Typical ranting dangerous educated muslim.
can we get one of the muslikms here ot contact him and correct him ??

What would happen if a christian preacher stood up and said how any muslim festival is only a praise time for a paedophile ??




"The lawyer, who recently praised the Mumbai terror attacks, urged all Muslims to reject traditional Christmas celebrations, claiming that they are forbidden by Allah.

The 41-year-old shocked Christians and even those of his own faith by branding yuletide festivities as "the pathway to hellfire".

Choudary, who is chairman of the Society of Muslim Lawyers, ruled out all celebrations, including having a Christmas tree, decorating the house or eating turkey.

In the sermon posted on an Islamic website, he said: "In the world today many Muslims, especially those residing in western countries, are exposed to the evil celebration Christmas.

"Many take part in the festival celebrations by having Christmas turkey dinners.

"Decorating the house, purchasing Christmas trees or having Christmas turkey meals are completely prohibited by Allah.

"Many still practise this corrupt celebration as a remembrance of the birth of Jesus.

"How can a Muslim possibly approve or participate in such a practice that bases itself on the notion Allah has an offspring?

"The very concept of Christmas contradicts and conflicts with the foundation of Islam.

"Every Muslim has a responsibility to protect his family from the misguidance of Christmas, because its observance will lead to hellfire. Protect your Paradise from being taken away – protect yourself and your family from Christmas."

Choudary is Principal Lecturer at the London School of Shari'ah and a follower of the Islamist militant leader Omar Bakri Mohammed.

Earlier this year, he led a meeting at the heart of the area where the liquid bombers lived, which warned of a British September 11."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3699565/Muslim-lawyer-Anjem-Choudary-brands-Christmas-evil.html

so what?

he's saying according to islam celebrating christmas is wrong- and he's right in saying that

it's his personal religious belief- he doesnt say anything against jesus, just that the celebrations themselves aren't islamically ok

it's the same (in some people's opinions) as birthdays in islam

Anjem-Choudary said,

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"How can a Muslim possibly approve or participate in such a practice that bases itself on the notion Allah has an offspring? ......Choudary is Principal Lecturer at the London School of Shari'ah and a follower of the Islamist militant leader Omar Bakri Mohammed. Earlier this year, he led a meeting at the heart of the area where the liquid bombers lived, which warned of a British September 11."

When it suits their purpose [of 'approachment' to Christians] muslims will [deceitfully] proclaim, their friendship with, and claim a spiritual 'brotherhood' with, Christians,

'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'.  [what shite!]

ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript  - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity. When they're caught out, individuals don't miss a bit, they just say they've been taken out of context....
David Henshaw: ......Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue.....
A GROUP OF CHRISTIANS VISITING THE MOSQUE and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat them kindly and talk about 'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'.
JUST AS SOON AS THAT GROUP OF VISITORS LEAVES, THE LANGUAGE CHANGES COMPLETELY. 'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says.....
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2360820.htm#transcript




But, muslims rarely disclose the truth to Christians,
....that [according to ISLAMIC doctrine, and the Koran] muslims regard all Christians, as those who are accursed of Allah [for their worship of Jesus, as their redeemer, and as the son of God].
....and therefore Christians [in TRUTH] are not to be accepted as the 'friends' of muslims.

Muslim 'friendship' of Christians is a part of JIHAD,
....it is cynical, calculated, and false.

If you doubt this, look at how Christians are treated today, within all areas [jurisdictions] where Sharia has influence.

recent examples....

December 15, 2008
Jihadists persecuting Palestinian Christians in Gaza
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023936.php

December 12, 2008
Nigeria: Six Christian pastors killed, 40 churches razed in post-election attacks by Muslims
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023891.php





MUSLIMS ARE NOT, 'PEOPLE OF THE BOOK'.

These are facts,
Muslims reject the Jewish Bible as corrupt.
Muslims reject the New Testament Bible as corrupt.

For muslims, only the words of the 'inerrant' Koran are to be followed.

Muslims have embraced a new, 'strange' story, contained within their own 'religious' texts [Koran & Hadith],
.....which has absolutely no connection, to those who are Gods ppl [Jews and Christians].


The muslim Jesus, and the New Testament Jesus bear no similarity.

ISLAM teaches that,
...all of God's children are accursed,
...Jesus is NOT the current Jewish messiah [even though ??? the Koran itself refers to the muslim Jesus as 'Christ Jesus'],
...there is NO atonement [spirit redemption] through Jesus blood,
...Jesus is NOT the son of God,
...Jesus did NOT die on a cross,
...Jesus was NOT crucified,
...Jesus was NOT resurrected by Allah / God,
...Jesus was whisked away to heaven by Allah [without ever dying].



Read some of these sources, explaining what ISLAM really teaches [to muslims] about Jesus....

"Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah
What Islam Really Teaches About Allah and Jesus"
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deceptive_god.htm

Google,
jesus Qur'an is the Messiah
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=jesus+Qur%27an+is+the+Messiah&btnG=Search&meta=




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Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:


Deuteronomy 32:18
18  Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
19  And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
20  And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
21  They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.


If we are [a part of] Israel, we are accepted as the children of God.

Those who accept the blood of Jesus Christ, are [spiritual] Israel.

And Jews, and [physical] Israel, are redeemed, as God's witnesses to mankind.

The Bible states that ALL Jews are / will be redeemed, because of their special relationship to God [as witnesses to mankind].

Many ppl can not accept that.
....ESPECIALLY muslims.




Psalms 135:4
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.


Isaiah 43:1
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.


Romans 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18^th, 2008 at 12:41pm:

so what? he's saying according to islam celebrating christmas is wrong- and he's right in saying that it's his personal religious belief- he doesnt say anything against jesus, just that the celebrations themselves aren't islamically ok it's the same (in some people's opinions) as birthdays in islam

Yeah, good one. So what?

"Islam is a tribal Abar superstition founded by a resentful illiterate arab with satyriasis. So what?"

I can see the t-shirt sales going through the roof.

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2008 at 7:45pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 12:41pm: so what? he's saying according to islam celebrating christmas is wrong- and he's right in saying that it's his personal religious belief- he doesnt say anything against jesus, just that the celebrations themselves aren't islamically ok it's the same (in some people's opinions) as birthdays in islam Yeah, good one. So what? "Islam is a tribal Abar superstition founded by a resentful illiterate arab with satyriasis. So what?" I can see the t-shirt sales going through the roof.

conveniently ignoring the rest of my post there soren

gaybriel - conviently ignoring reality there

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 20^th, 2008 at 12:59am:

conveniently ignoring the rest of my post there soren

So what?

http://www.thelocal.se/16560/20081224/

For the second night running unrest broke out in the Stockholm suburb of Tensta. A massive police presence managed to gain control of the situation in the early hours of Christmas Eve.

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The Local reported on Tuesday that the fire service had come under attack from stone-throwing youths in the predominantly immigrant-occupied area of Tensta in north west Stockholm on Monday evening.

When police units arrived at the scene youngsters were found to have set fire to car tyres, rubbish bins and a skip.

Jannes Hedlund at Stockholm county police described Tuesday's rioting as in principle a repeat of the events of the night before.

"Among other things they had set fire to a skip and thrown a Molotov cocktail at a police vehicle," Hedlund said.

The police were prepared for the possibility of renewed unrest and had deployed eight specially trained units to the area. Hedlund said that he believed that similar preparations were in force for any potential trouble on Christmas Eve.

Several cars were also set alight in Vårberg in southern Stockholm, although local police were not connecting the incidents to the unrest in Tensta.

INDONESIA: VILLAGE TO BE REBUILT FOLLOWING ISLAMIC RAMPAGE

http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=news&lang=en&length=long&idelement=5737&backpage=&critere=&countryname=&rowcur=

Officials question Christian teacher whose alleged comment was said to trigger violence.

AMBON, Indonesia, December 17 (Compass Direct News) – Government officials in Central Maluku, Indonesia, yesterday promised to reconstruct before Christmas two church buildings and a number of houses set ablaze last week during sectarian rioting in Letwaru village, Masohi district.

The promises came after hundreds of activists from a local youth organization protested in the streets of nearby Ambon on Monday (Dec. 15), holding these officials responsible for failing to maintain law and order, local media reported.

Also on Monday, police formally questioned a Christian elementary schoolteacher accused of making an anti-Islamic comment. Welhelmina Holle has been accused of insulting Islam while tutoring one of her students; following the Nov. 23 distribution of a flyer expressing the allegation against the schoolteacher, around 500 protestors gathered outside the education agency office and police headquarters on Dec. 9, and the protest quickly escalated into a full-scale riot.

Enraged Muslims destroyed 69 buildings, including two church buildings of a single congregation, 42 homes owned by Christians, four shops and a village hall. They also inadvertently struck 16 homes owned by Muslims.

Several people, including a police officer who attempted to stop the mob, were wounded during the rampage, according to Christian support organization Open Doors.

The time that lapsed between the Nov. 23 flyer and the Dec. 9 rioting shows that police were lax, said pastor Maureen Latuihamallo Ferdinandus, head of the Maluku Protestant Church (GPM) in Letwaru.

“The blasphemy issues had been spread since Nov. 23 – the time span until the day of the riot, Dec. 9, was long enough,” she said. “Yet police failed to anticipate the big protests and village rampage.”

Reconstruction, Relief Efforts

“We are committed to finishing the reconstruction of homes and churches before Christmas, so Christians won’t have to celebrate it in temporary shelters,” regency head Abdullah Tuasikal told The Jakarta Post yesterday.

Tuasikal had asked all construction workers in the area to participate in reconstruction efforts, while provincial and regency administrations allocated 2 billion rupiah (US$181,000) to the project.

The rebuilding of Syiloam Church began on Saturday (Dec. 13). Officials also promised to replace 200 chairs burned in the attack.

At press time, relief was trickling through to 1,764 people displaced by the riots, 1,523 Christians and 241 Muslims. The whereabouts of another 200 people are unknown.

Letwaru village, with a predominantly Christian population, borders a Muslim village with a narrow street separating both communities. When rioting broke out, the mob unknowingly attacked 16 homes occupied by Muslims on the Letwaru side of the street.

Critics say that government relief is far from adequate. Pastor Ferdinandus said displaced villagers desperately needed food and water, clothes, stoves and cooking utensils. Water was the first priority, as supplies were limited in the police station and prison that had provided temporary housing to some of the villagers.

Most of the displaced Christians took refuge in their relatives’ homes in neighboring villages, while Muslim victims opted to stay with relatives in the nearby town of Masohi.

“We’ve faced difficulties in identifying the needs of the displaced people since they are scattered,” Ferdinandus told Compass.

Last Friday (Dec. 12), three days after the riots, the streets of Letwaru were deserted. Few Christians dared venture out to the office or market; one resident told Compass that she had not yet returned to her office because “it’s not safe yet.” Life continued as normal, however, in downtown Masohi, an area where most residents are Muslims.

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INDONESIA: VILLAGE TO BE REBUILT FOLLOWING ISLAMIC RAMPAGE

Violence in a vacuum...

These wouldn't be the same Christians who back in 1999 massacred over 500 Muslims and caused another 10,000 to flee into displacement would it? Those poor little peace loving Christians always the victims of the big bad blood thirsty Muslims.

Or how about the ones who planted a bomb in a mainly Muslim shopping centre on the eve of Eid al-Fitr this year?? But I'm sure you heard about that right? Just forgot to mention it in your 'objective' view of the relationship between Muslims and Christians.

abu - there is no indication as to who planted that bomb.
Given as bombing is a muslim trait, i'ld guess it was muslims wanting to kill other muslims.
Nothing new in that.

please post references for any other claptrap you post



these are also typical responses from intolerant muslim nutters from the prior article.
please explain it away abu


"......Also on Monday, police formally questioned a Christian elementary schoolteacher accused of making an anti-Islamic comment. Welhelmina Holle has been accused of insulting Islam while tutoring one of her students; following the Nov. 23 distribution of a flyer expressing the allegation against the schoolteacher, around 500 protestors gathered outside the education agency office and police headquarters on Dec. 9, and the protest quickly escalated into a full-scale riot.
Enraged Muslims destroyed 69 buildings, including two church buildings of a single congregation, 42 homes owned by Christians, four shops and a village hall. They also inadvertently struck 16 homes owned by Muslims......."

These people really have to realise that religion is being used against them, and fight the bastards who do this to them, not each other. The people who manipulate and lie about religion, are the real enemy. If someone is on the wrong path to God or Heaven, let God sort them out when they meet up. In the mean time, why not go for the freaks who want you to be killing each other? Once those religion extremist manipulators are gone, I reckon all religions will be able to tolerate each other just fine.

A problem can arise when religion says to destroy other religions though.

Quote:

Ephesians 6:12 (New International Version) 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

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abu - there is no indication as to who planted that bomb. Given as bombing is a muslim trait, i'ld guess it was muslims wanting to kill other muslims. Nothing new in that.

Bombs have been used by every single group, army, government, intelligence agency involved in military conflict over the past 100 years.

The idea it's a Muslim trait is just garbage. Most of the bombing, and indeed most of the horrendous bombing throughout history has been carried out by Christians, not by Muslims. As far as I'm aware there's no history of inter-Muslim conflict in Indonesia at all. So about the only other suspect would be Christians.


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please post references for any other claptrap you post

I don't post 'claptrap' sorry. If you're referring to the 500 Muslims slaughtered by Christian rampagers in Indonesia, it's not surprising you never heard of it, since you only scan news for anti-Islamic stories, anything else is irrelevant to you, and therefore you would've missed it. It took place in Tobelo in 1999 and was well reported at the time.