Wednesday, 24 September 2008
Today in the "Religion of Peace™"

On September 24th, in 768, the Abbasid Caliph Abu Abdullah Musa ibn Mahdi al-Hadi  (regnal name: al-Hadi) died.  Alternatively, some sources record the date of his death ten days earlier.  His exact age is unknown, but he was in his mid-twenties.  Early Islamic chronicler al-Tabari related that al-Hadi was murdered by his own mother and his vizier Yahya bin Khalid Barmaki.

The Abbasid Caliphate, based in Baghdad and composed of Sunnis, cooperated with the Shi'a of Persia to overthrow the Sunni Umayyad Caliphate based in Damascus, Syria.  The Abbasids' tolerance of non-Arab Muslims (mawali) was significant, as ethnic Arabs had always been seen as superior within Islam.  As soon as the Umayyad were toppled, the Abbasid disavowed any support for the Shi'a, and instead massacred them.

Besides the Abbasids and the Umayyads, the other two major historical caliphates were the Fatimids of Cairo and the Turkish Ottomans of Istanbul.  Each caliphate fought the others for the right to claim to be the sole representative of Muslims. Each caliphate had its own hereditary chain of descendency  from the original founders of Islam to justify its claim to legitimacy.

Like his father al-Mahdi, al-Hadi spent the majority of his reign crushing revolts and killing rivals and their followers.  Al-Mahdi (the father) had begun a major intra-Islamic persecution of those Muslims he deemed Zindik, or heretics.  Al-Hadi became caliph when his father was poisoned by one of his concubines.

During al-Hadi's reign as caliph, rival Husayn ibn Ali ibn Hasan declared himself caliph in Medina .  Al-Hadi sent an army to crush the Husayn caliphate, butchering Husayn and his followers in a locality of Medina called Fakhh.

In a dispute over the planned succession of his brother Harun ar-Rashid, Al-Hadi tried to kill his mother by poisoning her, using the old "try some of this tasty rice" trick:

"Yahya b. al-Hasan related that his father transmitted the information to him, saying: I heard Kalisah telling al-'Abbas b. al-Fadl b. al-Rabi that Musa sent to his mother al-Khayzuran a dish of rice, saying, "I found this tasty and accordingly ate some of it, so you have some too!" Khalisah related: But I said to her, "Don't touch it until you investigate further, for I am afraid that it might contain something to your detriment." So they brought in a dog; it ate some and fell down dead. Musa sent to al-Khayzuran afterwards and said, "How did you like the dish of rice?" She replied, "I enjoyed it very much." He said, "You can't have eaten it, because if you had, I would have been rid of you. When was any Caliph happy who had a mother (still alive)?"

Now, unlike obligatory kufircide, the Qur'an does not mandate matricide; but the fact that the supreme representative of Islam attempted to do so (and was instead pre-emptively assassinated by her) can justifiably be said to reflect on the mores and values of that noble religion

Due to his untimely death, al-Hadi was caliph for less than two years.  His brother Harun did succeed him, and became famous in the West as the caliph whose court is described in the "One Thousand and One Arabian Nights" fable.

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His brother Harun did succeed him, and became famous in the West as the caliph whose court is described in the "One Thousand and One Arabian Nights" fable.

Fable indeed..

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 7^th, 2008 at 9:46pm:

Quote: His brother Harun did succeed him, and became famous in the West as the caliph whose court is described in the "One Thousand and One Arabian Nights" fable. Fable indeed..

Arabian fable.

Really? I thought it was an Etruscan fable.

Anyway, at least this post has a little more hisroticity to it than the one about Suharto implementing Shari'ah and waging Jihad  ;D

First I knew that McCarthyism is based on Shari'ah and Jihad..

muslims being linked to assassainations !!!!!!


WWWhhhhooooodddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaa thunk it ?

Doesn't the word assassin come from the Muslims?

Something about them smoking hash and then going out and murdering?

Hashassins or something?

there are some interesting references to ishmael (the father of all arabs) and assassainations in the bible and the koran.

Easel,

It does indeed come from the Arabic word for Hashish, however they weren't Muslims. They were apostates, who actually used to go around assassinating great Muslim leaders, like Nizam al-Mulk, and they even tried to assassinate Sulahudeen al-Ayyubi.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 7^th, 2008 at 11:35pm:

there are some interesting references to ishmael (the father of all arabs) and assassainations in the bible and the koran.

... call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

That means assassination?

No, that means always looking for a fight. always up in arms against the world. Not peacefu but thriving on conflict a marauder.

Wasn't there something posted on here discrediting the theory that assassin is derived from hashishin? I think maybe Malik posted it.

assassin  
1531 (in Anglo-L. from c.1237), via Fr. and It., from Arabic hashishiyyin "hashish-users," pl. of hashishiyy, from hashish (q.v.). A fanatical Ismaili Muslim sect of the time of the Crusades, under leadership of the "Old Man of the Mountains" (translates Arabic shaik-al-jibal, name applied to Hasan ibu-al-Sabbah), with a reputation for murdering opposing leaders after intoxicating themselves by eating hashish. The pl. suffix -in was mistaken in Europe for part of the word (cf. Bedouin).

(oxford dictionary of english etymology)

Here is an interesting list of history famous assassins

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassins

Did you check the list tallowood posted soren?? Don't seem to be too many Muslim names on there. Seems to be quite a lot of Christian names though...

BTW, are assassination and terrorism the same thing?

Depends. If it's Muslims doing it, then yes it's terrorism. If not, then probably not. Unless it was the IRA, then maybe.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:03am:

Depends. If it's Muslims doing it, then yes it's terrorism. If not, then probably not. Unless it was the IRA, then maybe.

American unibomber and Oklahoma bomber wern't Muslims yet they called them terrorists.

Traditionally an assassin would choose an individual victim or small group of victims as specific targets to achieve a specific tusk while a terrorist goes for as large as possible unspecified group to create a havoc.

tallowood wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:51am:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 9th, 2008 at 11:03am: Depends. If it's Muslims doing it, then yes it's terrorism. If not, then probably not. Unless it was the IRA, then maybe. American unibomber and Oklahoma bomber wern't Muslims yet they called them terrorists. Traditionally an assassin would choose an individual victim or small group of victims as specific targets to achieve a specific tusk while a terrorist goes for as large as possible unspecified group to create a havoc.

Mossad has a long history of targetting specific individuals to achieve a specific task, as well as Israels well documented use of WMD on civilians.

Does this mean that Israel is both...terrorists and assasins.

Also the US is known to have made many assasination attempts on Saddam Hussien during the 90's...

On the Hassasin...they can hardly be regarded as a muslim sect, especially considering that at their stronghold at Alamut, under the rule of the famous Hasasin leader Hasan al Sabbah, reading the Quran or practising Quranic law was actually outlawed.

They were actually allied with the templers during the crusades, and did plenty of their dirty work for them.

tallowood wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:51am:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 9th, 2008 at 11:03am: Depends. If it's Muslims doing it, then yes it's terrorism. If not, then probably not. Unless it was the IRA, then maybe. American unibomber and Oklahoma bomber wern't Muslims yet they called them terrorists. Traditionally an assassin would choose an individual victim or small group of victims as specific targets to achieve a specific tusk while a terrorist goes for as large as possible unspecified group to create a havoc.

I think abu was taking the piss

btw where is this article from? source?

obligatory kufircide? gees I'd better tell my msulim friends- they havent been doing their job