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Title: Who's at fault here? Post by mantra on Aug 13th, 2007 at 12:36pm
Why would the female employee complain after wanting the bathroom door opened so she could go to the loo? Surely once she saw 3 naked people, she would have backed out quickly and gone somewhere else? Instead she sat on the toilet and watched the threesome in horror.
Telstra girl wins job back after naked bath romp A FEMALE Telstra employee who was sacked over an incredible naked sex romp following a staff function has won her job back. Carlie Streeter, who had sex in the bath with two male colleagues at a hotel while embarassed women co-workers cringed just metres away - will also be compensated by the telco, following a ruling by the Industrial Relations Commission, The Australian reports. Telstra sacked Ms Streeter after claiming she sexually harassed three female colleagues by having sex with two men, on two different occasions, just metres from where they were sleeping on a hotel room floor. Telstra said Ms Streeter had also sexually harassed another female employee because she was naked in the hotel bath with two Telstra male workers in the presence of the employee. The incidents occurred in the early hours of February 25 following a belated Christmas party attended by staff from the Telstra retail outlet at Westfield Shopping Town in Miranda in Sydney's south. Organised by Telstra employee Daniela Hyett, the group met at Northies pub in neighbouring Cronulla before going to the nearby Naked Grape restaurant. A room at Rydges hotel was booked and four staff planned to stay overnight. After the party, three female staff checked into the room and went to sleep around 1am. Two male employees and a former Miranda employee arrived shortly afterwards, and got in the bath together. The commission heard that Ms Streeter then arrived, appearing "very drunk" according to evidence from one staff member to the Industrial Relations Commission. The commission heard that the three women went back to sleep, with one later waking up to find Ms Streeter having sex with Aakash Sharma, another shop employee. After 10 minutes, they went to the bathroom and were heard again having sex. Ms Hyett gave evidence that she separately woke up and needed to go the toilet but the bathroom door was locked. She was let in by Ms Streeter and found Mr Sharma and the store manager, Steve Hatzistergos, naked in the bath. Ms Streeter got back in the bath naked while Ms Hyett was on the toilet. Ms Hyett said she felt very embarrassed and had "stage fright" as the trio were watching. Telstra management subsequently investigated the conduct, terminating Ms Streeter's employment for reasons including that she sexually harassed the female employees by having sex in the room and being in the bath with the two males, and failing to treat Ms Hyett with respect by being present while she urinated. Telstra asserted Ms Streeter's conduct was an indecent act under the NSW Crimes Act. It suggested she had committed a "criminal act of obscenity". Last Friday, the commission ruled Ms Streeter had been unjustly sacked. While the employees were upset by Ms Streeter's conduct, the commission found it was not enough to constitute sexual harassment. The sexual conduct took place in a hotel room, with the lights out, in the early hours of the morning, when Ms Streeter thought the other employees were asleep, the commission found. Most of the conduct occurred well away from the workplace, after rather than during a work function, and in a hotel room that was booked and paid for privately. The commission found Ms Streeter had dishonestly answered questions during the investigation, but "on the whole ... was a woman 'more sinned against than sinning"'. Telstra was ordered to re-employ Ms Streeter at another retail outlet and pay compensation equal to any remuneration lost as a result of her sacking. Ms Streeter's father said yesterday his daughter - who had moved out of the family home into a unit - had been warned not to speak to the media. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by sprintcyclist on Aug 13th, 2007 at 2:20pm
What a very strange string of events .
Did it all happen at a private room afte the telstra function ? therefore nothing to do with telstra sacking her, or reinstating her and giving her money ? How come the men were not sacked too ? I'ld imagine the toilet was in the same room as the bath. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by mantra on Aug 13th, 2007 at 4:51pm Quote:
Yes it seems that is how it was. It just seems strange that if the employee was so horrified at the naked people in the bath - that she would continue to sit on the toilet in front of them. ::) :o |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by freediver on Aug 13th, 2007 at 4:59pm
What was she supposed to do? Go in the corner?
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by mantra on Aug 13th, 2007 at 6:30pm
It was a hotel - she wouldn't have had to go far to find a toilet outside of the room. In fact if she was that prudish and desperate, she would have demanded the three of them get out before she used the bathroom.
Although it was a drunk and disgusting night for those not involved - not only were the two men not sacked, it was the aftermath of an office party, which isn't that uncommon. One drunk woman got singled out - the whole story reeks of persecution. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by freediver on Aug 13th, 2007 at 7:04pm
I think making someone go wandering round a hotel in the middle of the night to pee because there are people fornicating in the bathroom would be just as much harassment, as would making them try to get three naked people out of a bathtub. There aren't actually that many 'common' toilets in a hotel, especially if you don't know your way around.
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by sprintcyclist on Aug 13th, 2007 at 7:56pm
That's what struck me too mantra. Why did that one woman get singled out and not the others ?
What was her "crime" anyway ? Other peoples ethics are not a crime. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by sprintcyclist on Aug 14th, 2007 at 4:21pm
The soapie continues ........
"Telstra sacks four over rompArticle from: Font size: Decrease Increase Email article: Email Print article: Print Submit comment: Submit comment August 14, 2007 07:00am TELSTRA has sacked three more employees involved in an early-morning naked sex romp that occurred after they left an after-hours staff function. And Telstra yesterday announced it would appeal against an order that it rehire and pay compensation to a fourth employee sacked for her part in the escapade. 'Sexual harassment' The Australian reported yesterday that Telstra sacked Carlie Streeter in March after claiming she sexually harassed three female colleagues by having sex just metres from where they were sleeping on a hotel-room floor. Telstra said Ms Streeter had also sexually harassed a female colleague because she was naked in the hotel bath with two male employees in the presence of the woman. A Telstra spokeswoman revealed yesterday the two male employees - sales officer Aakash Sharma and store manager Steve Hatzistergos - had been sacked, along with a female employee it refused to name. "As a result of our investigation into this incident, three other employees (as well as Ms Streeter) were dismissed for inappropriate behaviour," the spokeswoman said. Staff party The complaints arose after an evening staff gathering in February when four of the employees had planned to stay overnight at a Cronulla hotel in Sydney's south. The Industrial Relations Commission on Friday upheld Ms Streeter's claim that she had been unjustly sacked. The commission said most of the conduct occurred well away from the workplace after, rather than during, a work function, and in a hotel room that was booked and paid for privately. It said that although the employees were upset by Ms Streeter's conduct, it was not enough to constitute sexual harassment. It ruled that the sexual conduct took place in a hotel room, with the lights out, in the early hours of the morning, when Ms Streeter thought the other employees were asleep. Telstra ordered to re-employ Streeter Telstra was ordered to re-employ Ms Streeter at another shop and pay compensation equal to any remuneration lost as a result of her sacking. But the Telstra spokeswoman said yesterday the corporation intended to appeal against the decision. In its evidence to the commission, Telstra argued that Ms Streeter's conduct occurred in a work-related context. It said the employees would not have been in the hotel room together had it not been for the belated Christmas party function, which was funded by Telstra. It said the sexual intercourse engaged in by Ms Streeter was clearly not welcome to the three female colleagues because it was close to them and would have been anticipated by a reasonable person to have "offended, humiliated or intimidated them". But Ms Streeter, through her lawyer, said the function was more in the nature of a party organised by a junior employee for a group of fellow workers than a work-related function. She said there was no evidence that Telstra management was aware of the hotel booking, and that the room was a "private booking with no connection to Telstra at all". Her lawyer said her conduct in having sex with Mr Sharma was not directed to anyone else in the room, no-one in the room told her the conduct was unwelcome, the lights were off and she thought everyone else was asleep. " http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22241948-953,00.html |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by freediver on Aug 14th, 2007 at 5:02pm
But Ms Streeter, through her lawyer, said the function was more in the nature of a party organised by a junior employee for a group of fellow workers than a work-related function.
She said there was no evidence that Telstra management was aware of the hotel booking, and that the room was a "private booking with no connection to Telstra at all". Given that, I think the judge is definitely right. Provided you behave yourself at the work function, it shouldn't matter what you go on to do later that night. However it was still a stupid thing to do. You shouldn't play up too much with your colleges, especially if a 'professional image' is part of the job or you ever hope to get promoted. The telstra bosses were just too lazy or to impatient to make up a legally justifiable excuse to fire them. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by oceansblue on Aug 14th, 2007 at 5:12pm
Sounds like the female having sex with the 2 men in the bath was the subject of a witchhunt by the other women. I sounds involved but not that indecent and the woman on the toilet well thats strange she would not speak up and at least let them know she was there...IF it was so offensive.
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by mantra on Aug 14th, 2007 at 5:38pm Quote:
Exactly oceans - sounds like a witch hunt. Obviously the group were too drunk to be discreet, but in any case who would use the bathroom while 3 people were in there - unless that person had no modesty herself. As far as playing up with colleagues - as Freediver pointed out - this is commonplace amongst many office workers during parties and after parties. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by DonaldTrump on Aug 14th, 2007 at 9:39pm
What a bizarre story.
All three are at fault. And yes... it is strange that only the woman was persecuted. She must have been pretty low/slutty to want two men to have sex with her. Isn't it usually a girl, girl man thing? Sounds like a very disturbed kind of woman. Maybe... she had the sacking coming from numerous other incidents... and this was just the final straw for office management. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by freediver on Aug 20th, 2007 at 12:06pm
The Australian has a big write up about this:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22271789-28737,00.html SINNER or sinned against? Carlie Streeter's successful challenge to being sacked by Telstra over an after-hours sex romp has attracted heavy traffic to online forums, with readers intrigued by the tale of sex, baths and booze. But beyond the salacious detail, the case has important implications for the workplace, reigniting debate about the increasingly hazy line between our work and private lives, and how far employers are allowed, or, in fact, obliged to encroach on after-hours activities. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by sprintcyclist on Aug 20th, 2007 at 12:59pm
Donald - i thought two men was the commonest womens fantasy ?
We'll have to get a woman to answer that one. Apparently it is more often a girl/girl/guy thing. Women are just the social organisers and us guys are a bit shy with another guy there. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by superdupercooper on Aug 20th, 2007 at 1:25pm
Most nice girls would prefer a girl and guy threesome over a guy and guy threesome FACT.
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by oceansblue on Aug 20th, 2007 at 3:42pm superdupercooper wrote on Aug 20th, 2007 at 1:25pm:
from what I know of the female psyche..it is the man +man +woman. Not giving anything away mind you,no reflection on me, an observation from my female friends etc. I dont know if that makes us "nice" women..but just the way it is. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by superdupercooper on Aug 20th, 2007 at 5:49pm
Girls who love to be nailed would prefer 2 guys girls who love sensual pleasure would want a guy and a girl FACT.
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by freediver on Aug 20th, 2007 at 6:13pm
Almost there. ;)
Girls who love 2 guys would prefer 2 guys girls who love a guy and a girl would want a guy and a girl FACT. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by oceansblue on Aug 20th, 2007 at 6:23pm freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2007 at 6:13pm:
Im a girl..so would I not have some credibility here.? Where is all this fact coming from? |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by oceansblue on Aug 20th, 2007 at 6:25pm
Cooper and FD are both males.
And of course the sensual aspect comes from the indivuduals involved..not depending on if your male or female. Males can be just as sensual as females and some more so. Nuff said here for me I think. |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by superdupercooper on Aug 20th, 2007 at 7:09pm
How do you know I am male?
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by oceansblue on Aug 20th, 2007 at 8:01pm superdupercooper wrote on Aug 20th, 2007 at 7:09pm:
I think it was the trippywhippyism..but im right huh? |
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Title: Re: Who's at fault here? Post by superdupercooper on Aug 20th, 2007 at 9:06pm
I have a girly personality and I like girls and fashion.
I am a lesbian or transgender lesbian. |
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