humbly beg you to take into account both the seriousness of the crime and also Levy's entire criminal record when you hand down your sentence. With my trust in the American legal system, I know you will do the right thing. Respectfully yours, Irv Rubin

Levy is also known for his running legal battles with independent licensed investigator and noted electronic privacy researcher and former JDO member Steven Rombom, for which Rombom would ultimately sue Levy and the JDO for in 1997 alleging defamation, false light invasion of privacy, and incitement to violence, for his incessant attacks against ADL (another Jewish 'rights' group in the US) founder Abraham Foxman and others. Along with JDO activist A. J. Weberman, also known for his activism in the Youth International Party (Yippies,) Levy and the JDO were successfully sued for libel more recently and fined $850,000.

Levy also founded a terrorist training camp in upstate New York, called Camp Jabotinsky, named after the extremist Zionist leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky.

ROTFLMAO

Do you admit that all Jews are not Zionists?

Can you tell us all when and where Zionist terrorists have waged war on the West?

Grendel,

Don't you think the "ROTFLMAO" response to everything has grown a little boring?

I certainly do, and I don't think I'm alone. Also it tends to indicate you're not really capable of answering people's claims. Which is fine, you ddon't need to be able to, but you also don't need to run around replying to every thread. In short if you have a decent response, by all means present it,, if not, "ROTFLMAO" is not really a suitable substitute for a decent response.


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Do you admit that all Jews are not Zionists?

Of course I do. I am actually in the process of compiling a nice little piece on the anti-Zionist Neturei Karta, who are an Orthodox movement of Jews, that originally lived amongst their Arab cousins in Palestine, prior to the arrival of the British and Zionists. And who completely opposed the creation of Israel, and still do today, on the grounds it's specifically forbidden in the Talmud.


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Can you tell us all when and where Zionist terrorists have waged war on the West?

Well I already listed above a few cases of Jewish terrorism in the West. Would you like to have been that innocent bystander who was shot when Levy opened fire in a public street with his automatic machine gun?

However if you want to go through it historically, you could begin with the bombing of the King David hotel in Jerusalem during the time of the Briitish mandate.

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ROTFLMAO is pretty appropriate to most things you post.

LOL...  you can't think of any organised terrorist acts except for back in the days of the mandate eh?  How relevant of you.

I can think of lots of Muslim terrorist acts in contemporary times.

Grendel,

Firstly, my initial post lists a few recent attacks that occured in the USA. US citizens were the targets.

Secondly, we have the Lavon affair, during which the Zionists bombed Western targets in Egypt, to increase the West's support for Israel and opposition to the Arabs. The Lavon affair is the only operation we found out about... because one of their agents accidentally exploded his bomb on himself, God only knows how many other times they've done this, without getting caught, their intelligence services are certainly much more adept today than they were in the time of the Lavon affair. There are so many terrorist attacks blamed on Muslims, for which nobody has claimed responsibilty, probably Lavon affair type incidents. As Muslims almost always claim responsibility.

Thirdly, the fact that the Zionists have been appeased with one of the largest arsenals in the world of all sorts of nasty weapons, and diplomatic immunity to pretty much do as they like, means that for now they are placated... The history, during the time of the British in Palestine shows us that when they don't get what they want from the West, they have no qualms about committing all sorts of nasty attacks against them.

Fourthly, most of those things which you count as terrorist attacks against the West are most likely military strikes by insurgents in countries the US occupies against military targets, not civilians... like the ludicrous "12,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11" crap that jihadwatch and other mindless conveyers of Islamophobic crap regurgitate.

I'm thinking apart fron the anti-jewis bias you show that you might just be a tad in denial about the terrorist acts done in the name of Allah, Abu.

In other words: "You're right, they have committed a few".

Why can't you just admit when you're wrong?

The saddest part is, they couldn't care less about you, and would have no qualms bombing "goyim" to smithereens if you stand in their way and you blindly support them like they're your own family. Don't you have any pride or dignity?

just quote where I've been wrong without lying or misinterpreting what I said.

That'll be a real test for you I know.

HARD TO BE HONEST WHEN DISHONESTY COMES SO EASILY TO YOU.

What you don't seem to understand is that I don't care about them.  they are not threatening my way of life or seeking world domination.

I don't see pride as particularly useful and I have all the dignity I need.  One day you might develop some real world priorities.  Pride goeth before a fall....  and look how far Muslims have fallen.  

The muslims have not fallen a great deal and our perception of them is irrelevant to them.

That being said, their perception of me matter not because I don't like them nor any zionist elements, whether they have influence or not. Their goals are what matter to me.

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Calanen,

Can you put aside your hypocrisy for a moment Mr. Tu Quoque?

Just address the issue at hand, instead of always pointing the finger back at Hamas every two seconds. After all, you constantly complain about such things when they occur in your threads, even though they are never quite as blatantly obvious as your attempt to just sideline the actual issue here. At least I only ever refer to the crimes of the other side IN THE CONTEXT of addressing the issue. You completely leave addressing the issue out of the thread altogether, and just point to the crimes of the other side.

So if you're actually able to address the topic at hand, please do so, if not, kindly exit the thread through your favourite link.

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they are not threatening my way of life or seeking world domination

Grendel they have probably already got world domination.  How many zionists run the World Bank and the IMF?

Even in that fact alone they hold developing countries to ransom - giving them money they can't afford to pay back so in exchange all their mates from the multinationals can monopolise and destroy the country in the process by establishing their huge oil drilling, processing and mining sites wherever they please.

The World Bank tells us all what we can and can't do.

Yadda is correct.
Islam is afraid of truth and abu proved it again by banning me from his pet forum so Islam isn't exposed as ideology of lies, deception and violence.

Koran is the book of lies and koran upholders are chip liers.