Muslims are convinced that their religion is right...

Yet... they're hit with earthquakes, tidal waves, bombs, plague, their land is in chaos... yet... they stubbornly press on believing that they're right and the rest of the world is wrong.

Jews are convinced they're right...

Yet... they got the holocaust... hundreds of years of persecution... continue to be targetted by Muslim suicide bombers... etc etc... but they still carry on like they're right.


Christians are living comfortably in most countries without severe suffering as much as the Muslims and Jews. We have countries with the highest living standards, best technology and the most liberated nations...

Which begs the question... are Christians favoured by God and is God severely punishing the other two for being complete jerk-offs throughout history?

I'll let you decide.  8-)

BLOODY OATH 8-)

Donald,
Funny, I was thinking of that a few hours ago. On a different scale though.

It was on a more individual scale. And I thought not.
I know and have known christians who are as poor and just as unhappy as anyone else.
Hard to tell on an individual front.  
maybe "christian countries" are better off cause they have real democratic elections, freedom, policing, honesty, reward for effort and perseverence. That sort of stuff.


It would seem ........... unfair, that christians got a better deal, just 'cause of our belief.
One quote that supports this is "The rain shall fall upon the good as well as the wicked."  
Might not be accurate, but the meaning is similar. can find the reference if you want.
The story of "Job" supports this idea too.



My thinking came through a few things said at a church about the supernatural benefits given to tithing that my g/f and I were uncomfortable with.
maybe that is due to our lack of faith. I really don't know.  See, I don't tithe
It is the way some churches put it, and healing too.
As though ALL christians should be wealthy and always healthy.
What if (when) a christian is poor or ill ?  Is that a bad reflection on them ?



Jews are His first chosen.

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Jews are His first chosen.

He chose poorly.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 19^th, 2007 at 9:37pm:

Jews are His first chosen.

I thought he said he'd punish them for all eternity for what they did.

wrote on Jun 19^th, 2007 at 11:05pm:

I don't favour anyone... I couldn't really give a sh*it to tell you the truth. I've had a guts full of you ants bitching and moaning amongst yourselves.

HA HA HA HA! ;D  Very insightfull... DICKHEAD. ;D

wrote on Jun 19^th, 2007 at 11:05pm:

I don't favour anyone... I couldn't really give a sh*it to tell you the truth. I've had a guts full of you ants bitching and moaning amongst yourselves.

This would imply that this 'guest' is a regular poster here..no prizes for guessing who.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jun 19^th, 2007 at 8:59pm:

Christians are living comfortably in most countries without severe suffering as much as the Muslims and Jews. We have countries with the highest living standards, best technology and the most liberated nations... Which begs the question... are Christians favoured by God and is God severely punishing the other two for being complete jerk-offs throughout history? I'll let you decide.  8-)

Interesting topic donaldtrump, but the thing is most religions acknowledge the concept of the afterlife - i.e. life after death, which is supposed to be for all of eternity which is the real reward (not prosperity in this life). As to which religion is correct, who knows, but i don't necessarily see prosperity in the world now as being a sign that God loves us.  

The way alot of religions look at it, is that there more of a trade-off, either God gives u prosperity in this life but punishes you for all of eternity in the afterlife or the reverse occurs - i.e. God punishes u in this life and gives u prosperity for all of eternity in the afterlife.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 19^th, 2007 at 9:37pm:

maybe "christian countries" are better off cause they have real democratic elections

i find that comment via amusing, here's why:
http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1181878710/0

Ausnat and Donald : can't recall He said He would punish them for that.  In a weird way, they did the right thing. What was predicted in the Old testament.  jews sure have had it tough since then.
Is a strange relationship between jews, jesus and christians.
On the cross jesus asked for him to forgive them.


gavin, I have heard of that idea. ie people either get it good here or in the next world.  
     Don't really agree with it. Ones that do well "here" should be more "helpful" in this world than those that are poor.    Would seem  "preset" to bless someone in the spiritual world on the basis they had it tough in this one.  Sort of a "catholic-its-good-to-be-poor" mentality ?

jesus was rich though, as were his followers then. Only having paupers as followers is useless.


I'm happy to agree to disagree with you gavin on genuine democracy, or any other topic.

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Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2007 at 3:27pm: Ausnat and Donald : can't recall He said He would punish them for that.  In a weird way, they did the right thing. What was predicted in the Old testament.  jews sure have had it tough since then. Oh yeah.......... the holohoax. and egyptian slavery ::) [quote]Is a strange relationship between jews, jesus and christians.

Yep..... Juden and goyim.

Gavin wrote on Jun 20^th, 2007 at 8:37am:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jun 19th, 2007 at 8:59pm: Christians are living comfortably in most countries without severe suffering as much as the Muslims and Jews. We have countries with the highest living standards, best technology and the most liberated nations... Which begs the question... are Christians favoured by God and is God severely punishing the other two for being complete jerk-offs throughout history? I'll let you decide.  8-) Interesting topic donaldtrump, but the thing is most religions acknowledge the concept of the afterlife - i.e. life after death, which is supposed to be for all of eternity which is the real reward (not prosperity in this life). As to which religion is correct, who knows, but i don't necessarily see prosperity in the world now as being a sign that God loves us.   The way alot of religions look at it, is that there more of a trade-off, either God gives u prosperity in this life but punishes you for all of eternity in the afterlife or the reverse occurs - i.e. God punishes u in this life and gives u prosperity for all of eternity in the afterlife.

Yeah... true...

But why would God be doing that to them? ....To test their faith?  :P    Pretty bloody harsh test.  ;D


The question is... why is God favouring them? True... the real reward is the afterlife... but why has god singled them out for so long?  ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2007 at 3:27pm:

Ausnat and Donald : can't recall He said He would punish them for that.  In a weird way, they did the right thing. What was predicted in the Old testament.  jews sure have had it tough since then. Is a strange relationship between jews, jesus and christians. On the cross jesus asked for him to forgive them.

Sprint... I'm POSITIVE that somewhere in the New Testament someone said that the Jews would get their just desserts. 'Someone.' Probably not jesus though... he's too pure of heart to say something like that.

Donald - as we will be judged by our deeds, I guess you could say we will ALL get our just deserts !!
Hopefully mine are pretty good .

Jesus gave a few people a good verbal belting, could well have been him. He got stuck into the pharisees big time. And the religious leaders.

In a way, the jews did the correct thing by crucifying him.  
By doing that they fulfilled the prophecies and enabled everyone a way to God.
Gods ways are surely not our ways.

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we will be judged by our deeds, I guess you could say we will ALL get our just deserts !!

IM IN TROUBLE! :o

Sprint, I don't wanna go too in depth about this... why do you think Christians aren't being punished by God as severely as Muslims and Jews?

Cause we live under grace.  


That was an inspired answer Donald. (Inspired means "God breathed.")

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2007 at 8:25pm:

Cause we live under grace.   That was an inspired answer Donald. (Inspired means "God breathed.")

That wasn't an 'inspired' answer... that was an 'I don't know' answer.  :P

Part of the relationship between god and the jews as implemented in law by moses explains that jews suffer on earth for their sins. Jews have a relationship whether they must do as god says and be disciplined if they fail. So when they sin personally the suffer personally and when they sin collectivly they suffer in the same way.

Chrisianity's relationship with god is not one of law like the jews. Christians have a personal relationionship and are not required to follow laws and so are not punished accordingly when they fail. Christians are required to "love god with all their heart, soul, mind and strength" and to "love their neighbour as themselves". Theoretically if you do those two things you will automatically not sin anyway. The downside is if they fail to love god etc they wont have a relationship with him and thus miss out.

muslims i dont know, perhaps they are crazy?

two diffeent ways of parenting. carrot and the stick.

Hi Donald,
How are you ?
This was given for you.


"In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,
in accordance with the riches of Gods grace"

Ephesians 1:7

All the best Donald.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2007 at 11:34pm:

Hi Donald, How are you ? This was given for you. "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of Gods grace" Ephesians 1:7 All the best Donald.

I can always tell when you're upset because you always begin with 'Hi Donald. How are you?'  :P


Sorry mate... it wasn't an insult or anything... I was just teasing.

Sprint is very sweet..he gives love when he feels he's been hurt.

Hi Donald.
How are you ?

Do I really ??  :)

No, I wasn't upset. Say whatever you want here.

I thought that modern  Islam allowed for other religions to be practiced and exist - respected freedom of religion?

hi connie, that wasn't my understanding.
in saudi arabia it is a 2 year jail term for having a Bible.
An english air hostess was kept off that route cause she wanted to wear her cross.
Other beliefs in muslim countries are "strangled" out. Not allowed to build or repair any churches there, have to pay an extra tax. legally have virtually no rights.
Prob a muslim told you that. I had one tell me the koran was like the 3rd testament to the bible !!!

cautious connie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2007 at 7:55pm:

I thought that modern  Islam allowed for other religions to be practiced and exist - respected freedom of religion?

I'm sorry Connie... but you've been extremely misled.


It's actually illegal to practice other religions in Islamic countries... even so-called advanced countries like Saudi Arabia. I think it's quite common in majority Islamic countries to execute an ex-Muslim for converting.

Even if religions are allowed 'by law' (Which I think it is in Turkey) it doesn't mean that Muslims accept it. They use threats, intimidation and other @sshole acts to get them to covert. Peer pressure basically.

It's actually illegal to practice other religions in Islamic countries...

That is incorrect

They use threats, intimidation and other @sshole acts

Sorta like vilification?

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It's actually illegal to practice other religions in Islamic countries... That is incorrect

You're actually right for once IQ...

It's illegal in SOME Islamic countries. Thanks for pointing that out.