OR,

ISLAM's astounding ability, to stretch the credulity of muslims.




Example #1,

[IN]CREDIBLE SOURCES CONFIRM ISLAM IS CORRECT, INERRANT


Rintrah said,

Quote:

"....[a muslim suggesting Muhammad] did not exist...[a muslim] who claims his religion is a lie and yet still calls himself Muslim? Completely illogical and fallacious..... How would there be Byzantine sources from the time describing emissaries sent to [Muhammad]."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226898410/1#1



Rintrah,

Should we accept the credibility of Byzantine sources [of information]??

Below is an example where ISLAMIC scholars have claimed that Byzantine and Roman sources, are unreliable.
.....when those accounts contradict ISLAM 'knowledge' of a matter.

News items,

Chief Muslim claims Jewish Temples never existed
March 15, 2007
"....The Jewish Temples never existed.......descriptions of the Jewish Temples in the Hebrew Tanach, in the Talmud and in Byzantine and Roman writings from the Temple periods were forged, and that the Torah was falsified to claim Biblical patriarchs and matriarchs were Jewish when indeed they were prophets for Islam."
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=40628

Temple Mount '100% Islamic'
June 01, 2008
"....Taysir Tamimi, chief Palestinian Justice and one of the most influential Muslim leaders in Israel, argued the Jewish Temples never existed,...."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65919



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Example #2,

MUSLIMS HOLD UP MUHAMMAD AS A PARAGON OF VIRTUE

Despite the fact of a massive 'disconnect' between the social morality, and the conduct which ISLAM / Sharia allows [halal], and what almost all other civilised society in the world will allow,
....muslims insist that ISLAMIC morality is inerrant, paramount, and above reproach.

This is argued to the point of threatening to kill non-muslims who decide to 'reproach' [scrutinise] ISLAM.
....[e.g. muslims were 'upset' when Pope gave a history lesson in 2006, and, ppl were 'lawfully' murdered!]


Recorded behaviour of Muhammad, and endorsed as an example for muslims to follow.....

Have sex with a 9-year-old girl?
Advocate beheading?
Require women to cover their faces?
Own slaves?
Marry his daughter-in-law?
Approve of prostitution?
Gluttonize?
Recommend wife-beating?
Hit his own wife?
Kill prisoners of war?
Advocate suicide attacks?
Kill apostates?
Beat children who don't pray?
Have boys as young as 13-years-old beheaded?
Approve of Sex with Minors?
Lie?
Enslave women and children?
Torture a man out of greed?
Steal?
Kill someone for insulting him?
Extort money from other religions?
Keep women as sex slaves?
Force conversions to Islam?
Commit acts of terror?
Kill a woman?
Capture a woman and rape her?
Encourage the rape of women in front of their husbands?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/WWMD.htm

[Koran & Hadith sources which confirm these actions / ISLAMIC doctrines, are given at the link above.]



And of course, there is an inerrant 'ISLAMIC source', which confirms ISLAMIC morality as inerrant....
/sarc off


"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah [Muhammad] a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.021


"Ye [muslims] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110




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Example #3,


THE WORDS OF THE KORAN, ARE THE INERRANT WORDS OF ALLAH
.....BECAUSE ONE MAN DECLARED IT SO.

The founders of ISLAM have cynically 'used' and 'exploited' the [cultural credibility] of the pre-existing Christian and Judaic theologies, to de facto validate ISLAM.
....and ISLAM continues to do this today.

[e.g. ISLAM claims, Abraham, Hagar, Ishmael, Moses, King David, Jesus,
...were all muslims.]

'Pure' ISLAM then goes on, to claim to be,
....not a 'continuation', of these pre-existing theologies,
....but a total repudiation, and replacement, of them.

Indeed, devout muslims class all Christians and Jews as 'unbelievers' worthy of death, because of their rejection of ISLAM.

ISLAM is a false 'religion'.
.....[in my opinion].

ISLAM is built entirely an edifice of falsehood and lies.
.....[in my opinion].


To believe in ISLAM, you are compelled stretch your credulity to breaking point.

Because ISLAM, in its entirety, is based upon the utterances of one man, Muhammad.

You are asked to accept as true, the utterances of ONE single man, who was a self professed warlord, a murderer, a pirate, a brigand, a deceiver, a thief.

'Mindsnap'!!!



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Great quote, from tallowood...

"If [a] message is valid it does not need validation by attaching it to a prophet or anything else. The Truth shines in its own light...."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226898410/10#10

Excellent logic tallowood.


"And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good - need we ask anyone to tell us these things?"
Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Robert M Pirsig

mate- what does this have to do with extremism?

take it to another forum

Quote:

Have sex with a 9-year-old girl? Advocate beheading? Require women to cover their faces? Own slaves? Marry his daughter-in-law? Approve of prostitution? Gluttonize? Recommend wife-beating? Hit his own wife? Kill prisoners of war? Advocate suicide attacks? Kill apostates? Beat children who don't pray? Have boys as young as 13-years-old beheaded? Approve of Sex with Minors? Lie? Enslave women and children? Torture a man out of greed? Steal? Kill someone for insulting him? Extort money from other religions? Keep women as sex slaves? Force conversions to Islam? Commit acts of terror? Kill a woman? Capture a woman and rape her? Encourage the rape of women in front of their husbands?

I'd say this sort of behaviour would be viewed by most Australians (and westerners in general) as extreme. Do you?

I'ld think the muslim mindset is extreme

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:25am:

mate- what does this have to do with extremism? take it to another forum

Gaybriel,

I guess i could discuss this on the ISLAM board.

Seeing as it is about muslims, and their world view.

But i am even less welcome there [the ISLAM board], than i am here.

:'(  :'(  :'(

If you want to talk about Islam here etc- that is fine. You just have so many threads which are essentially about the same thing. Perhaps you could at least consolidate these topics into one thread about Islam, or into a few major threads.

It would be more appropriate to have this in the Islam thread, yes.

Open dialogue and debate cannot be maintained on the Islam forum, that is why you see Islamic topics pop up on other forums and on the main board.

that's fine- but yadda's threads seem to go along the same vein. essentially he is repeating himself, so limiting it to a few threads would be great

yes, we have often complained about the repressive modding on the oslam board.

it is pointless posting there - the propaganda is worse than George orwells 1984

problem is that one of the Isalm mods is not restricted to that board.

Yes, that is an issue also

far out kids- take it to another thread

yes gaybriel lastworder

jordan484 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 11:42am:

Open dialogue and debate cannot be maintained on the Islam forum, that is why you see Islamic topics pop up on other forums and on the main board.

jordan484,

Thank you for your support.

And, you said it well.




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I direct you to....

"Freedom of speech in a forum such as this..."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1227071211/0#0