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Title: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:54am
"THE nation's tourism sector has slammed the Rudd Government for not coming to the aid of the struggling industry despite giving billions to the car industry, saying they were placed at the "back of the line" because they did not have union backing.
The attack came as figures released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics yesterday showed the number of foreign visitors to Australia plummeted 5.1 per cent in November compared to the previous year. The number of travellers heading overseas outstripped the number of foreign visitors to the country by more than 35,000 -- the biggest tourist deficit in 23years. Industry leaders, due to meet informally today with staff from Tourism Minister Martin Ferguson's office, yesterday said an economic assistance package was essential to head off major job losses. Australian Tourism Export Council managing director Matthew Hingerty said: "It (tourism industry assistance) is going to cost the taxpayer significantly less than the car industry funding package. "But there's a pattern emerging here, and that is if you're an industry backed by a large unionised workforce, you can expect assistance -- otherwise you're at the back of the line." Kevin Rudd announced a $6.2billion assistance package for the car industry in November. Mr Hingerty said he was "taken aback" by the sharp drop-off in overseas visitors, which was more dramatic than expected. He said forecasts pointed to a further 4.2 per cent slump in foreign visitors this year, which represented a $1billion fall in export revenue, or 200,000 visitors. Since a peak in July, the number of visitors in November from the US dropped 9.5 per cent, from Japan 14.1 per cent, China 9.7 per cent and Singapore 10.1 per cent, in seasonally adjusted terms. ......" http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24904670-2702,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:56am
PROMISED tax cuts could be brought forward a year as the Rudd Government considers options for a second emergency package to counter the worsening global economy.
Wayne Swan said yesterday the Government was determined to do all it could to strengthen the economy in the face of the international crisis. "We are certainly all in this together - Australian families, businesses large and small and the Rudd Government - and we stand ready to take more decisive action should the international situation deteriorate further," the Treasurer said. The Government is in the process of spending $10.4 billion, with payments to pensioners, families and carers, and increasing the first-home buyers grant. However, it is coming under pressure from the International Monetary Fund to do more, and both the domestic and international oulooks have darkened since the first stimulus package was unveiled in October. The recession in the US is becoming increasingly severe, with 550,000 people losing their jobs last month, pushing the unemployment rate to a 16-year high of 7.2 per cent. The employment outlook in Australia is also getting worse. The ANZ's monthly survey of job advertisements shows a 9.7 per cent fall in December alone, with the number of jobs on offer falling by 27.2 per cent since July. The ANZ's head of Australian economics, Warren Hogan, said the pace of decline was consistent with a recession over the next nine months and suggested rising unemployment that would last for several years. He said the collapse of job advertisements meant the Government's budget position was weakening faster than it forecast in its budget update last November, which tipped the unemployment rate to rise to 5 per cent. "We expect to see an upward revision to the official unemployment forecast in the May budget resulting in a further deterioration in the Government's financial position," he said. A tax cut of $3.4 billion is locked in from July 1 and it is possible the Government may bring forward a further $4.5 billion in tax cuts presently planned for the middle of next year. The tax cuts planned both this year and next involve lifting the threshold at which the 30c-in-the-dollar tax rate cuts in, from $34,000 to $37,000, and lifting the threshold for the low-income tax offset from $14,000 to $16,000. People earning less than this will pay no tax, while people earning up to $67,500 will have some entitlement to the low-income tax offset. Mr Swan's office would not comment specifically on the IMF's suggestions for increased budget stimulus or on the options it was considering. Economists believe the budget is already on course to run a deficit next year, with estimates ranging from $5billion to $25 billion. The Government's last budget update predicted a small surplus. Macquarie Bank senior economist Brian Redican said there was a strong case for the Government to boost spending, even if it pushed the deficit to 2 per cent of GDP (or $25 billion). "There is scope to bring forward the tax cuts due for 2010-11, and the politicians will be thinking very hard about what they could do to lift the housing construction market," he said. He said one-off payments to the unemployed would also be an option for the Government, as these would be rapidly reinjected back into the economy with additional spending. The IMF has set a global goal for budget stimulus packages to total 2 per cent of global GDP, but it wants nations with strong budgetary positions, such as Australia, to do more. ........" http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24904684-601,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:22am
The world is under pressure sprint, but as the song goes, we're all in this together.
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Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:35am
skippy - I feel aussie has not felt the sting of recession yet.
"MALCOLM Turnbull has backed calls to bring forward tax cuts to stimulate the economy. The Opposition Leader, who criticised the Government's stimulus package involving cash handouts last year as a "sugar hit", said today that tax cuts remained the best way to keep the economy ticking over. "We argued last year that tax cuts should be brought forward," he said today. "That is the best way to promote business activity which of course encourages people to take on employees, retain employees, invest, take risks - all those decisions that keep the wheels of industry moving." Mr Turnbull said he would "weigh up" the need for further tax cuts. He has commissioned a major review of tax policy that is being conducted for the Opposition by economist Henry Ergas. The Coalition is also expected to hold a tax summit later this year." http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24906369-601,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by freediver on Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:43am
Finally, the opposition has grown some balls. Tax cuts are a much better option than handouts.
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Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Jan 13th, 2009 at 12:18pm freediver wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:43am:
Only if you pay tax, people on benifits dont, so how do tax cuts help pensioners ? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by freediver on Jan 13th, 2009 at 12:20pm
It is better for the economy and the country as a whole. Obviously the people who would have gotten a handout are likely to be worse off.
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Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Jan 13th, 2009 at 12:38pm freediver wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 12:20pm:
I agree tax cuts are a good idea what I dont agree with is that hand outs are bad, I think both have their place. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by freediver on Jan 13th, 2009 at 12:54pm
The money has to come from somewhere. Any handout requires you to either increase tax or forgo a tax cut. You can't have both. You have to choose.
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Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Jan 13th, 2009 at 1:02pm freediver wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 12:54pm:
No it dosn't, the handout before xmas saw neither of those things occur. IE, no tax cuts cancelled and no rises in tax. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by freediver on Jan 13th, 2009 at 1:10pm
Cancelling a tax cut is not the same thing as forgoing one. Just because the government doesn't announe in the same package "BTW we could have cut taxes but decided on this handout instead, so suck on that wage earners!" does not mean there is no choice. Money doesn't grow on trees. The choice is real. The government just tries to hide it from you. It's like you are pretending that the purchase of an expensive new car won't mean you have to forgo some other purchase. There is always a choice. This is the most fundamental choice in government taxation and expenditure.
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Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by DonaldTrump on Jan 13th, 2009 at 6:14pm wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:22am:
I want to put a bullet in Ben Lee's brain. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by DARWIN on Jan 14th, 2009 at 10:23pm
Tax cuts give a very low bang for the buck. "Handouts" are better as are govt spending, esp on economic infrastructure.
Have a look at P. Krugman's blog in the NYT. Hmmm and no amount of spending on advertising tourism etc is going to bring tourists from countries evn further into recession than us. Geez, why don't some [eople think b4 posting? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 19th, 2009 at 8:54am Quote:
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24930554-952,00.html Unbelievable. ALP been in less than a year, are already claiming "poverty, doom, gloom, broke" |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Amadd on Jan 19th, 2009 at 7:53pm Quote:
Well supplies supplies. Everybody has bought enough Chinese junk. Howard was a complete tightass with infrastructure when things were booming. And his "false boom" was only fueled by ridiculous overspending and overborrowing whilst simultaneously strangling working conditions. What a twit he was. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 20th, 2009 at 8:27am What a potato head he is. If it is looking so dire now, the surplus he gave away willy nilly last year would have been especially good to have in the bank. Anyone here had cash in their pocket when others are broke ? GOOD situation to be in. This has been brewing for years, rudds a reactive micromanager. Quote:
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24936500-952,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by freediver on Jan 20th, 2009 at 8:44am
Actually sprint the handouts last year when the global crisis hit made sense from a macroeconomic perspective. It was the handouts that Howard gave, when the economy was 'overheated' that were bad.
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Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by nabru on Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:57am Amadd wrote on Jan 19th, 2009 at 7:53pm:
And yet he left $20billion plus in the kitty, which this lot have managed to flush down the toilet in less than 12 months. Re working conditions, Heather Ridout, CE of the Aust Ind Group, and advisor to the govt, has stated that the changes being implemented by the current govt, are bad for employment in the current climate. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:42pm
actually f/d , the financial is yet to hit our shores.
$10 billion in the bank now is worth substantially more than it was last year. To give away $20 billion last year is looking a worse decision on a monthly basis now. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on Jan 21st, 2009 at 6:18am Quote:
No it's not. With our very low dollar and low interest rates - it's worth a lot less now. Better to spend it than have it dwindle down to nothing which is what's happening to savings at present. Rudd took a gamble - it may not have been the best, but it wasn't as bad as Howard's porkbarrelling over the years. All that money the coalition had - and nothing to show for it. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by freediver on Jan 21st, 2009 at 10:54am Quote:
That is partly because of Rudd's actions. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 21st, 2009 at 11:03am f/d - i feel it was due to our resources. Now those prices have fallen, so superrudd had better mightily support those too !!! Quote:
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24942045-952,00.html As that song goes "The rich get richer and the poor get the picture ...." Who sung that again, what has happened to him . Wait a second, you've been had !!! |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Amadd on Jan 21st, 2009 at 12:51pm Quote:
I agree, it's a culture of greed that has gotten us into this mess in the first place. The "boom" that we had was merely a credit boom. Howard (government) continued to sell of assets and got the government debt into surplus, but as Keating said, "they're just moving the pea around under the shells". Another so-called aim of the Libs was to reduce foreign debt. We all know what happened there, and we should all know the consequences of it. Tax cuts to the rich, a blowout in housing prices, banks offering money hand over fist to people with huge mortgages, CEO's on obscene salaries, serfchoices...it was all a recipe for disaster. And now that the disaster is hitting (as it was in the last six months of the Libs) there's still people who try to blame our present government for this mess. This country is in debt so far that we can't even pay the interest. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 27th, 2009 at 1:22pm Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24966998-5015664,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by freediver on Jan 27th, 2009 at 2:20pm
That one makes a bit more sense sprint. He sounds like he's actually interested in the economics rather than partisan point scoring.
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Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Mar 7th, 2009 at 9:56pm
The truth starts to eke out.
Leftard aussies ALREADY shy away from confessing they voted for ruddydudd. Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25148674-7583,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Mar 8th, 2009 at 10:35am Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 7th, 2009 at 9:56pm:
Two things sprint- Who are these lefty Aussies shying away from Rudd? he has a 66% aproval up against Turnbull on 19-20% ay best, which brings me to my next point. Turnbull wrote the bloody story, What would you expect him to write? he is just gripping onto power of his own party and I doubt he'll see out the year as leader. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Mar 8th, 2009 at 1:08pm
skippy - people I know are quite disenchanted with ruddy.
Did you notice his wife gave herself a $1 million bonus ? turnbull writes well. logical correct discussion |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on Mar 9th, 2009 at 6:59am Quote:
This is very disappointing especially as Rudd has been spruiking that extreme capitalism has to end. Rudd's stimulus package is not working. He is ensuring that our country has huge future deficits which our children will have to pay back. An interesting extract by the economic historian Professor Niall Ferguson of Harvard & Oxford:- The reality being repressed is that the western world is suffering a crisis of excessive indebtedness. Many governments are too highly leveraged, as are many corporations. More importantly, households are groaning under unprecedented debt burdens. Worst of all are the banks. The best evidence that we are in denial about this is the widespread belief that the crisis can be overcome by creating yet more debt. There is a better way to go but it is in the opposite direction. The aim must be not to increase debt but to reduce it. http://www.niallferguson.com/site/FERG/Templates/ArticleItem.aspx?pageid=204 Professor Niall goes on to offer solutions - but this is exactly what Rudd is doing - increasing our debt load. He is no better than Howard and could end up being far worse. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Mar 9th, 2009 at 9:39am Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 8th, 2009 at 1:08pm:
So the people you know are in the minority, how many of them voted for Rudd anyway? me thinks a PM with 66% aproval will be a PM for a long time. As for his wife, you mean she paid herself 1.4 million fron her OWN company? a company that isn't going broke, isn't packing up and moving overseas, and is owned by her, gee I hope you dont work for yourself sprint, what would you do, give all your profits to charity? Anybody trying to tie this in with Pacific brands is way off the mark, but desperate politicians do desperate things, how longs Mal got left as leader ? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by freediver on Mar 9th, 2009 at 9:56am mantra wrote on Mar 9th, 2009 at 6:59am:
Mantra, on average there is zero debt. One person's debt is another person's credit. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on Mar 9th, 2009 at 10:54am freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2009 at 9:56am:
It depends who it's owed to. Currently personal debt in Australia is around $750 billion and our foreign trade debt is $600 plus billion. A good proportion of that $750 billion might be owed to banks, but where did the banks borrow the money from - mainly overseas where interest rates have always been consistently lower enabling larger profits for Australian banks. Superannuation is in a serious mess too - not only has much of it been lost from the sub-prime crisis, but we find out today that there's another $56 billion that has been mislaid between the employer, post office and the tax office. The right whingers used to spruik that no matter how much debt we were in - our superannuation would cover it. That myth has flown out the window. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Mar 11th, 2009 at 10:23am Quote:
tbc |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Mar 11th, 2009 at 10:24am Quote:
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/janetalbrechtsen/index.php/theaustralian/comments/rudd_hiding_behind_st_therese/ Onya Janet |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Mar 11th, 2009 at 10:51am Quote:
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/janetalbrechtsen/index.php/theaustralian/comments/who_is_the_real_rudd Article abridged for space reasons |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Mar 12th, 2009 at 7:57am Here's labors logic. Borrowing money to give it away to losers. We are ALL in the gun to repay it - hello banana republic !!!!!!!!!!!! Quote:
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25175079-5003402,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by oceanZ on Mar 12th, 2009 at 9:17am If we were on such a downward path of stupidity..Keating would have put his hand up by now. Thats the way he is. He cant help himself. Until then I wont worry. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by oceanZ on Mar 12th, 2009 at 9:21am Quote:
Now Im a bit worried. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Ummah = Slums on Mar 12th, 2009 at 11:51am oceanz wrote on Mar 12th, 2009 at 9:17am:
Well you never were that smart anyhow. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by freediver on Mar 12th, 2009 at 1:11pm
Please don't make it personal AN.
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Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Mar 19th, 2009 at 1:07pm Yet another rudd dream has bitten the dust. Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25208445-5014087,00.html |
Title: Rudd flirts with a double dissolution .... Post by sprintcyclist on Mar 20th, 2009 at 9:08am And guess who has to pay for his ego ?? [quote]LABOR will use its numbers in the lower house today to reject a Senate-amended version of its Fair Work bill, setting up a parliamentary showdown. It could be the first step on the path to a double-dissolution election. Treasurer Wayne Swan said Labor was “absolutely determined” to push through parliament its planned changes to IR laws. He confirmed the Government would use its numbers in the lower house today to reject an amended Fair Work Bill, passed by the Senate hours in the small hours of this morning. The bill will then be sent back to the upper house. /[quote] http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25214526-601,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Kytro on Mar 20th, 2009 at 9:29am
The senate has no obligation to support government plans. If the government wants to risk another election and try to gain more power, so be it.
The ALP will not be getting any support from me while they keep trying to implement stupid crap like trying to tax a problem out of existence or tell me what I should or should not look at on the internet (I am not talking illegal stuff). |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Apr 19th, 2009 at 10:34pm Quote:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/a-rudd-awakening-20090418-aavb.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Apr 21st, 2009 at 10:47pm Noice - the ALP stick it up farmers. Thankfully farmers know when they are being buggered and have a long memory. Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25361302-7583,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Apr 28th, 2009 at 12:45pm
This is how ALP looks after their voters.
Or is it how the ALP make houses more affordable - if you still have a job that is. Quote:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/more-lose-homes-as-job-losses-bite-20090427-akoi.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Apr 29th, 2009 at 9:12am What srudd going to do about all these voters ? it never happened under Howard. Quote:
http://business.smh.com.au/business/thousands-living-on-borrowed-time-20090428-am0w.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Apr 29th, 2009 at 9:55am
That's because Howard didn't have to deal with the worst financial crisis in living memory.
Do you think Australia is some how immune to what happens in the world sprint? you must or else you wouldn't post such nonsense. Australia is part of the world economy. no matter who was PM we would be affected, do you understand that? I suspect I'm wasting my time. Of course we wouldn't be in such a bad position had Howard not squandered so much money from the mining boom, its a real pity he and Costello never had the for sight to spend money on infrastructure when they had so much coming in, instead they squandered it on pork barrelling. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on Apr 29th, 2009 at 10:22am
Those who voted for Rudd found that their biggest worry under the Coalition - the utter waste of cash and the neglect of our infrastructure. We could be leading the world - but instead we're way down the list, not much further ahead of developing countries.
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Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Apr 29th, 2009 at 10:27am the buck stops with the boss. rudds in charge, howard and the libs dealt with it very well, they are in opposition !!!!!!!! Look at how rudd is goin to change the world by signing kyoto, a computer for every school kids, broadband to every house, ........ on and on and on. he has failed at almost every false promise, avoids the media's questions , now those who voted for him are being thrown out of their homes. And the ALPers say "its not ruddys fault." You all read from his script also ?? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on Apr 29th, 2009 at 10:30am
I'm not happy with Rudd. I believe he's getting us into too much government debt which our kids will have to pay for. He's making a lot of mistakes but people think he's wonderul because of the handouts.
They are not gifts - they are loans. Howard was past his use by date and Rudd was the only alternative. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Apr 29th, 2009 at 10:45am Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 29th, 2009 at 10:27am:
Just more bulls hit hey sprint? ,try to deal with facts its much easier to follow. Rudds in charge, yes he is, do you blame Rudd for the world recession? so Costello says he agrees with signing Kyoto as well, looks like the parties left you behind there sprint. The broadband plan is called infrastructure .something I know you Liebrils aren't familiar with, its called nation building Labor governments have been doing it in Australia for years, You've probably only lived in our country a short time so don't understand. As for the rest of your little spit, Rudd's more popular now than when he kicked the rodents butt eighteen months ago, that means he's gaining new supporters and the Libs are losing even more. Your old fashion fascist ways might be popular in NZ but not here ,if you want a rightard fascist bar stars for a PM,why not move back home, the conservatives need all the support they can get, most people who think with their heads have moved on and dumped the fascists, but they'll always be some dissenters who never learn to use their brain. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by oceanb on Apr 29th, 2009 at 10:49am
Yes Skippy ,Im wondering how Howard would have done it any better.. to be honest..seriously how would the opposition for all their usual/ and expected bagging of how Ruud and Swan are handling this , have done it any differently?..Rudd says its quite doeable to pay the debt off when the recession lifts and they are talking about a 2 year time frame, when the economy is ticking over again..I have faith in that.
They are acting preventively and that sounds very sensible..they are saying if not for the stimulus measures put in place so far the downturn would be far worse. As for the handouts, they should be selective who they are directed to, for it is clear those who dont need the money are squirrelling it away and not using it as intended..it is only the poor who are actually have to spend it. So many struggling families getting some relief..I cant see how it is a bad thing and they are actually using the money as it was intended..whereby those who stash the money away are in a sense derailing the whole process. Spend money to make money. It will pay off and Rudd and Swan cant be that blind as to not think beyond the recession.. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:03am skippy - no I don't blame rudd for the recession. I blame the leftards that bought what they could not afford. costello said that to negate some of rudds big-noting populist whims. it's a bad policy for aussie with no benefit for the world. As howard said, he won't do it as it won't help aussie. It has not helped any country who has signed it. yes, I know what infrastructure is. putting in cable across aussie to enable people to see clips faster is not infrastructure. it will be obselete before it is up. it's a populist whim at our expense. rudd runs the media well, very few articles against him. the polls are very selective. NZ is even more leftard than aussie. thats quite a gong really - "old fashioned rightard fascist " Greatly appreciated, never knew you cared so much. :-) Ok if I use it as a singature ? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:10am
They should be selective about the handouts because they have been given out to anyone and everyone even those people who don't live in Australia.
I thought I'd take advantage of that insulation thing on offer even though I had a roof blanket put in last year and the girl was out this morning. You have to pay up front and then apply for the rebate and the price has doubled since last year. She was telling me that property investors with up to 20 homes have been getting their investment houses done. They get a $1300 rebate for investment property whereas a home owner gets $1600 - but the costs of getting it done exceeds $1600. My quote was $2100 and it's not a big house - last year, it was under $1,000. It's just pushed prices up outrageously and the representative confirmed that as well. Those with the cash to pay up front will get it done quickly and those who haven't will probably not get a chance because it cuts off at $2.5 billion. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:15am Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:03am:
Wow so NZ is more left wing than Australia even tho NZ has a conservative gov, just goes to show that Rudd truly is the most conservative Labor PM in this countries history and even more conservative than Menzies as many have stated. The people to blame for the WFC are the rightard neocons sprint, they were in control when all this happened, luckily we in Australia and those in the US could see that those fascist govs were stuffing up our economy and elected some moderate govs to try and fix the greedy conservative mess they have left the world in. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by oceanb on Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:20am mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:10am:
Well thats just not good enough .And who has the money to pay up front anyway ..inflation and capitalists stuffing it up for everyone else again as usual, the rich get richer..the poor are screwed over. The handouts are not a bad idea but I do know someone who was overpaid by $900.00..it will be paid back later I expect when they least can afford too..they didnt return it as far as I know. And all the others you speak of Mantra that is just such sloppy accounting..it was a good idea, but it was not targetted for maximum benefit. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:22am mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:10am:
That's the problem with rebates, its the same for solar hot water or power, you need the money up front. I'm not surprised that it has doubled since last year mantra, I was looking at a site last week that listed all the jobs in order of being recession proof, insulation installers came second on the list as a major growth industry. God if that's the sort of quotes they are giving maybe I should start up an insulation business. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Apr 29th, 2009 at 12:33pm skippy - how do I attach a signature ?? "Traditonal rightard neocon" sounds good to me :-) Any recession is a normally occurring event. Same as a cold. those that borrowed money caused it. Anyone force you to buy a plasma TV or 4X4 SUV ??? ![]() |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Apr 29th, 2009 at 12:43pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 29th, 2009 at 12:33pm:
I dont have a plasma, but I've got two 4wds, but so what? I'm not in trouble. The WFC was because rightard neocons are greedy little t urds who care for no one but them selves. everybody knows the WFC started in the US as a result of George W Bush inadequacy to manage that economy and in turn it stuffed the world. George W along with Howard have much to answer for and so do their supporters. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Apr 29th, 2009 at 12:50pm
you're prob not in trouble cause you thought for yourself, like many grownups do.
US public have spent well beyond teir means for a very long time. As have Aussie, england, NZ. the responsibility lies with those that borrowed as much as they could. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on Apr 29th, 2009 at 12:54pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 29th, 2009 at 12:50pm:
Ha ha ha, so do I get any royalties for that signature sprint? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:00pm skippy - course you do. A 50/50 split sound ok ? You also get an input as to the signature. Go for it. meanwhile, rudd shows his (jellylike) backbone..... Quote:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-escalates-action-over-asylum-seekers-20090424-ai1n.html Honestly, to all the leftards, however could you say rudd is "esculating action" when he sends a lacky over to talk ....???????? what rudd doubletalk is this ?? it means absolutely zilch. And shows the media prints eactly what he wants. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 1st, 2009 at 9:26am Ruddys "stimulus package" has failed . ie, he has given away ALL our money and more for no descernable benefit whatsoever. Now we are in a recession, with no money. ALP strikes again. Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25410729-7583,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on May 1st, 2009 at 10:26am
This I agree with - this money will have to be paid back. There's such a stuff up at the tax office that 58,000 backpackers and those on temporary work visas who have left the country are getting the $900 in some cases it has been given twice as per the news yesterday.
With the $1400 in December - 76,000 people who resided permanently overseas received the payment and the total of these stuff ups runs into billions. Although I prefer Rudd to Howard because he is more compassionate, he has gone to the extreme. The overpayments made in Australia might be recuperated, but they certainly won't be recuperated from foreign workers who have gone home. Also the IMF still considers Australia to be a wealthy country and the government has also committed to propping them up with more cash to keep the multinationals afloat in developing and third world countries. At the end of this not only will the people be in enormous debt as they were under Howard, but the government will also be indebted in the next couple of years to the tune of approximately $200 billion to the Chinese. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 1st, 2009 at 11:14am ruddy has further lured 1st time buyers into an overhyped property market. No matter who ran it, I have always disagreed with a home buyers grant, any interference in a free market distorts it. Eventually it has to come back to reality . Quote:
http://business.theage.com.au/business/property-bubble-set-to-burst-20090430-aoyd.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 4th, 2009 at 5:15pm Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25426410-601,00.html Also in regards to rudd luring 1st home buyers in, I see house prices last year dropped the most in 23 years http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25426654-643,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by skippy on May 4th, 2009 at 5:25pm
Sprint I live at least 200km away from you yet I can smell your hypocrisy from here.
Who started the first home grants ,sprint? Are you suggesting Rudd should have canned it? ,yet no bitching from you when the rodent introduced it. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 4th, 2009 at 7:08pm Hi Skippy, how are you ? I don't answer rhetoric questions. ask or make a statement yourself. I disagree with the whole first home owners grant idea. You ? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 4th, 2009 at 10:35pm At last ............... Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25430179-601,00.html rudd was terrible for the qld govt. A real behind the scenes manipulator. he stifled the qld govt within a year, noone could say peep without it going through him. he has crippled the aussie govt. Everything is being "delayed". We are in seriour debt and sinking rapidly. he gave away our cash, tied us up to kyoto. The polls are well controlled by leftys, very specific polling, very lagging effect. Who in their right mind would be as pleased with rudd now as when they beamingly voted for him ?? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 4th, 2009 at 10:52pm
ruddfects ...........
Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25424047-2702,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on May 5th, 2009 at 9:00am
Rudd's in the bad books again. He has given verbal instructions to DIMIA to allow all visa overstayers a chance to remain here and redeem themselves. Instead of detaining them when caught and immediately being put on a flight to their homeland - they can stay until further applications are processed and will be given a verbal warning only. Of course most of them will disappear immediately they've had their little talk with migration officers.
Why is he doing this? Unemployment is escalating daily and these visa overstayers aren't contributing to the economy because they don't pay tax. It's just exacerbating our black market. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 5th, 2009 at 9:05am verbal instructions !!!!!!!!!!!!!! can't be traced back to him, ties up more govt machinations around him. Very unprofessional, controlling and worrying. |
Title: Rudd of spending $10 million each hour Post by sprintcyclist on May 20th, 2009 at 8:34pm Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25512082-601,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by DARWIN on May 21st, 2009 at 9:19pm
Good old Hockey, good at overeating but not much else.
Love their line "our deficit would be $25bn lower" presumably because they wouldn't have done the second lot of handouts or tax rebates. So simplistic it can only come from the Lieberal Party; not attempt to calculate the higher unemployment/lower company tax/higher dole payments by withholding the tax rebates. Rudd/Swan/Tanner are doing all the right things so far. FHOG means the price droo of house prices is slow and steady, not some confidence-sapping crash. Migrants are a great economic stimulus, and even the illegal overstayers pay tax: the ATO does not give a stuff if you are a criminal or visa overstayer, they just want their tax due. |
Title: Re: Rudd of spending $10 million each hour Post by DARWIN on May 21st, 2009 at 9:21pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 20th, 2009 at 8:34pm:
Hockey is just bright enough to tie his shoe laces. But not bright enough to distinguish spending from a drop in tax revenue. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 24th, 2009 at 10:59pm
the leftards have backflipped, again.
Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25523603-5017978,00.html is there anything they have got right so far ?????????? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Grendel on May 24th, 2009 at 11:20pm
lol working on a list for Mr "mean and tricky" Rudd... geez even in the last 2 months there are heaps. This'll be fun if I get enough time.
heres the work board for it... Quote:
feel free to add. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 25th, 2009 at 10:38am grendel - maybe there is also room for the "Forgotten populisms" list. eg, fuel watch, grocery watch, kyoto, apology, economic conservative ... All populisms that have been forgotten. Some will be damaging, some not. But all pointless and self serving Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25531333-33435,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 25th, 2009 at 1:08pm Wheres peter garrett when the environment needs him ?? Flying around the world, chasing ruddy I guess. Quote:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/22/2578579.htm |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on May 25th, 2009 at 2:19pm
Yes Sprintcyclist - that is very disappointing. Garrett is useless and should be sacked. Rudd is hopeless, gutless & a huge disappointment, but he's still not as obnoxious as the previous PM although at the rate he's going he'll soon catch up.
Nuclear proponents are playing down the vast environmental impacts and health risks of allowing a uranium mine in WA, the Australian Greens say. “The latest proposal by BHP Billiton for a mine at Yeelirie, 550 kilometres east of Geraldton, would employ at most 700 people for a period of two years, after which the proponents say it would employ less half that number, all of whom will be fly-in, fly-out,” Greens Nuclear Spokesman Senator Scott Ludlam said. “This is a relatively small number of new jobs, especially compared to renewable energies such as solar, which has created lasting employment for 250,000 people in Germany. “In its referral document to the Federal Department of Environment, BHP revealed that through an on-site leaching process, the proposed mine would produce 110 million tonnes of radioactive waste. “It proposes that this huge amount of rock and sludge would be stored at the mine site in an open pit or tailings dam, where it would remain dangerously radioactive for tens of thousands of years. “This means that once the mine opens, mine workers and anyone else in the area would be at risk on windy days of breathing in dust or radon gas blown off the tailings. These radioactive materials greatly increase the risk of cancer if ingested. “BHP says 10,000 hectares of mostly well vegetated land would be disturbed by the mine and this area is home to six threatened animal species, 11 migratory birds and a number of rare and priority-listed plant species. The site experiences intense rain at times, causing water to flow in sheets off the proposed mine site towards nearby lakes. “Bearing in mind that the Federal Government recently admitted that 100,000 litres of contaminated groundwater is seeping from tailings at Ranger uranium mine into Kakadu each day, the potential impact of large-scale dewatering of the mine site at Yeelirie combined with heavy downpours is alarming. “The mine’s yellowcake product is proposed to be taken inside sealed drums on existing roads from Yeelirie to a “secure” rail facility near Kalgoorlie and then by train to Adelaide and then Darwin before going overseas. “If we count this with the vast amount of embedded energy that goes into building a nuclear reactor, it is hard to see how anyone can possibly describe this industry as a low-carbon solution to greenhouse gas emissions,” Senator Ludlam said. “However, this large amount of overland travel within Australia raises another concern. According to the Federal Department of Infrastructure and Transport, there are more than 2,000 serious truck accidents on WA roads each year, while the Australian Transport Safety Bureau reports there are on average more than 35 serious train derailments and collisions annually in WA. “Yellowcake powder, or uranium oxide concentrate, is the consistency of talcum powder – so should a serious road or rail collision occur, people using the same transport routes or living nearby would be at risk of breathing in the dust. This could be disastrous for their health. “The direct risks to health from this proposed mine are serious enough to rule it out. “In the 10 years since multinational, Pangea, was in Australia lobbying hard for the establishment of an international nuclear waste here, the global nuclear industry has still not developed a solution to its waste problem. “If a uranium mine opens in WA, WA can once again expect international pressure to take global nuclear waste.” |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 25th, 2009 at 10:34pm
here is one with an interesting twist ........
Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25536189-12377,00.html do the leftards WANT a double dissoultion ??? rudd is totally awful, but he ain't a fool. he's a political animal |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 26th, 2009 at 8:11am he's getting hammered. Why did the media NOT question him before the election ???? Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25537559-5015019,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on May 26th, 2009 at 10:17am
In all fairness - Howard did have an easy ride with the economic boom. He and Keating had a lot in common and Keating did set a precedent which was easy for the Howard government to follow. Howard paid off a lot of government debt by offloading it onto the people.
The problem is - Rudd is only experienced as a diplomat and is making some terrible decisions - it's obvious he is very uncertain of what path to take, but he is pretending to be confidant. The only credence I can give Rudd is that he is more human than Howard ever was - so today we have two choices - humanity and uncertainty or a complete revival of the class system where the divide between rich and poor becomes even more obvious. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 29th, 2009 at 10:02am This is sad, rudd is spinning for himself. What unabashed shameless cheesey advertising. Maybe he should wear a tshirt saying "Kevvy is kool". Quote:
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/rudd-demeaning-pms-office-bishop-20090529-bpf3.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 29th, 2009 at 12:18pm Could this one be rudds big mistake ? It's funny how some small things become a symbol of a larger gather, momentum and then bring into focus earlier larger flaws. For a labor govt, they have really erred here. Quote:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/rudd-steers-ship-back-to-a-closed-welfare-state-20090528-boxc.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Happy on May 29th, 2009 at 1:45pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 29th, 2009 at 12:18pm:
If it was such a success, why they don’t open their own Company? I’ll have a guess, it was not cash positive, kind of money drain, wrong? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by soren on May 29th, 2009 at 7:47pm mantra wrote on May 26th, 2009 at 10:17am:
Based on what? That he does not hesitate to utter platitudes? As a matter of record, he has done nothing but utter platitudes and give your children's money to you to squander on petty acquisition. Howard thought and acted lke a suburban lawyer - that is, like you or your neighbour. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Happy on May 29th, 2009 at 8:03pm Soren wrote on May 29th, 2009 at 7:47pm:
I don't know if somebody broke to tears because of Howard's manners. Kevin gave few performances already. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 29th, 2009 at 8:40pm happy - yes, i'ld be quite sure the Gunida Gunyah Aboriginal Corporation was not financially viable on a business standard. But it gave much more to the community than that, and that's exactly what labor is all about. Or, are meant to be all about. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by soren on May 29th, 2009 at 8:50pm
Howard's very substance was his ordinariness and being comfortable with that. Australia gained enormously by also becoming confident (rather than feeling inferior) by it's own decent ordinariness. Looking around the world, that is now recognised as an enormous achievement and Australians recognise that and no longer feel even slightly ashamed of it, like Keating did (a great guy, by the way, of a dfferent calling, not a man for a crisis.)
Ruddocchio? Who the bugger is he? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Happy on May 30th, 2009 at 10:36am Sprintcyclist wrote on May 29th, 2009 at 8:40pm:
Yes, wouldn't be bad idea to apply it to all fella too. Using the same argument Pacific Brands should be saved too as it employed indiscriminately. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by athos on May 30th, 2009 at 10:59pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:54am:
So do you blame Rudd for all of that? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 30th, 2009 at 11:09pm Athos - do I blame rudd for all what ??? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by athos on May 30th, 2009 at 11:30pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 30th, 2009 at 11:09pm:
For all this statistic crap. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 30th, 2009 at 11:35pm Athos - yes I do |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on May 30th, 2009 at 11:48pm
how timely.
rudd the "controlling meeting man and promise breaker." Quote:
meetings are unproductive in themselves. the fewer the meetings the better. http://www.watoday.com.au/national/rudd-staff-run-ragged-in-80hour-weeks-20090530-bqqz.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:35am
Another bad headline.
Quote:
http://business.smh.com.au/business/rudd-fights-his-way-down-the-boulevard-of-broken-dreams-20090531-bro6.html rudds getting flogged from pillar to post. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 7:53pm it's always something when unions dislike labor. Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25573107-601,00.html the rest of the article dissolves into laughable leftard rhetoric and gobbledegook without a shred of financial honesty. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 7:51pm Quote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/web/2009/06/03/1243708489312.html really, this rudd govt is turning out to be mush worse than I had imagined. we're reallly phucked. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 10th, 2009 at 9:34am
The left is lost.
Now giving away millions to the best equipped private primary schools. All you common working lefty persons, you voted for this. Labor's largesse to private primary schools Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25613558-601,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by mantra on Jun 10th, 2009 at 10:34am
Yes - Rudd has stuffed up badly. Everyone is angry with him and we thought Howard favoured private over public. Rudd has just enhanced Howard's policies.
The Smith Family the other day was calling for donations for computers for public school kids which is outrageous. Private schools have got the broadband connections and the teachers so have received the first round. So far only about 30% of schools have received them and it is now believed it will take up to 20 years for the rest of them to be rolled out. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 10th, 2009 at 2:54pm
his ETS has no friends.
Quote:
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25615460-5003402,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Happy on Jun 10th, 2009 at 3:00pm Quote:
But at least Rudd is loyal to mate who helped him to get the top job. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 10th, 2009 at 3:27pm happy - as he should be, I entirely agree with that. It'ld be unnatural to NOT help those who have helped you. I disagree with the PM selecting his own ministry. Far too much power, too isolating, there is no safety net there.. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 11th, 2009 at 3:01pm Quote:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/labor-must-give-members-a-voice-20090610-c3l5.html The alp is comng apart at the seams, they are being assualted from all angles. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 12th, 2009 at 8:59am here is the alps' idea of equality. The right has the maturity to realises not everyone is equal. Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25623569-5013480,00.html imagine if the right had done that. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 16th, 2009 at 9:13am How quickly has rudd lost his partys lead and his own image is sorely tarnished. Undoubtly gillard is cackling and rubbing her bony hands in glee. There have been a few flattering media articled on gillard lately. Looks like they are clearing the way for the dumping of rudd. Quote:
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25643304-953,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 17th, 2009 at 3:28pm
ring ....... ring ........ ring ............. ring.
"hello" "hello" "I just gave you a lot of other peoples money" "Yes, thanks" "Could you send me an email saying what a terrific guy I am so everyone else knows ?" "love to" "Bye" "cheerio" Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25648327-601,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Happy on Jun 17th, 2009 at 3:37pm Pity that they spend so much time and energy to fluff their feathers and subsequently try to hide it. |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 19th, 2009 at 3:33pm Oops, even the pinup leftard lesbian is being asked questions. Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25656849-5013480,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Happy on Jun 19th, 2009 at 3:53pm Quote:
Possibly just TAX we have to have, that reluctantly has to be imposed, as government would otherwise not do it. Fact that it might not be later on used to address issues it was supposed to is highly probable as not all “petrol excise” and not all car registration revenue is used to build roads. To build roads we have private sector and their road tolls don’t we? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jul 27th, 2009 at 11:42am rudd's wasteful spending in the face of a recession HAS to be paid for one stage or another. Often by higher interest rates. Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25839597-5017771,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jul 28th, 2009 at 10:52am continually rudds unable to see the truth, just dolling out the tripe the leftards yearn to hear. Quote:
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/rudds-essay-shows-his-tribal-loyalty-20090727-dyn7.html?page=-1 |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Jul 28th, 2009 at 3:48pm
this is what he did to the QLD govt.
it seized to a halt around him. micromanaging means the manager checks EVERYTHING those below him do. their spelling, punctuation, meeting times etc etc etc. EVERYTHING. Noone can do a thing till the bos says they can. Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25843609-5015019,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by Happy on Jul 28th, 2009 at 7:14pm
Now for 6 months there will be "hospital-fest".
There was good question from opposition, what he learned today that he did not know 18 months ago? Why to play this game for another 6 months? |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Aug 2nd, 2009 at 3:35pm Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25865132-601,00.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 9:43am rudds broqadband has gone suspicoulsy quiet. ie, it has done it's purpose, won some votes from leftards. hopefully he lets it die without it costing us anymore money. Quote:
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/pmx2019s-national-broadband-plan-really-is-no-net-gain-20090802-e5re.html |
Title: Re: rudd under pressure ....... Post by sprintcyclist on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 2:53pm Quote:
http://blogs.watoday.com.au/business/helencoonan/2009/08/01/mrruddswishli.html |
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