What form of religion is it? Hindu- Buddhism

Is it a credible alternative to conventional christianity..?

I have always felt Ive been here before--a much stronger sense when I was a child though.

If I come back again..who do I want to be?

mmm Ill get back to you on that?

Is this OK in your forum Sprint? :)

This is an interesting subject Oceans.  I believe in reincarnation - especially animals reincarnating themselves to get back to you in your lifetime.  I also believe that some people come back as animals to annoy you - and have had a kookaburra and an intimidating lorikeet hang around me for years, reminding me very much of certain relatives who have passed on.

When I was young I used to repeatedly dream that I was in a huge tavern in what appeared the medieval period.  The people were filthy, pigs were running around the place and the whole scenario was very threatening.  The detail is still in my memory.  I often think this is where one of my lives could have ended.

We will never have proof that reincarnation exists.  Incidents occur in our lives that are so familiar and we know we haven't dealt with the same situation in this life,  so it's easy to believe it has happened in an earlier life.

mantra wrote on Jun 16^th, 2007 at 5:51pm:

This is an interesting subject Oceans.  I believe in reincarnation - especially animals reincarnating themselves to get back to you in your lifetime.  I also believe that some people come back as animals to annoy you - and have had a kookaburra and an intimidating lorikeet hang around me for years, reminding me very much of certain relatives who have passed on. When I was young I used to repeatedly dream that I was in a huge tavern in what appeared the medieval period.  The people were filthy, pigs were running around the place and the whole scenario was very threatening.  The detail is still in my memory.  I often think this is where one of my lives could have ended. We will never have proof that reincarnation exists.  Incidents occur in our lives that are so familiar and we know we haven't dealt with the same situation in this life,  so it's easy to believe it has happened in an earlier life.

For some reason once reincarnation is mentioned pple switch off mantra..

But I happen to believe there is something in it.

Small instances of de javu happen to us all.Some of us will admit it some not.,gets into the realm a bit I guess .

Weve thought 'that person seems very familiar and yet I know I havent seen him/her before..I used to think as a kid, Id been to many places that I absolutely havent, was very familiar .. almost comforting feeling.

When I was young I used to repeatedly dream that I was in a huge tavern in what appeared the medieval period.  The people were filthy, pigs were running around the place and the whole scenario was very threatening.  The detail is still in my memory.  I often think this is where one of my lives could have ended.

Did you ever have your dream analysed? Would have been linked to your  everyday life. When I was 6 I hjad a recurring dream that I was hiding in the bushes watching two cartoon ducks, Disney Characters both of them, one was the witch Magica De spell, and they were having tea outside alittle od caravan at night in a pink glow. About the time certain unhappy events were happening in my life so..would have been linked to that for sure..

There si eveidence for reincarnation but not anything you could produce that would convert anyone.

No evidence for the bible either sooo?

I had a re occouring dream too mantra- I remember it like as if it happened.

I was a german soldier in the first world war (helmet had spike on top) running through a valley with lush damp green grass, there was about 5 of us in our unit. we ran across a small stream, up a steep hill to a small stone wall which we took cover behind whilst soldiers in Blue uniforms shot at us from the top of the hill. We went over the wall and took heavy casualties. i climbed back over the wall in retreat, and i was ordered back down the hill to get help. the dream always ended there.

Hi oceans, thanks for posting a thread.
One of my guidelines for this forum is to never delete any spiritual comment.  
Any topic that tosses around the "spiritual ball" is a good topic.

Any limiting of a spiritual forum to a "christian" forum is quite unspiritual, ain't it ?

Think the egyptians and buddhists beleive in reincarnation . Every time you come back according to what you had done, at a higher or lower level. Till you reach enlightenment ?? This is pretty much my guesswork.

mantra - the intimidating lorikeet sounds intriguing .  animals have very humanistic characters.
Sometimes I have been somewhere where it feels I have done it before. Sometimes I think it has been premonination. other times I feel very "at home" in places where I have not been before.

people often turn off when "spiritual" matters are raised.  There is a "blindness" , an "avoidance" I believe.
kids are often more spiritual, free.  

I have heard someone say reincarnation is supported in the Bible. I have not read anything that suggests that, from my memory. People are bought back from the dead in there and since then. But that is different to reincarnation. Where they come back as someone/thing  new .

dreams are analysed in the bible. There is not so much de javu as  predictions of things to come.

I have had premoninations, reasonably oftenish.  
And have had senses of people who have passed away.
One came back to say goodbye and that all was well. . He no longer had any pain. (Always had backache).  Was led by an angel on either arm.
That happened while I was working on a kitchen floor.

Thanks oceans and mantra

ancient egytians believed in an afterlife notr reincarnation...

Aus Nat - those early dreams we have are so real that you can recall them instantly and remember the detail.  There has to be something in that, especially as you are of German ancestry.  

When we have normal dreams we remember very little when we wake up and even a few days later can barely recall what it was about - so how can we explain these very "real" dreams and remember them so many years later?

And sprintcyclist - 11 years ago this intimidating lorikeet appeared to come from nowhere, landed on a nearby tree.  I was sitting on my backstep & next thing she's climbed down walked over to me and jumped on my lap and said "hello".  This is true.  She'd escaped from somewhere (I assume) but not that long after a family member had died.

She's still alive and the most demanding, nuisance animal I've ever come across.  She has escaped 3 times in the last few years, each time been gone for 2 weeks and unbelievably we have gotten her back.  Every time she has escaped I've thought "Thank you God" - but He hasn't listened to me.

Her characteristics are so similar to the deceased person, that it's easy to believe that she's come back as "Lori the Lorikeet"  to haunt me.

mantra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 7:02am:

Aus Nat - those early dreams we have are so real that you can recall them instantly and remember the detail.  There has to be something in that, especially as you are of German ancestry.   When we have normal dreams we remember very little when we wake up and even a few days later can barely recall what it was about - so how can we explain these very "real" dreams and remember them so many years later? And sprintcyclist - 11 years ago this intimidating lorikeet appeared to come from nowhere, landed on a nearby tree.  I was sitting on my backstep & next thing she's climbed down walked over to me and jumped on my lap and said "hello".  This is true.  She'd escaped from somewhere (I assume) but not that long after a family member had died. She's still alive and the most demanding, nuisance animal I've ever come across.  She has escaped 3 times in the last few years, each time been gone for 2 weeks and unbelievably we have gotten her back.  Every time she has escaped I've thought "Thank you God" - but He hasn't listened to me. Her characteristics are so similar to the deceased person, that it's easy to believe that she's come back as "Lori the Lorikeet"  to haunt me.

That a great story about the lorikeet mantra..but there must be something very special about her as you say.

getting off track a bit and I should,nt but, animals have great intuitive powers/skills I believe. Like birds, in the Ind comminity the willy wagtail is seen as a symbol of death...its said that they appear just before deaths in many INd families.

I know and how adorable are willies?

Aus Nats dream must have a meaning with an important message. Yours to mantra..those we remember vividly are remembered for a reason..the subcioncious, if we can listen to it properly and take heed, will tell us all we need to know..dreams are your subconcious attempting to surface and deliver a message you need to apply to your life, on an everyday level and for future paths.

Sorry about ravings, but ive read a little on this. I try to analyse my important dreams, no matter how bizzare.

Pender , the ancient Eygytians were very advanced pples and a culture that fascinates me to be quite honest with you. I soak up everything I can about this  civilisastion. We can learn so much

The Ancient greeks are another.

Cheers mantra and Pender.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16^th, 2007 at 8:03pm:

Hi oceans, thanks for posting a thread. One of my guidelines for this forum is to never delete any spiritual comment.   Any topic that tosses around the "spiritual ball" is a good topic. Any limiting of a spiritual forum to a "christian" forum is quite unspiritual, ain't it ? Think the egyptians and buddhists beleive in reincarnation . Every time you come back according to what you had done, at a higher or lower level. Till you reach enlightenment ?? This is pretty much my guesswork. mantra - the intimidating lorikeet sounds intriguing .  animals have very humanistic characters. Sometimes I have been somewhere where it feels I have done it before. Sometimes I think it has been premonination. other times I feel very "at home" in places where I have not been before. people often turn off when "spiritual" matters are raised.  There is a "blindness" , an "avoidance" I believe. kids are often more spiritual, free.   I have heard someone say reincarnation is supported in the Bible. I have not read anything that suggests that, from my memory. People are bought back from the dead in there and since then. But that is different to reincarnation. Where they come back as someone/thing  new . dreams are analysed in the bible. There is not so much de javu as  predictions of things to come. I have had premoninations, reasonably oftenish.   And have had senses of people who have passed away. One came back to say goodbye and that all was well. . He no longer had any pain. (Always had backache).  Was led by an angel on either arm. That happened while I was working on a kitchen floor. Thanks oceans and mantra

Sprint,

You are wealth of information, a cuppa at your house would never be boring. ;)

Youve been quite around here lately.

Thanks for your welcome to your thread.

How do your premonitions come to you Sprint?

Do they just pop up anytime?

Cheers

Oceans

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those we remember vividly are remembered for a reason..the subcioncious, if we can listen to it properly and take heed, will tell us all we need to know..dreams are your subconcious attempting to surface and deliver a message you need to apply to your life, on an everyday level and for future paths.

This is true Oceans - that's if we can bear to analyse our dreams critically.  Most of the time we forget them, although sometimes if one is particularly colourful or exciting we can try to reflect on its meaning.  

The aboriginals are obviously renowned for their ability to follow "the dreaming" and apply it to their lives.  It has been proved over and over that this has worked for them in earlier times.  It's a pity we aren't in touch more with our dreams - they could certainly give us some direction if we understood them completely .

mantra - good idea to write down bits of the dream as soon as awake. keep a notebook and pencil by bed. I have a particularity good one written down. the more we ... cater to the spiritual world, the more we live in it.  
Some people dismiss every spiritual occurrance immediatley, guess what spiritual life they lead ?  Like one big desert.

oceans, no I am pretty boring guy. most exciting here !!!
prominations crop up when they will. A few times a thought pops in my head "wouldn't it be bad if I dropped this glass "  Still as that thought is echoing in there, it drops and shatters.
A few times I stop immediately and force that thought from my head. Nothing smashes.
I been busy lately, so not here so much.


mantra - thanks for tellin gus about "lori" . birds have fascinating characters. I see them as almost arrogant in their beauty and ability to fly.
you think lori is trying to go, but can't quite get fully away ? Must have been amazing when he spoke to you  !!
funny how some little kids come up to me and "introduce" themselves. Had a wonderful time in a park at a labour day march. Lying on the grass this little 2 year old came up and started to bounce his balloon on me. :-)  was great fun.  I am sure other people were jealous , kids are cool.

ausnat - a repeated dream certainly must have more significance. Much more.

I think the Hari Krisnas believe in reincarnation.

The aboriginals are obviously renowned for their ability to follow "the dreaming" and apply it to their lives.  It has been proved over and over that this has worked for them in earlier times.

Can you give an example mantra?

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 12:47pm:

I think the Hari Krisnas believe in reincarnation. The aboriginals are obviously renowned for their ability to follow "the dreaming" and apply it to their lives.  It has been proved over and over that this has worked for them in earlier times. Can you give an example mantra?

sorry to jump in..

but everyone knows this FD..nothing to 'prove'..


Some things dont require an indepth analysis.

I just wanted an example to know what she was talkiing about.

Examples of aboriginal dreaming freediver :-

The aboriginals have known whether people are alive or dead through their dreams.  They have known where people are located by signs they have received in their dreams.  The reason I assume that this is not so real now to the aboriginals is because many of the elders are dying and the young aboriginal may not be as spiritual as his ancestors.  I could be wrong and if you think otherwise, I would be interested.

There is a lot to read on this - but this is just an extract.


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The Dreaming, or tjukurpa, as it is known to Central Australian Aboriginals, is eternal and is existence itself, in the past, present and future. It is also the explanation of existence, and it is the law which governs behaviour. The Tjukurpa refers to the time of creation of all things, and it is still unfolding alongside present events and is being recreated and celebrated today. Concepts of Space and Time are integral to the understanding of the Dreaming. Aboriginal and Western thought share an interdependency of time and space, but our deep yearning and spiritual search for the elusive "present moment" and "eternal life" seems of no consequence to the Aborigine. For the Aborigines, the present moment and eternity have been physicalized as place. One is alive in the moment by being utterly grounded and centred in space. Aborigines do not perceive space as distance. Space for them is consciousness. All satial relationships in the Dreaming are primarily symbolic. Meaning and information are not transported across distances and time; they are not transported across distances and time; they are an integral part of consciousness expressing itself as spatial order and form. To the Aborigines, the spatial landscape is a perfect symbolic description of the psychic content of humans and of the ancestral forces that created the world. To disturb the earth in any way is to obscure the meaning and history of humanity and reality. Knowledge is shared through resonance in space and time. Meaning, not space and time, connects all things. The Dreaming stories contain, in addition to moral, spiritual and psychic understanding, all kinds of practical information. A story may direct a hunting band to places where the lilies bloom, where turtle eggs hatch, or where wild yams ripen. The clan follows the stories from place to place without a calendar. The Aborigines move through space, and we move through time. Aboriginal stories, be they about life or the Dreaming, focus on place descriptions and spatial directions rather than designations such as when, before or after. Landscape Within as Without In the Dreaming there is no external space separate from the internal. There are no objects or events - be they stars, spaceships, or molecules - separate from the feelings, desires, projections, activities and images of consciousness. 13 The exploration of the vast universe and a knowledge of meaning of creation was experienced through the internal and external knowledge of self. Every land formation and creature, by its very shape and behaviour, implied a hidden meaning; the form of a thing was itself an imprint of the metaphysical or ancestral consciousness that created it, as well as the universal energies that brought about its material manifestation. These aspects of the Dreaming creation myth imply a world in which the metaphysical and physical are held in symbolic integration. The visible and invisible worlds cannot be considered separately. http://www.bri.net.au/livingbysandra.html

thanks mantra, thats really good.
At times when we have been out west on a trip we get into a "different " place.
Is really awful coming back. Entering built up areas, it just feels wrong.
We feel that we both want to go back. We felt cleaner and simpler there.

I was lying down in the bush around ere a whie afo. Aborigines came by speaking in their "burbling creek" tongue. Then they just vanished.  
I saw them, about 6 of them. Looked away, looked up again, gone.

will study your positing later.
going for bike ride soon

take care

mantra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 1:04pm:

Examples of aboriginal dreaming freediver :- The aboriginals have known whether people are alive or dead through their dreams.  They have known where people are located by signs they have received in their dreams.  The reason I assume that this is not so real now to the aboriginals is because many of the elders are dying and the young aboriginal may not be as spiritual as his ancestors.  I could be wrong and if you think otherwise, I would be interested. There is a lot to read on this - but this is just an extract. Quote: The Dreaming, or tjukurpa, as it is known to Central Australian Aboriginals, is eternal and is existence itself, in the past, present and future. It is also the explanation of existence, and it is the law which governs behaviour. The Tjukurpa refers to the time of creation of all things, and it is still unfolding alongside present events and is being recreated and celebrated today. Concepts of Space and Time are integral to the understanding of the Dreaming. Aboriginal and Western thought share an interdependency of time and space, but our deep yearning and spiritual search for the elusive "present moment" and "eternal life" seems of no consequence to the Aborigine. For the Aborigines, the present moment and eternity have been physicalized as place. One is alive in the moment by being utterly grounded and centred in space. Aborigines do not perceive space as distance. Space for them is consciousness. All satial relationships in the Dreaming are primarily symbolic. Meaning and information are not transported across distances and time; they are not transported across distances and time; they are an integral part of consciousness expressing itself as spatial order and form. To the Aborigines, the spatial landscape is a perfect symbolic description of the psychic content of humans and of the ancestral forces that created the world. To disturb the earth in any way is to obscure the meaning and history of humanity and reality. Knowledge is shared through resonance in space and time. Meaning, not space and time, connects all things. The Dreaming stories contain, in addition to moral, spiritual and psychic understanding, all kinds of practical information. A story may direct a hunting band to places where the lilies bloom, where turtle eggs hatch, or where wild yams ripen. The clan follows the stories from place to place without a calendar. The Aborigines move through space, and we move through time. Aboriginal stories, be they about life or the Dreaming, focus on place descriptions and spatial directions rather than designations such as when, before or after. Landscape Within as Without In the Dreaming there is no external space separate from the internal. There are no objects or events - be they stars, spaceships, or molecules - separate from the feelings, desires, projections, activities and images of consciousness. 13 The exploration of the vast universe and a knowledge of meaning of creation was experienced through the internal and external knowledge of self. Every land formation and creature, by its very shape and behaviour, implied a hidden meaning; the form of a thing was itself an imprint of the metaphysical or ancestral consciousness that created it, as well as the universal energies that brought about its material manifestation. These aspects of the Dreaming creation myth imply a world in which the metaphysical and physical are held in symbolic integration. The visible and invisible worlds cannot be considered separately. http://www.bri.net.au/livingbysandra.html

This is a good example of a "Dreaming "explanation Mantra..

I have been remiss..It never occurred to me Freediver would not know what a "Dreaming" was..I only say this because its a part of Australias culture and is quiet common knowledge for the average Aussie.

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Aus Nats dream must have a meaning with an important message. Yours to mantra..those we remember vividly are remembered for a reason..the subcioncious, if we can listen to it properly and take heed, will tell us all we need to know..dreams are your subconcious attempting to surface and deliver a message you need to apply to your life, on an everyday level and for future paths.

Hmmm, like never to turn my back on a problem, or be more tenacious.

Ausnat wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 6:51pm:

Quote: Aus Nats dream must have a meaning with an important message. Yours to mantra..those we remember vividly are remembered for a reason..the subcioncious, if we can listen to it properly and take heed, will tell us all we need to know..dreams are your subconcious attempting to surface and deliver a message you need to apply to your life, on an everyday level and for future paths. Hmmm, like never to turn my back on a problem, or be more tenacious.

Most likely something very like that. Ill take a look when I get more time. :)

Thanks. :)

excellent "ravings" oceans.

please "rave" again whenever you feel inclined to.  Just open a thread and "go".
Whenever you want, about whatever you want.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 7:25pm:

excellent "ravings" oceans. please "rave" again whenever you feel inclined to.  Just open a thread and "go". Whenever you want, about whatever you want.

Thanks Sprint,

If I get the urge I will..you run a very tidy ship here. So ill keep it clean. :)

the above post is confusing now on a second read...Sprint? "rave"..

?

Posted in the wrong one.

hi oceans, I meant it is a great thread you posted, edivenced by the interest it gathered .
One of your earlier postings you said it was a "rave".
I meant it in an encouraging manner.

Post whatever you want, well done.

ok..

thats fine..will get to ANs dream soon..Tomorrow.

Yes im interested to know.

Still heard nothing..........