Islam believes itself to be the one true religion.

The Koran the unadulterated word of God.

All must submit to Islam eventually.

Whether by free will or by the sword.

Wherever did you get such an outlandish idea like THAT from ??

Abu and lestat will surely prove you wrong.

lol

won a bet with myself on this one sprint.

I bet none of them would come near this topic...  the truth is too painful and hard to defend against.

;D ;D ;D

hhaha, talk about an odds on favourite.


Hey - at last they never denied it !!!

Grendel wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 1:55pm:

Islam believes itself to be the one true religion. The Koran the unadulterated word of God. All must submit to Islam eventually. Whether by free will or by the sword.

World submission??? World domination??? Hahahahahahahaha!!! In your twisted, WACIST and delusional world, Grendal!!! You wacist!!!

As Abu and BR would say, what a downright wacist, bigoted and absurd thing to say, Grendal.

Not only is what you're saying absolutely not true, there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest Islam is anything but a peaceful religion intent on getting along with everyone. You're clear wacism and KKK behaviour is just blinding you from what's really true, Grendal. You deserve to die!!! Die wacist, die!!!


http://www.amcoptic.com/Jihad/jihad23.jpg

http://obadiah1317.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/islam_will_dominate_1.jpg

http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam6.jpg

http://xe0.xanga.com/2f8a95ea0963471918318/b48399973.jpg

http://www.island-of-freedom.com/gashouse/religionofpeace.jpg

http://watch.windsofchange.net/pics/2006/DSCF0035_s.jpg

http://www.asianews.it/files/img/ISLAM_-_UK.jpg

http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/08/muslim220806_600x400.jpg

You think maybe I should delete the "free will" part of my opening post?

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won a bet with myself on this one sprint.

Not good to gamble.

Yes of course Islam aims for total world domination, as do all ideologies. Just that most others are much less honest/open about it.


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All must submit to Islam eventually.

This sentence doesn't make a lot of sense when we consider the meaning of Islam (submission). All must submit to submission eventually... Submission to submission?

All must submit to the Creator eventually I think you mean.

No abu, islam is the only belief that aims for world domination.

you may not think this, but when "normal" people hear this, they think I am joking.

ROTFLMAO
You are way too easy aboo...  back with the pedantry eh  ;D ;D ;D

I know what Islam means.

I also know what Islamics want for the world.  Hitler was the last one that tried that.

Good to see you don't even attempt to refute the TRUTH.

Unfortunate that it is the truth and you accept it blindly and happily.

ARROGANCE!!!

All religions may like the thought of being able to convince everyone in the world that they are the way and the light, and many actually "proselytise" strongly wherever they can, but only Islam has the baldfaced arrogance to demand capitulation to their beliefs, under a vile threat of violence and death.

HUBRIS!!
Only Islam has the hubris to believe their insanity is actually achievable.

mozzaok,

Unfortunately for you, there's a 2000 year history of Christianity that shows that it was spread often by violent conflict and total decimation and eradication of any pre-existing ideologies/beliefs.

And likewise there's a 1400 year history of Islam that shows it was spread by missionary activity, which was accompanied by military support, and that almost every single pre-existing belief/ideology STILL REMAINS till this day, in most cases over 1000 years later. Proselytisers to Islam from amongst the companions of Muhammad (pbuh) reached China to preach Islam, no army accompanied them...

It's quite obvious to anyone with an objective bone in their body which ideology was spread by "the baldfaced arrogance to demand capitulation to their beliefs, under a vile threat of violence and death."

ROTFLMAO

Of course there is no such thing as Christian missionaries.
Of course the Muslim invasion of India wasn't the bloodiest in human history.
Oh and the Crusades of course were not the retaking of Jerusalem.
Of course the murder of Christians just because they aren't Muslim doesn't happen. Nor did the Bali bombing.  Etc, etc, etc.

Oh and...

Islam believes itself to be the one true religion.

The Koran the unadulterated word of God.

All must submit to Islam eventually.

Whether by free will or by the sword.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:10am:

No abu, islam is the only belief that aims for world domination. you may not think this, but when "normal" people hear this, they think I am joking.

for real?? I always thought of christians being the most active in the attempts to 'convert the world'

Well you'd be wrong then gaybriel.

The Catholics tried it.

They aren't trying it anymore.

In Christianity belief and "membership" is not forced.

Grendel wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:07am:

Well you'd be wrong then gaybriel. The Catholics tried it. They aren't trying it anymore. In Christianity belief and "membership" is not forced.

what about door knockers? and missionaries are still at it.

They were in Thailand when I was there after the tsunami. I believe it went "come to our church or we won't build you a house".

Sounds forced to me.

I'm not saying this is all christians, but certainly the mission to convert has been a strong one within the christian tradition. Just because the tradition is less so now, doesn't mean it is discounted from the religion as a whole.

If Islam is constantly asked to answer for its history- why not christianity? Or do we only speak of christianity as it has been for the last few decades?

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The Catholics tried it. They aren't trying it anymore.

Btw, when the "Catholics" were waging wars in the name of Christ, there was no such thing as Protestant, they were all "Catholics". In fact most of those who went and fought in the name of Christ were French/English/German (ie. those who later became Protestants)..


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In Christianity belief and "membership" is not forced.

Not anymore, because you were stripped of that power. For the majority of the  history of Christianity it WAS  enforced, and the alternative was death. Like the millions of Muslims from al-Andalus who were given the choice of the cross or the stake. Or the Scandanavian heathens who were forcefully converted during the Baltic crusades. Christianity simply left nothing in it's path, it was conversion or death, unlike Islam, where we  see hundreds of different pre-Islamic religions, languages, cultures still extant in the Muslim lands.

Gaybriel abd Abu -  Gosh yes !!!
Christians have done LOTS of bad stuff over the centuries.

but, this is a thread on islam, so should be kept to that topic.


yet again, feel free to start a thread on the new topic

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:56am:

Gaybriel abd Abu -  Gosh yes !!! Christians have done LOTS of bad stuff over the centuries. but, this is a thread on islam, so should be kept to that topic. yet again, feel free to start a thread on the new topic

agreed.

I'm not trying to turn this around to make it about christianity. I was just responding to your claim that islam is the only religion that looks for world domination- I don't think that's really true, as most people who belong to a religious group (or don't) seem to wish for everyone else to follow what they follow.

even atheists often express a desire (also seen on this forum) for all religions to disappear and for everyone to adopt atheism!

I think it's only natural, when one believes their way is the right way to live, to want others to live that way as well.

it's when people try to enforce that upon others that it starts to get nasty

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it's when people try to enforce that upon others that it starts to get nasty

which is exactly in a number of quotes from the koran.

i am not aware of any other belief having that "demand"

Let's hear one of them sprint...

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Yes of course Islam aims for total world domination

Now that the truth is out, what do the rest of us do about it? Any suggestions? Please note, this thread is about Islam and it's desire for world domination, go start another thread about other groups' quests for their world domination if you need to discuss anything other than Islam.

jordan484 wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:01pm:

Quote: Yes of course Islam aims for total world domination Now that the truth is out, what do the rest of us do about it? Any suggestions? Please note, this thread is about Islam and it's desire for world domination, go start another thread about other groups' quests for their world domination if you need to discuss anything other than Islam.

first we must establish if this is actually truth. and if it is actually any different to any other group's desires- hence the discussion of other groups. I don't think we need to go into too much detail- but it is a valid point

Well, since all knowing and all seeing abu said it's true, then it must be!!! ;D

The only reason muslims bring in other religions is to try (poorly) to defend their own atrocities.

Let's concentrate on Islams desire for world domination, and what the rest of us need to do about it.

jordan484 wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:10pm:

Well, since all knowing and all seeing abu said it's true, then it must be!!! ;D The only reason muslims bring in other religions is to try (poorly) to defend their own atrocities. Let's concentrate on Islams desire for world domination, and what the rest of us need to do about it.

I was the one who brought in other religions- not abu. and my point was not to deflect from the discussion of Islam, but to look at it in relative terms to the rest of the world. this is actually not an unreasonable thing to do.

Actually, if you take a look back you'll find abu bought it up a couple of times before you even posted in this thread.

from memory

"Make islam the dominant religion over all other religions."

There are others about humbling the infidels, making them pay the extra tax in humiliation.

Anyway, let's keep this on topic. It's about Islam and their desire for world domination.

Nice to see through the smoke and mirrors that aboo agreed with me that catholics tried to force their religion on the world and failed and aren't doing it any more and that  Christianity doesn't force 'membership" anymore.

So Aboo when is Islam going to grow-up?

Oh and gaybriel as for your belief about what the "missionary" said..  lol...  anyone believing that would be acceptable has gotta be kidding themselves or grasping for straws in an apologist sort of way.

jordan484 wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:41pm:

Actually, if you take a look back you'll find abu bought it up a couple of times before you even posted in this thread.

so he did- but I see this as on topic- within certain limits.

how can one ascertain the desire for world domination without understanding what that means to islam? what it means for other groups? and what it has meant for groups past?

Grendel wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:51pm:

Nice to see through the smoke and mirrors that aboo agreed with me that catholics tried to force their religion on the world and failed and aren't doing it any more and that  Christianity doesn't force 'membership" anymore. So Aboo when is Islam going to grow-up? Oh and gaybriel as for your belief about what the "missionary" said..  lol...  anyone believing that would be acceptable has gotta be kidding themselves or grasping for straws in an apologist sort of way.

?? did I say it was acceptable??

I merely said it was common practise over there at that time

Well it wouldn't be acceptable or correct over here... so is it a Thai thing?  cultures and expressions etc differ you know...  

You say they all say this?  or you just believe someone said it?

It's obviously NOT a Christian thing to do or say.  So why portray it as such?  

Grendel wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:25pm:

Well it wouldn't be acceptable or correct over here... so is it a Thai thing?  cultures and expressions etc differ you know...   You say they all say this?  or you just believe someone said it? It's obviously NOT a Christian thing to do or say.  So why portray it as such?

no- it wasn't thai missionaries. it was overseas religious organisations.

no- I was there, it was a common practise widely known by all around there at the time.

I was pointing out that the 'missionary' aspect of christianity has not died out- as seemed to be implied.

lol

No one said it had...  yet you spread heresay and crap.  based on nothing apparently.

Grendel wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:51pm:

Nice to see through the smoke and mirrors that aboo agreed with me that catholics tried to force their religion on the world and failed and aren't doing it any more and that  Christianity doesn't force 'membership" anymore. So Aboo when is Islam going to grow-up? Oh and gaybriel as for your belief about what the "missionary" said..  lol...  anyone believing that would be acceptable has gotta be kidding themselves or grasping for straws in an apologist sort of way.

I can believe it. And it think that it is not off topic.

The Christian missionary mission is alive and well. Just not as strong as it used to be.

Back to the topic

here are some quote from the koran/hadiths showing islam s goal is world domination

"Make islam the dominant religion over all other religions."

There are others about humbling the infidels, making them pay the extra tax in humiliation.

Sura 8:39 “Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and
Allah’s religion shall reign supreme.”

True Muslims fight for Allah.” (4:76).
4:104 Seek out your enemies relentlessly

5:34 Those that make war against Allah and his apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be put to death or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land.
5:35 Fight valiantly for His cause, so that you may triumph.
5:39 As for the man or woman who is guilty of theft, cut off their hands to punish them for their crimes.
44:14-16 They denied him (Mohammed) saying: ‘A madman taught by others’. On that day we will inflict on them the supreme punishment and avenge ourself.

8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

8:39 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.






there are many other like it. openly encouraging warfare and extremism till everyone is overwhelmed

Surely lestat and abu should have been able to post these for us ??

loc...  read my quote, couldn't see the words off topic nor any denial that missionaries still exist.

Grendel wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:07am:

Well you'd be wrong then gaybriel. The Catholics tried it. They aren't trying it anymore. In Christianity belief and "membership" is not forced.

this is what you said about the attempt to convert others (which is a big part of what missionaries do)- my comment was in response to that. so yes it was said

no you are totally wrong and no amount of wrigglin will make you right.
It doesn't say anywhere that missionaries don't exist.  I'd have stated that.

nice try..  no prize

hey guess what...  other religions have missionaries too... even Islam.
(psst... lots of their current recruiting is done in NSW gaols)

Could the mod delete the last 2  3 posts, persistantly offtopic

Oh and gaybriel...  just as further proof and to show you shouldn't jump in with assumptions and not read all a topic and comment out of context...

I supply the following..

The comment quoted was in direct context with the phrase/term "world domination"

oh and previously i already stated..

ROTFLMAO

Of course there is no such thing as Christian missionaries.
Of course the Muslim invasion of India wasn't the bloodiest in human history.
Oh and the Crusades of course were not the retaking of Jerusalem.
Of course the murder of Christians just because they aren't Muslim doesn't happen. Nor did the Bali bombing.  Etc, etc, etc.

Oh and...

Islam believes itself to be the one true religion.

The Koran the unadulterated word of God.

All must submit to Islam eventually.

Whether by free will or by the sword.

Which in context means I did already state quite emphatically there are Christian Missionaries.

If in doubt go back and reread the complete topic.  My meaning is completely clear.  You dear...  were W R O N G.

Grendel wrote on Oct 25^th, 2008 at 11:41am:

Oh and gaybriel...  just as further proof and to show you shouldn't jump in with assumptions and not read all a topic and comment out of context... I supply the following.. The comment quoted was in direct context with the phrase/term "world domination" oh and previously i already stated.. ROTFLMAO Of course there is no such thing as Christian missionaries. Of course the Muslim invasion of India wasn't the bloodiest in human history. Oh and the Crusades of course were not the retaking of Jerusalem. Of course the murder of Christians just because they aren't Muslim doesn't happen. Nor did the Bali bombing.  Etc, etc, etc. Oh and... Islam believes itself to be the one true religion. The Koran the unadulterated word of God. All must submit to Islam eventually. Whether by free will or by the sword. Which in context means I did already state quite emphatically there are Christian Missionaries. If in doubt go back and reread the complete topic.  My meaning is completely clear.  You dear...  were W R O N G.

I read it within context- perhaps you should have clarified your statement that I quoted previously

::) ::) ::)

honestly...  is English your first language.

Go back and start at the beginning.
I cant be bothered pointing out how wrong you are yet again.
Anyone with a modicum of colloquial English can clearly see what I said and that I already clearly pointed out Christian Missionaries exist.

Just face it you were wrong and stop wasting my time and boring me and everyone else by making me repeat myself ad nauseum.

could the mod at least move these offtopic posts to a new thread under the appropriate heading.

they have got nothing at all to do with the topic.