Well the film that muslims in holland rioted, threatened murder and terrorist attacks, to have stopped from being screened(successfully) can be seen online at this link;
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020472.php

I am about to tuck in to see what the fuss was about.

Yuck, that was heavy.

I am pretty sure he does not like muslims, and graphic footage of jihadist handiworks is very disturbing.

I can definitely see his point of view, but it is very extreme, in that it accepts that a conflict with Islam is inevitable, and that the wackos will always be in charge, and that the koran is 15%immoral teachings, and while they maintain it is incontravertible truth straight from god, then we can never have peace with them.

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and graphic footage of jihadist handiworks is very disturbing.

I'm assuming it's footage of victims of attacks by Muslims?

You must know that similar such films showing victims of Russian attacks in Chechnya/Dagestan, Christian attacks in Indonesia, Serbian attacks in Bosnia etc. were once widely sold at Islamic media outlets, of course they're illegal now (ah gotta love freedom of speech), as it's only legal to show victims of Muslim attacks, not when Muslims are the victims of attacks by others.

So anything that disturbed you in it, you should know a generation or two of Muslims grew up on the exact same disturbing images and therefore you understand why they feel so opposed to Western domination....

Or can't you recognise it when it's the other way 'round?

You have been taking smart beads again I see Abu, I certainly could not have worked that out, without your input.
Well I was actually going to include something similiar in my post, but I dismissed it as being too obvious to need repeating, yes non-muslims do bad things too.

The thing is, those other evildoers do not have a book straight from god to you, to legitimise their murder and pillage with, that is a muslim exclusive, alex at the bar, or something like that.

Nice to see  you think you have your justification for non-Muslims doing it. "We didn't do it because of a holy book, so it's not as bad".

mozzaok wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:18pm:

Well the film that muslims in holland rioted, threatened murder and terrorist attacks, to have stopped from being screened(successfully) can be seen online at this link; http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020472.php I am about to tuck in to see what the fuss was about.

The YOUTUBE Fitna presentation was pretty tame.

Just a presentation of graphic examples, of muslims being 'good' muslims, plus some relevant Quran verses.

What are muslims complaining about?

The truth?

Don't devout muslims want everyone to see devout muslims 'acting out', and showing non-muslims, what it means to be a 'good' muslim?

Why not?

:D

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Here is a good follow up to that Fitna presentation....

Interview of GEERT WILDERS, by Robert Spencer [of Jihad Watch].

This is part 3, which was definitely the best of the 1st three i have watched so far...

GEERT WILDERS Interview - Part Three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IguK0Eresxk

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Or can't you recognise it when it's the other way 'round?

I'd say it's you, not mozz, who has enormous trouble recognising things when they are the other way around. Oh the conundrum!

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:36pm:

Nice to see  you think you have your justification for non-Muslims doing it. "We didn't do it because of a holy book, so it's not as bad".

Despite yourself, you show the precise difference - bad things done by the west are open to usual examination and criticisms and prosecution in the light of reason.

Muslim attrocities, enabled, justified, excused and perpetuated in thee name of and under the authority of 'god's word' are not open to the same jurisdiction of reason.

There have been convictions of all sorts of terrorsits, muslim and otherwise,  under western law.
There has NEVER been, and NEVER will be a prosecution of muslim terrorists in a SHARIA, ISLAMIC court.
Why? Well, we know why.

abu - that IS the crux of the matter.
According to your koran you SHOULD wage war.

According to the NT, we should not.

sprint,

Serbians, Russians, Americans, Australians, British etc. certainly do a lot of war waging for people who claim they don't agree with it.

You can claim they're not Christians, but it's ridiculous. I've even seen tanks that are named "New Testament" (In fact I posted it for you once in the Spirituality forum) and tanks with crosses hung around their barrels etc.

If Christians do something wrong, they're not doing it in the name of the NT, so it's ok. If Muslims do anything wrong, they're always doing it in the name of the Qur'an so Islam is to blame.... Let's just look at what each side does, and it's quite obvious Christians commit far more carnage in the world than anyone else, with the exception perhaps of atheists, mozz??

lol
Sprint it's all religion to Islamics...  its them vs the rest and the rest are all religions.

Islam covers politics and law and every aspect of life so they seem to fail to understand secularism.  When a political decision is made by government  they think its a religious decision.  hence the Christians are guilty of waging war not the US government.   :D

this has got absolutely nothing to do with fitna.

start a new thread if you wish.

fitna gives quotes to support and encourage terrorist islamics.
You have given no defence, I assume it is true,

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Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 25^th, 2008 at 10:08am:

this has got absolutely nothing to do with fitna. start a new thread if you wish. fitna gives quotes to support and encourage terrorist islamics. You have given no defence, I assume it is true, Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic Don't deflect, stick to the topic

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