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Title: Islam 'recognizes homosexuality' Post by sprintcyclist on Oct 9th, 2008 at 6:52pm
Homosexuals and homosexuality are natural and created by God, thus permissible within Islam, a discussion concluded here Thursday.
Moderate Muslim scholars said there were no reasons to reject homosexuals under Islam, and that the condemnation of homosexuals and homosexuality by mainstream ulema and many other Muslims was based on narrow-minded interpretations of Islamic teachings. Siti Musdah Mulia of the Indonesia Conference of Religions and Peace cited the Koran's al-Hujurat (49:3) that one of the blessings for human beings was that all men and women are equal, regardless of ethnicity, wealth, social positions or even sexual orientation. "There is no difference between lesbians and nonlesbians. In the eyes of God, people are valued based on their piety," she told the discussion organized by nongovernmental organization Arus Pelangi. "And talking about piety is God's prerogative to judge," she added. "The essence of the religion (Islam) is to humanize humans, respect and dignify them." Musdah said homosexuality was from God and should be considered natural, adding it was not pushed only by passion. Mata Air magazine managing editor Soffa Ihsan said Islam's acknowledgement of heterogeneity should also include homosexuality. He said Muslims needed to continue to embrace ijtihad (the process of making a legal decision by independent interpretation of the Koran and the Sunnah) to avoid being stuck in the old paradigm without developing open-minded interpretations. Another speaker at the discussion, Nurofiah of the Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), said the dominant notion of heterogeneity was a social construction, leading to the banning of homosexuality by the majority. "Like gender bias or patriarchy, heterogeneity bias is socially constructed. It would be totally different if the ruling group was homosexuals," she said. Other speakers said the magnificence of Islam was that it could be blended and integrated into local culture. "In fact, Indonesia's culture has accepted homosexuality. The homosexual group in Bugis-Makassar tradition called Bissu is respected and given a high position in the kingdom. "Also, we know that in Ponorogo (East Java) there has been acknowledgement of homosexuality," Arus Pelangi head Rido Triawan said. Condemnation of homosexuality was voiced by two conservative Muslim groups, the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) and Hizbut Thahir Indonesia (HTI). "It's a sin. We will not consider homosexuals an enemy, but we will make them aware that what they are doing is wrong," MUI deputy chairman Amir Syarifuddin said. Rokhmat, of the hardline HTI, several times asked homosexual participants in attendance to repent and force themselves to gradually return to the right path. " http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/03/27/islam-039recognizes-homosexuality039.html Get with the picture, islamicabu |
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Title: Re: Islam 'recognizes homosexuality' Post by pender on Oct 9th, 2008 at 7:12pm
this sounds like what the protestant churches are doing with christianity, deliberatly disregarding teachings...
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Title: Re: Islam 'recognizes homosexuality' Post by abu_rashid on Oct 9th, 2008 at 7:33pm
It's not even that pender. The Protestant churches are huge organisations (with hundreds of millions of followers). There's no such huge organisation of Muslims who'd ever accept this nonsense. Probably makes sprint feel better though if he can find someone with a Muslim name claiming this rubbish, rather than just his fellow Christians always pushing to legalise it.
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They dress like women, I don't think there's any evidence they are 'homosexual', also they're not Muslim, they follow a pre-Islamic pagan religion. |
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Title: Re: Islam 'recognizes homosexuality' Post by sprintcyclist on Oct 10th, 2008 at 1:10am
hey malik you islamic sympathiser,
come out here where you and islamabu are not mods. |
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Title: Re: Islam 'recognizes homosexuality' Post by sprintcyclist on Oct 11th, 2008 at 10:40am
here is a page for the homosexual muslims.
Oh, thats right, muslims are not ever homos. http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/queermuslims/ you muslims here have given islam a terrible image. At least you are honest, but I could sell islam MUCH better than you two could |
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Title: Re: Islam 'recognizes homosexuality' Post by muso on Oct 12th, 2008 at 9:16am
I'm not surprised. There are plenty of [modded: offensive] in Indonesia. Well, effeminate guys who hold hands with other guys. I don't know what else they get up to. It's much more tolerated in certain parts of Indonesia than it is here. Mine sites are full of them anyway.
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Title: Re: Islam 'recognizes homosexuality' Post by mozzaok on Oct 12th, 2008 at 9:52am
Good on them for speaking up.
Once the hardline nutjobs, are pushed out of the way, Islam will be free to evolve into a faith that decent, modern humans can follow. So many of their teachings are very good, if they choose to promote those good ones, instead of all the bossy, bad ones, we would be much better off. |
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Title: Re: Islam 'recognizes homosexuality' Post by freediver on Oct 13th, 2008 at 3:53pm |
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