Ok guys- lets move the discussion here

I quikly read the other part of the discussion, but can't entirely recall it and don't know where it is !!!

imho, kafflics are a subset of christianity. VERY basically it could be said we all believe the same thing.
Though there are some pretty big differences.

Wrong sprint 99.99% of Christians follow the Catholic beliefs even though Catholics are only just over 50% of Christianity.

Aboo said...  must be right.   ::) :D ;D

Funny thing is, though I dont agree with many of the kafflick stuff, the kaffliks I know are pretty good people.

Been to a few kafflick churches, pretty ok with most of it all.

Grendel wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:54pm:

Wrong sprint 99.99% of Christians follow the Catholic beliefs even though Catholics are only just over 50% of Christianity.

With the primacy of the Pope being the main obstacle to Protestant and Orthodox recommunion with Rome.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:03pm:

Abus in my bad books ATM. sick of his "ways" mod: personal attack

let's keep this on topic please. you already have a thread complaining about mods and one about abu- maybe take this complaint to one of those

fair modding gaybriel.


I'll change it.

Grendel,


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Wrong sprint 99.99% of Christians follow the Catholic beliefs even though Catholics are only just over 50% of Christianity

99.99% of Christians don't follow all of Catholicisms beliefs, you just wrongly identified beliefs that weren't uniquely Catholic, but which are common to most Christians, ie. Trinity, Saints, Pope.

helian,


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With the primacy of the Pope being the main obstacle to Protestant and Orthodox recommunion with Rome.

Orthodox have their own popes, the problem was over the Eastern churches recognising the Latin dominated Western church as having primacy. We often don't realise that the Orthodox have their very own popes also. So it wasn't an opposition to the concept of 'popedom' but that they thought the pope should be from them perhaps. There were also many other factors involved, and in fact some Orthodox did re-integrate back into the Catholic church, but after the Crusades when the Western Christians sacked Constantinople and attacked their own fellow Christians, there was little hope of a full re-union.

Grendel,


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Catholicism departs quite fundamentally from other churches in its practices and that it believes in the Trinity, creates Saints, has a Pope(and all that entails), prays to/through idols etc,  and believes in confession etc, etc, etc...

This was your claim which started this line of discussion.

So far:
"believes in the Trinity"
"creates Saints"
"has a Pope"
"believes in confession"

Have all been refuted to not be uniquely Catholic beliefs, and are beliefs held by the overwhelming majority of Churches.

"prays to/through idols"

I admit there is probably a lot more dissent amongst Churches over this issue, and so I grant you this point.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 8:39am:

Orthodox have their own popes, the problem was over the Eastern churches recognising the Latin dominated Western church as having primacy. We often don't realise that the Orthodox have their very own popes also. So it wasn't an opposition to the concept of 'popedom' but that they thought the pope should be from them perhaps. There were also many other factors involved, and in fact some Orthodox did re-integrate back into the Catholic church, but after the Crusades when the Western Christians sacked Constantinople and attacked their own fellow Christians, there was little hope of a full re-union.

The heads of the Orthodox churches are known as Patriarchs. The term Pope is commonly used to refer to the Bishop of Rome. Since Pope John Paul II, there has been positive progress in healing the schism between the Roman Catholic church and the Orthodox churches. Recently the Orthodox churches have come to agree on the status of the Bishop of Rome as 'first among equals' (first among the Patriarchs) although there are still disagreements over what that means in terms of Papal authority.

The dialogue is continuing.

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The heads of the Orthodox churches are known as Patriarchs

Yes many Orthodox use the term Patriarch, but even that has the same meaning as Pope anyway. In Arabic countries, orthodox generally have a Pope, called "Baba" (which is Arabic for father, as Pope comes from the Latin for father), and is translated into English as Pope. Such as Baba shenoudah, who is known as the Pope of Alexandria in English, the head of the Coptic and and other African Orthodox churches.

Catholic        1,050,000,000
Orthodox/Eastern Christian      240,000,000
African indigenous sects (AICs)      110,000,000
Pentecostal      105,000,000
Reformed/Presbyterian/Congregational/United      75,000,000
Anglican      73,000,000
Baptist      70,000,000
Methodist      70,000,000
Lutheran      64,000,000
Jehovah's Witnesses      14,800,000
Adventist      12,000,000
Latter Day Saints      12,500,000
Apostolic/New Apostolic      10,000,000
Stone-Campbell ("Restoration Movement")      5,400,000
New Thought (Unity, Christian Science, etc.)      1,500,000
Brethren (incl. Plymouth)      1,500,000
Mennonite      1,250,000
Friends (Quakers)      300,000

I think these figures are about twenty years old, so we could expect to have seen a rise in the numbers of the evangelical branch numbers.

It shows a diversity of christians, of which catholics make up a little over half.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 9:55am:

Quote: The heads of the Orthodox churches are known as Patriarchs Yes many Orthodox use the term Patriarch, but even that has the same meaning as Pope anyway. In Arabic countries, orthodox generally have a Pope, called "Baba" (which is Arabic for father, as Pope comes from the Latin for father), and is translated into English as Pope. Such as Baba shenoudah, who is known as the Pope of Alexandria in English, the head of the Coptic and and other African Orthodox churches.

Yes they all have clerical primates and the Roman Catholic Church would rank them with Cardinals. The issue with primacy is whether the Orthodox Churches will accept a supreme head (the bishop of Rome) and what authority the supreme head should have over a reunited church.

Mozza,

Is that from adherents.com? They have so many different conflicting figures.

Anyway, it's safe to say from all figures that Catholics are the largest group of Christians, followed by traditional Protestants (ie. the original European Protestants, not the reformed American  movements, which mostly stem from Protestantism/Anglicanism) and then Orthodox.

All 3 of those groups do believe in saints, do believe in the trinity, do believe in confession though not all of them confess believe in confession to a priest, and two of them have a Pope (or supreme patriarch, which is just father in another language, as is Pope).

ROTFLMAO.

back to English 101 for you Aboo...

Catholicism departs quite fundamentally from other churches in its practices and that it believes in the Trinity, creates Saints, has a Pope(and all that entails), prays to/through idols etc,  and believes in confession etc, etc, etc...

So apart from the Catholics what other churches do all these things Aboo?  You claim only .01% of Christian churches depart from these Catholic practices.

Sorry but I'm right and you are again... W R O N G.

Must I post all the individual stuff for you again?
I note others are already correcting you here.  
Which is funny considering you are such a pedant in everything else...  yet you choose to gloss over and generalise here.

For me, I don't have much "holding" in a saint, nor a pope.

Confessing sins is good, it sure does not mean one is let off !!!
Confessing sins is more a self realisation.

Forgiving others is WAY better !!!

aboo... my church is one of the many in the Protestant group.  We do not have confessionals nor do we practice confession, nor do we go and confess to our priests in fact we don't have priests.  Nor Nuns...  nor Bishops nor Cardinals etc, etc, etc....  oh and of course we dont have a pope nor believe in his INFALLABILTY.

:D ::) ::)

grendel - sounds like you make up your own minds on things and acept responsibility for your own actions !!!!!!!!!

Also that you don't think an old guy in the vatican is always right.

Well sprint God gave us free will...  something that Islam through the Koran seems to try and  limit severely... in all aspects of life.

Aboo...  we haven't even touched on the Eucharist yet have we?  Guess what.  NOT PRACTICED IN MY CHURCH.... Is it practiced by 99.9% of Christianity?  ;D

ROTFLMAO

What ??  You are just playing with words are you ?
You have wine and wafers ?

One church I was in, had grape juice and wafers. That was a good idea.