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Youths stabbed in raid THREE people were stabbed when a gang of youths, armed with knives, raided their home in Fitzroy, and a fight broke out. Yarra City councillor Stephen Jolly said violence was common. "Clashes between Sudanese youth and the more established Vietnamese youth are commonplace," he said. http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21642002-2862,00.html

Something which needs to be considered is 'what caused this?'

Was it:
A) Multiculturalism
B) Just plain racism and stupidity.

This seems to be a consistent pattern with new poor immigrants. I suspect the youths feel insecure which is why they form gangs. Back when we had mostly European immigrants, they formed gangs and beat each other too. Then the Chinese started arriving so they joined forces to beat them up. It always seems to settle down eventually.

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It always seems to settle down eventually.

Excuse me? There are plenty of cases to prove otherwise.

Are there any in Australia?

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30^th, 2007 at 7:05pm:

Quote: Youths stabbed in raid THREE people were stabbed when a gang of youths, armed with knives, raided their home in Fitzroy, and a fight broke out. Yarra City councillor Stephen Jolly said violence was common. "Clashes between Sudanese youth and the more established Vietnamese youth are commonplace," he said. http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21642002-2862,00.html This type of thing is not uncommon--Wasnt able to read link sorry.  Oceans_blue Something which needs to be considered is 'what caused this?' Was it: A) Multiculturalism B) Just plain racism and stupidity.

apolagies for the intext mistake-- :-[

What causes this ?

I vote for lack of education and poverty.

The both are the same.

freediver wrote on Apr 30^th, 2007 at 7:23pm:

Are there any in Australia?

Well, for starters, Freediver, try the Vietnamese community.

They should be going on their third generation right now shouldn't they?


Furthermore, at what generation do you expect things to 'calm down?' 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th?

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Wasnt able to read link sorry. Oceans_blue

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21642002-2862,00.html

Try it again Oceans.

I'd assume most of the vietnamese immigrant communities have blended in. For all I know these could be recent immigrants.

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I'd assume most of the vietnamese immigrant communities have blended in. For all I know these could be recent immigrants.

I'd say most Vietnamese are part of a fairly established community in Australia. And very few are newbies.

And if you read the news report carefully:


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Clashes between Sudanese youth and the more established Vietnamese youth are commonplace

It suggests that this was an established Vietnamese community.


And take it from someone who knows the Asian community fairly well, freediver...
-Of all the Asian communities (East Asian) in Australia, the Vietnamese ranks among the most troublesome and least adapted.

Being more established than another recent immigrant group doesn't really say a lot about how long they have been here.

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Being more established than another recent immigrant group doesn't really say a lot about how long they have been here.

Oh my gosh, freediver, how picky do you want to be?

It's well-known in Melbourne that the Vietnamese community have been here at the very least, two generations. Whereas, the newly arrived Africans are at their first generation.

freediver wrote on Apr 30^th, 2007 at 7:23pm:

Are there any in Australia?

1. Cabramatta / Fairfield / Mt Pritchard

2. Lakemba / Bankstown / Canterbury

3. Blacktown / Doonside / Mt Druitt

and other areas in sydney.

Funny how this sort of thing gets ignored if there aren't 'ethics' involved:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21952830-2702,00.html

THEY impose strict discipline, operate under rigid rules, demand fanatical loyalty, live by a code of honour and deal ruthlessly with outside threats.
They are, in the words of one senior detective, "frighteningly like the police, except their motives are different".

It is the military-style structures of outlaw motorcycle gangs -- a legacy from their establishment in the US following World War II by ex-servicemen looking for the sort of camaraderie they had in the armed services. It is what makes them so effective and so hard for law enforcement authorities to penetrate.

"It is frightening when you look at the way they operate, their hierarchical structure, their constitutions and their rules," says the head of Western Australia's organised crime division, Superintendent Kim Porter.

"They have rules that are like the army and the police. As a consequence, they are hard to deal with. They also have an attitude of 'we don't care if we go to jail'."

This week's national manhunt for Hells Angel Christopher Wayne Hudson, who was wanted over a shooting in Melbourne that left one dead and two seriously wounded, focused attention on outlaw motorcycle gangs and their increasing involvement in organised crime. Mr Hudson, 29, surrendered after the Melbourne chapters of the Hells Angels refused to extend him protection. He has been charged with murdering 43-year-old father of three Brendan Keilar and attempting to murder model Kara Douglas, 24, and 25-year-old Dutch backpacker Paul de Waard.

The growing threat posed by bikie gangs and the best way to defeat it is being investigated by a federal parliamentary committee on organised crime. It was during one of the committee's recent hearings in Perth that Superintendent Porter spelt out the difficulties confronting police.

But it is the move by the gangs into legitimate businesses, such as nightclubs, bars, security and transport, that is posing new problems for authorities. It is believed some of the legitimate businesses being established are being used to launder profits from criminal activities.

A confidential intelligence dossier on bikie clubs prepared in the 1990s revealed how they reached agreement on carving up the profits from crime. According to the report, a summit of the most powerful clubs was held in Sydney in 1994 to "limit and control the amount of competition".

"Where minor gang entities exist, they were either to be chartered or absorbed by takeover, or eliminated completely, often through extreme violence, (including) homicide through shootings and bombings," the report says. "There would be a maximum of six gangs controlling Australia by the year 2000."

ok forget viets and sudanese, for a moment.

what about more afluent ethnic groups like serbs and croats that always end up fighting each other at sporting events etc, soccer and even tennis?

is this also related to their recent immigration or perhaps their low incomes?

considering they are now in their 3rd generation i doubt it's because of recent arrival, and as i said earlier they are not poor. perhaps they should have thrown away these cultural hatreds and embarced australian ideas.

and ausnat the philo communities in blacktown are cool :D

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2007 at 7:35pm:

Funny how this sort of thing gets ignored if there aren't 'ethics' involved:

Ignored by whom, freediver? The media, the general public, or the bigots like me?

All three. If it was the lebs and asians dividing up our criminal market, it would have made the front page.

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2007 at 10:50am:

All three.

What a predictable answer from the likes of you.

viets are always gang fighting with lebs where i live, no one blinks an eyelid especilly the media.\

alot of em i am mates with  :P

Classic Liberal wrote on Jun 25^th, 2007 at 5:54pm:

viets are always gang fighting with lebs where i live, no one blinks an eyelid especilly the media.\ alot of em i am mates with  :P

Thats a truth.

In the viets and lebs fights, is the damage kept "within" those groups ?
Similar to the bikies (generally).
If neither side make any complaints/charges, is hard for the cops to do anything ??

Not if they are fighting over control of organised crime.

the usually fight cuz one leb called one viet gay
then the viet bashed him,
then the lebs cousins come
thus gang war

I think that at least in Australia, you need something more than mutual aid and defence to motivate people to join gangs, such as profit from illegal activities.

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/States-fed-govt-to-tackle-outlaw-bikies/2007/06/28/1182624069662.html

A crackdown on outlaw bikie gangs has moved a step closer with the states and federal governments agreeing to set up a working group to examine changes to the law.

Federal Justice Minister David Johnston on Thursday said the states and territories, and New Zealand, had reached an agreement with the commonwealth to establish the group during a police ministers' meeting in Wellington.

"We are not looking at attacking middle-aged groups of men who drive motorbikes for enjoyment. We are looking at bringing an end to the organised crime perpetuated by outlaw motorcycle gangs," he said in a statement.

"Currently, the Australian government, the states and the territories have different systems for dealing with gangs and clearly this is not having enough impact on reducing organised crime."

The working group would examine "criminal organisation" offences which exist in Europe and North America and draw on lessons their law enforcement agencies had learned, Senator Johnston said.