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Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.

Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.


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We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them,...we'll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians,and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank,so that in 25 years' time,neither the United Nations nor the United States,nobody,will be able to tear it apart.

Ariel Sharon


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My heart sings. There were 200 Arab villages here, which no longer exist. It was necessary to demolish them, otherwise here, too, as in Galilee, there would be another million Arabs in our midst. After 2,000 years of exile, it's impossible to establish a state with kid gloves.

Yitzhak Pundak


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"Every discussion of the Palestinians as equal human beings born in the image of God is termed "treasonous," the language of "Arab lovers." Therefore, there is no language or democratic discourse that supports disengagement and rejects a referendum.

Lev Greenberg


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"Hamas was also established under Israel's aegis and with its encouragement."

Reuven Pedatzur


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Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.

sraeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online.

^ That one is particularly sick.


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Everybody has to move,run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them.

Ariel Sharon


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Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.

Benyamin Netanyahu

Hmmm so your point is that Sharon  (who most of your quotes are from) wasn't particularly fond of the Palestinians?

On Palestinian television recently, Dr. Ahmad Bahar (acting Speaker, Palestinian Legislative Council) said this;


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This is Islam, that was ahead of its time with regards to human rights in the treatment of prisoners, but our people was afflicted by the cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation. Be certain that America is on its way to disappear, America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated in Lebanon and Palestine. Make us victorious over the infidel people. Allah, take hold of the Jews and their allies, Allah, take hold of the Americans and their allies. Allah, count them and kill them to the last one and dont leave even one.

[PA TV, April 20, 2007]


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"Oh, Allah, destroy America for it is controlled by Zionist Jews... Allah will avenge, in the name of his Prophet, the colonialist settlers who are the descendants of monkeys and pigs...forgive us, oh Muhammad, for the acts of these monkeys and pigs who wished to profane your holiness".

from the weekly Friday prayer sermon by PA Mufti Ikrima Sabri broadcast on the official PA radio station the Voice of Palestine, July 11, 1997.

The "Protocols of Zion" were proven to be a hoax...  yet the IGNORANT/DISHONEST HAMAS leadership and supporters etc still quote it as a truth.  How dumb are they and how dumb are the believers?

HAMAS is so dumb it quotes it in its Charter.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/31/mideast/hamas.php


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Since Hamas routed Fatah and took over Gaza last June, sermons and media preaching violence and hatred have become more pervasive, extreme and sophisticated, on the model of Hezbollah in Lebanon and its Al Manar television. Designed to indoctrinate the young to its brand of radical Islam, the programs of Al Aksa television and radio, including key Friday sermons, are an indication of how far from reconciliation Israelis and many Palestinians are. Hamas's grip on Gaza matters, but what may matter more in the long run is its control over propaganda and education there. No matter what Israeli and Palestinian negotiators agree, there is concern here that the attitudes being instilled will make a sustainable peace extremely difficult.

http://www.hirhome.com/israel/pal_mov.htm

In 1929 there were Arab terrorist riots in British Mandate Palestine against the civilian Jewish population that lived there.


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“The [1929] riots were accompanied by militant Arab slogans such as... ‘Palestine is our land and the Jews our dogs...’ [and] brutal acts by Arabs...such as the killings in Hebron, where small children were tortured by their murderers before being murdered. ...the Jewish community in Palestine found itself caught up in a wave of violent disturbances that swept with a fury through Jewish settlements and neighborhoods throughout the length and breadth of the country. The danger now appeared to threaten the very survival of the entire Jewish community.”

This was not the first mass racist attack by Arabs against unarmed civilian Jews in British Mandate ‘Palestine,’ nor would it be the last attempted extermination.

Grendel,

Can you read? This thread is for *Zionist* quotes, last time I checked none of those guys were Zionists. If you feel you have a point, great, start another thread for it.

The original PLO Charter, elaborated in 1964, states in article 24 that:


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“This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area.”[16]

Notice: when it was formed in 1964, the PLO went out of its way to state that the West Bank and Gaza (1) were not ‘Palestinian’ lands, (2) rightfully belonged to Jordan and Egypt, respectively (this was false: Jordan and Egypt were illegal squatters), and (3) were of no interest to the PLO. Isn’t it curious that the ‘international community’ has forced down Israel’s throat a ‘Palestinian state’ precisely in those territories, the West Bank and Gaza, that the founding constitution of the Palestine Liberation Organization explicitly declared, in a special article, were not ‘Palestinian’?

Is there any logic to the PLO’s decisions? There is.

To discover this PLO logic the trick is to notice, glinting like a needle in the haystack of tangled and nested absurdity, the following consistency:


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1) In 1964, the PLO’s definition of ‘Palestine’ corresponded, exactly, to the borders of the state of Israel. 2) In 1968, the PLO’s definition of ‘Palestine’ corresponded, exactly, to the borders of the state of Israel.

The only difference is that in those two dates the borders of Israel were not the same: in 1964 Israel did not control the West Bank and Gaza, and in 1968 it did. What happened between 1964 and 1968? The Six Day War of 1967.

The PLO’s definition of ‘Palestine’ is essentially this: ‘wherever the Jews are in the Middle East.’

Just balancing the argument with other quotes...  you no likey?

Oh and a bit of relevant history.

Don't see the point in having 2 topics where no debate takes place...  kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?  Unless of course you just want blind acceptance of one point of view.

It's just in the wrong place that's all, and will probably just be deleted anyway, so why bother wasting your time and ours? Just make your own thread for them. You can get more exposure then.

Anyway back to the Zionist quotes:

n 1904, before Zionism matured into a powerful political force, Menachem Ussishkin stated that:

   "[Land is acquired] by force --- that is, by conquest in war, or in other words, by ROBBING land form its owner; . . . by expropriation via government authority; or by purchase. . . [The Zionist movement was limited to the third choice] until at some point we become rulers." (Righteous Victims, p. 38)

On May 19, 1936,Manachem Ussishkin declared:

   "What we can demand today is that all Transjordan be included in the Land of Israel. . . on condition that Transjordan would be either be made available for Jewish colonization or for the resettlement of those [Palestinian] Arabs, whose lands [in Palestine] we would purchase. Against this, the most conscientious person could not argue . . . For the [Palestinian] Arabs of the Galilee, Transjordan is a province . . . this will be for the resettlement of Palestine's Arabs. This the land problem. . . . Now the [Palestinian] Arabs DO NOT WANT want us because we want to be the rulers. I will fight for this. I will make sure that we will be the landlords of this land . . . . because this country belongs to us not to them . . . " (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 51)

In 1938 Menachem Ussishkin commented on the partition plan proposed by the British  Peel Commission in 1937:

   "We cannot begin the Jewish state with population of which the Arab living on their lands constitute almost half and the Jews exists on the land in very small numbers and they are all crowded in Tel Aviv and its vicinity .... and the WORST is not only the [Palestinian] Arabs here constitute 50 percent or 45 percent but 75 percent of the land is in the hands of the [Palestinian] Arabs. Such a state cannot survive even for half an hour ..... The question is not whether they will be majority or a minority in Parliament. You know that even a small minority could disrupt the whole order of parliamentary life..... therefore I would say to the [Peel] Commission and the government that we would not accept reduced Land of Israel without you giving us the land, on the one hand, and removing the largest number of [Palestinian] Arabs-particularly the peasants- on the other before we come forward to take the reins of government in our lands even provisionally." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 111-112; see also Righteous Victims, p. 143-144)

In October 1882, Validimir Dubnow, one of the earliest Zionist pioneers in Palestine, wrote to his brother articulating the ultimate goals of the Zionist movement:

   "The ultimate goal . . . is, in time, to take over the Land of Israel and to restore to the Jews the political independence they have been deprived of for these two thousand years. . . . The Jews will yet arise and, arms in hand (if need be), declare that they are the masters of their ancient homeland." (Righteous Victims, p. 49)

In October 1882 Ben-Yehuda and Yehiel Michal Pines, few of the earliest Zionist pioneers in Palestine, wrote describing the indigenous Palestinians:

   ". . . There are now only five hundred [thousand] Arabs, who are not very strong, and from whom we shall easily take away the country if only we do it through stratagems [and] without drawing upon us their hostility before we become a the strong and papules ones." (Righteous Victims, p. 49)

In October 1882 Ben-Yehuda and Yehiel Michal Pines, few of the earliest Zionist pioneers in Palestine, wrote describing the indigenous Palestinians:

   ". . . There are now only five hundred [thousand] Arabs, who are not very strong, and from whom we shall easily take away the country if only we do it through stratagems [and] without drawing upon us their hostility before we become a the strong and papules ones." (Righteous Victims, p. 49)

While the Zionist leadership was discussing the morality of "transferring" the Palestinian people in December 1918, Yitzhak Avigdor Wilkansky, an agronomist and advisor at the Palestine Office in JAFFA, felt that, for practical reasons, it was:

   "impossible to evict the fellahin [Palestinian Arab peasants], even if we wanted to. Nevertheless, if it were possible, I would commit an injustice towards the [Palestinian] Arabs. There are those among us who are opposed to this form the point of view of supreme righteousness and morality. . . .[But] when you enter into the midst of the Arab nation and do not allow it to unit, here too you are taking its life. . . . Why don't our moralists dwell on this point? We must be either complete vegetarians or meat eaters: not one-half, one-third, or one-quarter vegetarian." (Righteous Victims, p. 140-141 & America And The Founding Of Israel, p. 71)

In a pamphlet under the heading "Truth from Palestine" published in 1891,  Ahad Ha'Am wrote of how Jewish settlers at the time treated the indigenous Palestinians:

   "[The Jewish settlers] treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly, beat them shamelessly for no sufficient reason, and even take pride in doing so. The Jews were slaves in the land of their Exile, and suddenly they found themselves with unlimited freedom, wild freedom that only exists in a land like Turkey. This sudden change has produced in their hearts an inclination towards repressive tyranny, as always happens when slave rules." 'Ahad Ha'Am warned: "We are used to thinking of the Arabs as primitive men of the desert, as a donkey-like nation that neither sees nor understands what is going around it. But this is a great error. The Arab, like all sons of Sham, has sharp and crafty mind . . . Should time come when life of our people in Palestine imposes to a smaller or greater extent on the natives, they will not easily step aside." (One Palestine Complete, p. 104)

Ben-Gurion had strange ideas to justify why Jews have the right to settle in Palestine. He explained that the right of the Jews to Palestine rested on their capacity for developing its resources. He declared in 1930:

   "We do not recognize any form of absolute ownership over any country. Any group of diligent persons, every industrious people, is entitled to enjoy the fruits of labor, and do with its talents as it pleases. it has no right to prevent others from doing the same, or to close the doors leading to nature's gifts in the faces of others. The five million inhabitants of Australia have no right to close the gates of their continent--which they alone cannot fully exploit-- and so exclude the masses of desperate people seeking a new place to work. This is the principle behind the right of free migration, championed by international socialism." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 37)

Regarding anti-semites,  Theodor Herzl explained how they could benefit the Zionist enterprise, he wrote in his diary:

   "The antisemites will become our most loyal friends, the antisemite nations will become our allies." (One Palestine Complete, p. 47)

How true that one is!!

A month after the Nazi pogrom against Germany's Jews, famously known as Kristallnacht, Ben-Gurion provided an interesting mathematical formula for saving German Jewish kids. He stated in December 1938:

   "If I knew it was possible to save all [Jewish] children of Germany by their transfer to England and only half of them by transferring them to Eretz-Yisrael, I would choose the latter----because we are faced not only with the accounting of these [Jewish] children but also with the historical accounting of the Jewish People." (Righteous Victims, p. 162)

I suggest your read this...

http://www.hirhome.com/israel/pal_mov.htm

all of it...  then if you haven't choked on your own vomit, get back to us.

Hajj Amin al Husseini, leader
of Adolf Hitler's Final Solution,
and father of the
'Palestinian movement'

“Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.
”
--Hajj Amin al Husseini on the German Nazi radio. [0]

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all of it...  then if you haven't choked on your own vomit, get back to us.

Read some of the first page. Is there a point to it? Other than to reiterate Zionist nonsense, ALL of which has been completely refuted.

Just to start you off, the Arab riots occured in 1929, look through my Zionist quotes prior to 1929, and you might get some idea of what caused the riots. Also, Jews were mass illegally immigrating at such a rate, they'd already become 25% of the population within 30 years of Zionist activities. I shudder to think how Australians will deal with Muslims if we went from 2% to 25% in 30 years, due tto mass illegal immigration... We've already seen that Muslims have caused Australians to riot when we're still only 2%, haven't formed any Muslim-only settlements, nor formed any committees for the specific cause of "transferring" Australians out of Australia. Jews had done all these things by 1929... really can you blame the Arabs? Just put yourself in their situation for a moment...

Also I couldn't find any  references for the claims Muslims deliberately slaughtered children in Hebron. Sounds like propaganda to me. 3 children unfortunately were killed in the rioting, but since it was such a low number it sounds like it was just by accident, being caught up in the riot. If it were deliberate, surely more would've perished. Anyway, those responsible for it were brought to justice:


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Altogether 195 Arabs and 34 Jews were sentenced by the courts for crimes related to the 1929 riots. Death sentences were handed down to 17 Arabs and 2 Jews, but these were later commuted to long prison terms except in the case of 3 Arabs who were hanged. Large fines were imposed on about 25 Arab villages or urban neighborhoods. Some financial compensation was paid to persons who lost family members or property.

Compare that to the Zionist Baruch Goldstein, who committed his own one man Hebron Massacre in 1994, when he walked into a mosque and sprayed the praying Muslims with a machine gun, before he was overpowered by the couragous Muslims and killed. More than twice as many children were murdered by this one man alone in that Hebron massacre...

Baruch Goldstein is to this day idolised, and there is a monument in his honour declaring him a blessed man who served the state of Israel and the Jewish people. Each years Jews gather to re-enact his massacre and to praise him and mourn his loss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKbOQNZiMG0

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Just to start you off, the Arab riots occured in 1929, look through my Zionist quotes prior to 1929, and you might get some idea of what caused the riots. Also, Jews were mass illegally immigrating at such a rate, they'd already become 25% of the population within 30 years of Zionist activities. I shudder to think how Australians will deal with Muslims if we went from 2% to 25% in 30 years, due tto mass illegal immigration...

Probably in the wrong thread - but Gaybriel can move it if she wants.

The more you learn about this conflict, the more you can see that Israel has broken every law, convention, treaty and agreement they signed up to - especially early immigration.  Former Israeli PM's have collaborated and worked with renowned zionist terrorist organisations and continuously committed crimes against humanity and the world has turned a blind eye.

It's amazing the number of Jewish supporters the Palestinians have.  Many of them are ashamed of the zionists and the stealth and theft of not only land, but the massacres and illegal invasions to achieve their ideology.

It is heartbreaking to read about the suffering of the Palestinians and those who hate Muslims obviously just take what they want from biased media reports.  Forget about the philosophies of the religion - look at the humanitarian side.

The US army is weakened now and there is world wide comdemnation of Israel.  Unfortunately they still hold enough weapons to blow up all of the ME.  I have come across many articles questioning why the Jews have been hated so much throughout history - and many of them are genuinely perplexed.  Perhaps if they read something else apart from Israeli propaganda they might understand why.  

The massacre of the Palestinian people will be another reason to add to the list.  The moderate Jews themselves are condemning Israel.  

This is an excellent article written by a Jewish author - if anybody could be bothered reading it.  The writer points out that Hamas was the first to extend the hand of peace, but was rejected and they were immediately tagged terrorists.  They weren't given a chance by the western governments to prove their worth - the same goes for Iran who also extended a hand to Bush for peace - but it was rejected.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/shocking-cynicism-of-a-poisoned-homeland/2009/01/07/1231004100045.html

Nice article. I too have spoken with Australian Jews who reject the propaganda that Hamas is a terrorist organisation. There are quite a few out there, just that the propagandists have louder voices, and more people are duped into following them.

Good on her for having a conscience and speaking out for the oppressed.

Actually thats a lie mantra...  The jews?  israelis haven't broken every agreement they've entered into.  In fact Arafat put the kybosh on the best chance the Palestinians ever had.  now we just have the brainless fools of Hamas in charge.

Yes Arafat could've gotten back more territory than at the time of the '67 war. Now he's dead, rotting in the ground and not living in paradise, and his people still suffer.
The dumbass Palestinians keep fighting and keep losing more ground. They'll never accept Israel's right to exist, as Israel accepts Palestine's right to exist. So Israel may as well drive them into the desert. They get what they deserve.

hey easel...  this confirms the stupidity and WRONGNESS of one of your treasured quotes..


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US President George W. Bush last year rejected a secret Israeli request for an air strike against the main Iranian nuclear complex using US bunker-busting bombs, The New York Times reported on its website late Saturday local time.

Hey Grendel, doesn't mean Zionists did not say it.

Didn't say he didn't doesn't mean he was right though did it...  the inference was that he was.

My point was that he wasn't so his words were meaningless.

I was just quoting the guy, some pretty evil things have come out of his mouth.

you want read evil check out what Muslims teach their children...  now that's real evil...  the corruption of innocence always is.

What Sharon and others said was just bravado or nonsense...  you can't judge a country by an individual.

Problem with Muslims is so many are silent in the face of evil and so many support it.

Yes some of the things you hear about Muslims are evil.

Doesn't mean that what these Zionists are up to is not evil.

Zionism isn't necessarily the same thing as Judaism.

Zionists don't rule Israel.

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Zionists don't rule Israel.

Then who does Grendel - the moderates?   ;D

Mantra, even though Grendel is a fervant supporter of Zionism [albeit an extremely blind and gullible one] I doubt he really even understands what the term means. He is simply siding with someone who happens to have a beef with Muslims, no matter who's right or wrong.

FYI Grendel, all of the major Israeli political parties are firmly committed to Zionism, and all Israeli PM's since 1948 have been dedicated Zionists.

And even the so called 'moderates' such as Ben-Gurion were supporters of the policy of 'transfer', ie. of ethnically cleansing the Palestinian population from the land, in order to Judaise it.

yawn...  don't support it at all actually
Nor Islamic facism unlike yourself.

You're right, deep down you probably don't support it. After all, how can you? You despise the idea of ethnic minorities mass immigrating, swamping the population, then booting the people out of their homes...

That's what highlights the hypocrisy of the pro-Zionists, because they're 99.99% of the time the same ones who are so vocal about immigration to Australia, because the "other ethnicities are gonna swamp us, and we'll become a minority in our own land".

In fact I'm fairly convinced about the only people who are still supporting the Zionists these days, are the anti-Islamists. Most other normal decent people have been exposed to the reality of the situation, and realise what's going on, and who's clearly in the wrong.

So do you like the "idea of ethnic minorities mass immigrating, swamping the population, then booting the people out of their homes..."

You probably do as long as they are Muslim...  right.

I'm actually against the policy of multiculturalism...  a topic I can't be bothered explaining to you and doubt you'd have a real grasp of anyway judging from yhe crap you already believe.

Anyway you don't show much TOLERANCE so I'd have to figure you are against it for reasons different to mine.

Actually the jews... Zionists as you like calling then were against ON and its stance on multiculti...  you see the Arabs have made them paranoid about just about everything and everyone.

A zionist said: "child killing hamas are vermin and wankers who support hamas are idiots".

A leader who doesn't hesitate before he sends his nation into battle is not fit to be a leader.
Golda Meir

Above all, this country is our own. Nobody has to get up in the morning and worry what his neighbors think of him. Being a Jew is no problem here.
Golda Meir

I don't know why you use a fancy French word like detente when there's a good English phrase for it - cold war.
Golda Meir

It is true we have won all our wars, but we have paid for them. We don't want victories anymore.
Golda Meir

Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses. He took us 40 years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil!
Golda Meir

The Egyptians could run to Egypt, the Syrians into Syria. The only place we could run was into the sea, and before we did that we might as well fight.
Golda Meir

There's no difference between one's killing and making decisions that will send others to kill. It's exactly the same thing, or even worse.
Golda Meir

We do not rejoice in victories. We rejoice when a new kind of cotton is grown and when strawberries bloom in Israel.
Golda Meir

We don't thrive on military acts. We do them because we have to, and thank God we are efficient.
Golda Meir

We have always said that in our war with the Arabs we had a secret weapon - no alternative.
Golda Meir

We Jews have a secret weapon in our struggle with the Arabs; we have no place to go.
Golda Meir

Golda Meir

"The Muslims can fight and lose, then come back and fight again. But Israel can only lose once."

"There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist."[27]

"[The Arabs] will stop fighting us when they love their children more than they hate [Jews]."

"When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons." (Press conference after the Six-Day War, 1967)[28]

"We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours."

"Thank god we have the Arabs for enemies." (anon.)