Smh 9/3/07.

Every child in Australia should learn mandarin(chinese) or bahasa indonesia until year 12, Amanda Vanstone believes.
A minister for 11 years until january, senator vanstone said a nation wide language program would benefit australia for generations.
''If i was in charge of australia,i would ensure that every child from year 1 was either learning mandarin or bahasa. There would be no way around it,and they would learn it all the way through school, otherwise  they just wouldnt progress."

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I doubt that female dog will be taken seriously on this issue.

If she does... god help us.  :o

Kids need a choice what language to learn... not forced upon them due to political correctness.

It has given more weight to my indonesian/chinese invasion theory.
She wants our Australian children to be collaborators.
Surrender before they even mobilise.

We already learn Italian, Greek, German, French or some other european language. Whats wrong with learning something more Geopolitically relevant? I think its a good policy  :-?

When I was in grade 3 in Adelaide we had a choice of Greek or Italian class. In high school in Brisbane it was German or Chinese (I think).

But making it compulsory thats just wrong. >:(
Only a small number of Australians will go to indonesia or china in their lifetimes.

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But making it compulsory thats just wrong.   Only a small number of Australians will go to indonesia or china in their lifetimes.

Here, here.

wrote on Mar 11^th, 2007 at 6:45pm:

But making it compulsory thats just wrong. >:( Only a small number of Australians will go to indonesia or china in their lifetimes.

Its already compulsory that was my point, it was compulsory to learn a language when I was at school and it still is today. Seeing as it is compulsory why not make it relevant. A large number of Australians are likely to do business with Indonesians or Chinese in their lives is the way I see it.

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Its already compulsory that was my point, it was compulsory to learn a language when I was at school and it still is today. Seeing as it is compulsory why not make it relevant. A large number of Australians are likely to do business with Indonesians or Chinese in their lives is the way I see it.

Hmm... I guess you're right in a way. It's been a while since I've been in primary and early high school.

But I still think it's harsh to force kids to speak Asian languages.

It was compulsory in yr7 and 8 for me, i learned a bit of Deutsch.  But after that in yr 9 it was no-longer
compulsory and so i chose another subject.
But making it compulsory from yr1 to year 12 thats wrong.
Forcing young Australian boys and girls to learn another language in an ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRY is multiculturism at its worse.
At least by the time they've reached yr 7,8,9 they can make the decision themselves if they want to continue or not, they choose to pursue an ''Exotic language'' or a European language should they elect to.
Im glad she was thrown out of office, and ive heard that all the states dissaprove of her idea.

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But making it compulsory from yr1 to year 12 thats wrong.

Yep. That's wrong.



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Forcing young Australian boys and girls to learn another language in an ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRY is multiculturism at its worse.

It's a multiculturalism policy to teach a language in schools with the highest minority ethnic group in the area. For example, if there are large quantities of Italians in my area, they teach Italian in the schools. If there are large amounts of Arabic people in the neighbourhood, they teach Arabic. This policy I strongly dislike and I think it's disgusting.

Then why wasnt i forced to learn Arabic or Vietnamese???

Oh thats right, there wasnt many arabs or gooks around when i was in year 7!
How fast they must breed.

wrote on Mar 11^th, 2007 at 10:37pm:

It was compulsory in yr7 and 8 for me, i learned a bit of Deutsch.  But after that in yr 9 it was no-longer compulsory and so i chose another subject. But making it compulsory from yr1 to year 12 thats wrong. Forcing young Australian boys and girls to learn another language in an ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRY is multiculturism at its worse. At least by the time they've reached yr 7,8,9 they can make the decision themselves if they want to continue or not, they choose to pursue an ''Exotic language'' or a European language should they elect to. Im glad she was thrown out of office, and ive heard that all the states dissaprove of her idea.

Scared of multiculturalism are we? I agree language should not be compulsory for the whole duration but I'm all for asian languages replacing Eurpoean ones.

Australia... since white settlement... has always been... and always will be... multicultural! Don't like it? Move back to England... oh wait, they are multicultural too! Ameraica? Nope. Europe? nope! Get with the program guys, it is 2007, race means nothing anymore. My grandparents were WW2 immigrants from eastern Europe, I'm glad for it!

I think it is a good idea. You don't have to invoke multiculturalism. It makes good business sense. We have to face the fact that we will always be a small player in a large SE Asian market, and one that already stands out like a sore thumb. We don't want to be relying on the people we do business with to know our language. That puts us at a big disadvantage.

I learnt German in high school and I am very glad that I did. My only concern is that these other languages are far harder to learn, especially Chinese. German is about as close as you can get to English while still being a different language. If students don't make much progress they won't be as motivated.

i think learning an Asian language is a good idea, but i don't think it should be made compulsory since not everyone intends to trade in SE Asian markets. People should only learn the language if they genually want to learn it.  

from my own perspective, i was made to learn french at school, the only benefit i got out of it was learning a few french words. it would have been beneficial if i moved to franch, but that's not going to happen, so my french lessons were pretty much a waste of time.

You can make the same argument about most subjects, especially when you move on to high school. You cannot tell as a child what the world will be like and what sort of business you will be in in 20 years time.

The first few years should be compulsory, and then further study in high school elective, just like everything else.

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 9:41am:

You can make the same argument about most subjects, especially when you move on to high school. You cannot tell as a child what the world will be like and what sort of business you will be in in 20 years time. The first few years should be compulsory, and then further study in high school elective, just like everything else.

that's what we're saying, but Vanstone was saying we should learn an Asian language right up to Year 12 (i.e. to make it compulsory).

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Australia... since white settlement... has always been... and always will be... multicultural! Don't like it? Move back to England... oh wait, they are multicultural too! Ameraica? Nope. Europe? nope! Get with the program guys, it is 2007, race means nothing anymore. My grandparents were WW2 immigrants from eastern Europe, I'm glad for it!

I firmly reject your view of the world in every way, zoso.

1) Multiculturalism has little to nothing to do with race. It's separate CULTURES living within other cultures that's the core of societies problems. If you're talking about multiracialism, that's a different story.
2) My parents and grandparents were from Eastern Europe too. What's your point?
3) Can't we AT LEAST have one multiculticulturalism-free country? If people are so 'FOR' diversity, then why are they encouraging the mixing, hence destruction of cultures? To be quite honest with you, I LOVE the idea of travelling to 'different world's' each time I go on holiday.

Zoso, i recall you telling me you are of irish descent............ ::)

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I firmly reject your view of the world in every way, zoso.

Bloody oath.

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My parents and grandparents were from Eastern Europe too. What's your point?

Mine too zoso


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Can't we AT LEAST have one multiculticulturalism-free country? If people are so 'FOR' diversity, then why are they encouraging the mixing, hence destruction of cultures? To be quite honest with you, I LOVE the idea of travelling to 'different world's' each time I go on holiday.

DT, you've done it again! :) :) :) :)

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 10:49am:

1) Multiculturalism has little to nothing to do with race. It's separate CULTURES living within other cultures that's the core of societies problems. If you're talking about multiracialism, that's a different story.

No, we are and have always been multicultural. We have differing youth cultures, differing adult cultures. Do you like to mix with the homosexual culture? Do you want them to mix with the white collar 'beer at the local after work' culture? I come from an 'alternative' cultural background, I grew up around hippies, still live in hippie country. Lets see... there is petrol head culture, wine tasting culture, sports culture, sailing culture, music culture (breaking down into hip hop, metal, alternative rock, dance... these groups don't mix a great deal you know!)... There has been CHRISTIAN culture and wait for it... Jewish, Islamic, Hindu and Budhist culture (many of these arrive during the gold rush!). There has always been many cultures in this society, some more: convict culture, sheerers culture, stockmans culture and upper class snob culture, aboriginal culture, farmers culture, urban culture suburban culture. Many of these groups are insular, many of them are not, but the diversity is beauty. In case you haven't yet realised, not every single person in this country lives in the suburbs, cooks snags on the barbie and swills beer while wearing a blue singlet and partaking in the local vernacular. And you wouldn't want to live in a society which did! Seriously!

This is just "oh noes, she's wearing a black veil, protect my cultural significance" xenophobic paranoia. Right now its the Muslims, but what next, the Jews? the wharfies? homosexuals? Look around you, everywhere different types of people are doing different things with their lives, mixing with their own little groups and maintaining divisions across society. This is and always will be the norm.

Look I don't know why you would want to live in a bland society of one single culture in the first place? This is the goal of the islamists! It was the goal of the Nazis and the Stalinists! Respect our diversity and the colour it brings with it! if a culture is obeying the law, and not harrassing others then they are more than welcome here. And 'the core of societies problems' is much more complex than simple cultural division, if thats what you think mate then you are completely out of touch.

wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 10:56am:

Zoso, i recall you telling me you are of irish descent............ ::)

Um this is scary because well I am of Irish descent! But I've never mentioned that around this place! How the hell did you know that??

If you would like to know I am Irish, Welsh, Polish and Latvian. My grandfather fought against the invading Russians in Latvia during the war, and yes that means he fought on Hitlers side...  ;)  

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 10:49am:

I firmly reject your view of the world in every way, zoso.

Ooh I like it when people do that! At least if I can challenge your views, and you come out believing in them even stronger then you are a man of substance :)

It also means that when I am eventually (and inevitably) proven right then I can laugh at you too  ;D (just kidding...)

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Um this is scary because well I am of Irish descent! But I've never mentioned that around this place! How the hell did you know that??

You must have been stoned when you said it. ;D


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If you would like to know I am Irish, Welsh, Polish and Latvian. My grandfather fought against the invading Russians in Latvia during the war, and yes that means he fought on Hitlers side...  ;)

So was my grandfather and great grandfather. They were in op Barbarossa and in stalingrad.
Ive written about it before.

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"This is just "oh noes, she's wearing a black veil, protect my cultural significance" xenophobic paranoia. Right now its the Muslims, but what next, the Jews? the wharfies? homosexuals? Look around you, everywhere different types of people are doing different things with their lives, mixing with their own little groups and maintaining divisions across society. This is and always will be the norm. "
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Your right zoso..at the moment we get to hate muslims, because its 'in'...But off times just for a change we go back to bash the 'abos's'..its a very predictable formula. Seems like we always need a punching bag in the form of an ostracised  group to make validate ourselves, which in the end only shows the worst of us and never the best.

I get very impatient with all the Muslim bashing, and any bashing come to that ..we are no better than anyone else.

Not saying any of these races are perfect and may unfortunately draw attention to themselves which invites this bash mentality, but then if we look for one second into our own 'backyard ' we can always find the same flaws that others could attack us with.


Theres nothing wrong with learning a language , it should be an elective though, I agree.

Multiculturalism is here to stay..we need to get used to the fact.


What if your son or daughter married a Muslim man or woman?  You would then have to accept the differences .

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There has been CHRISTIAN culture and wait for it... Jewish, Islamic, Hindu and Budhist culture (many of these arrive during the gold rush!).

In tiny numbers i might add- exept the chinese.


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In case you haven't yet realised, not every single person in this country lives in the suburbs, cooks snags on the barbie and swills beer while wearing a blue singlet and partaking in the local vernacular. And you wouldn't want to live in a society which did! Seriously!

I love that! seriously!



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Look I don't know why you would want to live in a bland society of one single culture in the first place?

It makes stable society.


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This is the goal of the islamists!

Would you rather live under shariah law?
Or our Law.


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It was the goal of the Nazis and the Stalinists!

What do you know about them?


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Respect our diversity and the colour it brings with it!

Gang rapes, Gangs, Drugs, Riots, Division, Hatred, filth, Loss of identity....etc



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if a culture is obeying the law, and not harrassing others then they are more than welcome here.

Agreed.


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And 'the core of societies problems' is much more complex than simple cultural division, if thats what you think mate then you are completely out of touch.

Watch the news sometime, look at each ethnicity, who is causing all the crime?


Is this you?

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I get very impatient with all the Muslim bashing, and any bashing come to that ..we are no better than anyone else.

Then you like the literal pic below! ;D



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Theres nothing wrong with learning a language , it should be an elective though, I agree.

Me too. that was my point.


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Multiculturalism is here to stay..we need to get used to the fact.

No we dont.



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What if your son or daughter married a Muslim man or woman?  You would then have to accept the differences .

I would expell him/her from my family.

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wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 4:04pm:

In tiny numbers i might add- exept the chinese.

So you agree with me apart from the details? Well, sub-cultures are sub-cultures.


wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 4:04pm:

I love that! seriously!

^^ this comment... is in direct contradiction with this comment:


wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 4:04pm:

It makes stable society.

Demonstrate some consistency and you may give the impression that your opinions are well thought out...


wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 4:04pm:

Would you rather live under shariah law? Or our Law.

I prefer our law, the one which approves of multiculturalism and allows it to be free and propagate. Forgetting Howards fear mongering, our law does not prohibit sub-cultures within our society. I outlined clearly just a few of them that already exist...

What you are suggesting sounds much closer to sharia law than what we currently have.


wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 4:04pm:

What do you know about them?

That it was their goal to inhibit cultural diversity  ::)


wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 4:04pm:

Gang rapes, Gangs, Drugs, Riots, Division, Hatred, filth, Loss of identity....etc

An end to multiculturalism would not end all of this. You do not see the truth in the world if this is what you think.



wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 4:04pm:

Agreed.

So what is your problem again?


wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 4:04pm:

Watch the news sometime, look at each ethnicity, who is causing all the crime?

People perhaps? If you go looking for evidence of some preconceived belief you will find it: if you think it exists you will make it exist by selecting only the evidence that supports your opinion. And I can see clearly that you don't hold a fair and balanced opinion.


wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 4:04pm:

Is this you?

Oh FFS, I knew I shouldn't have mentioned the word hippy. Stupid me for thinking I might be conversing with mature adults.

I don't attend protests, I can't stand protesters. I have many hippy friends but I can't stand their ignorance when it comes to reality, great friends who I will always stand up for by the way. I am not a hippy mate, I drive a V8 holden, I listen to metal and I'm studying mechanical engineering, you do the math. I said I am from a hippy background and I live in a hippy area, to illustrate my point about sub-cultures. I guess when the world is black and white and all children grow up to become their parents then you could be forgiven for thinking I'm a hippy (my parents weren't actually hippies either, but hey lets all just judge each other).

I guess we can't just assume individuals aren't merely children playing with daddys computer on the internet now can we...

Ausgirl, thank you. I'm sorry if I was a bit harsh in your thread but thats just me, I'm overly opinionated :)

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Oh FFS, I knew I shouldn't have mentioned the word hippy. Stupid me for thinking I might be conversing with mature adults.

Oh, that hurt man quit harshin me  ;D


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I don't attend protests, I can't stand protesters.

well you got something there!


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I am not a hippy mate, I drive a V8 holden, I listen to metal and I'm studying mechanical engineering

Good.



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I guess we can't just assume individuals aren't merely children playing with daddys computer on the internet now can we...

We could, how long did it take you to get permission off daddy?


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I'm overly opinionated

just like me. im sure we could be friends. ;)

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No, we are and have always been multicultural.

Since when?  :-?
1975?



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We have differing youth cultures, differing adult cultures. Do you like to mix with the homosexual culture? Do you want them to mix with the white collar 'beer at the local after work' culture? Lets see... there is petrol head culture, wine tasting culture, sports culture, sailing culture, music culture (breaking down into hip hop, metal, alternative rock, dance... these groups don't mix a great deal you know!)... There has always been many cultures in this society, some more: convict culture, sheerers culture, stockmans culture and upper class snob culture, aboriginal culture, farmers culture, urban culture suburban culture. Many of these groups are insular, many of them are not, but the diversity is beauty. In case you haven't yet realised, not every single person in this country lives in the suburbs, cooks snags on the barbie and swills beer while wearing a blue singlet and partaking in the local vernacular. And you wouldn't want to live in a society which did! Seriously!

Jesus Christ.  ::)

Do you understand the definition of 'multiculturalism?' It refers to 'National' cultures... not 'sub-cultures' created within an already existing society. That's a completely different thing you're referring to. By your definition, ANYTHING can be considered 'multiculturalism.' This is rubbish. Multiculturalism is a word to describe cultures from different nationalities existing 'peacefully' in the same place.



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I come from an 'alternative' cultural background, I grew up around hippies, still live in hippie country.

I now see where you get your 'interesting' views from.  ::)



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There has been CHRISTIAN culture and wait for it... Jewish, Islamic, Hindu and Budhist culture (many of these arrive during the gold rush!).

And then they disappeared after the Gold Rush and didn't reappear for another 90 years (Apart from Jewish). Yeah... great... BIG IMPACT.  :P



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This is just "oh noes, she's wearing a black veil, protect my cultural significance" xenophobic paranoia. Right now its the Muslims, but what next, the Jews? the wharfies? homosexuals? Look around you, everywhere different types of people are doing different things with their lives, mixing with their own little groups and maintaining divisions across society. This is and always will be the norm.

Groovy maaaaaan.

Why do politics forums always attract the hippies?  ::)



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Look I don't know why you would want to live in a bland society of one single culture in the first place?

Mate, seriously, if you want to live in another culture, go overseas.

In the meantime, let us live peacefully in our mono-cultural society.



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This is the goal of the islamists!

So why are you so insistent on letting them in?  :-?



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It was the goal of the Nazis and the Stalinists!

Or was it?  :-?



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Respect our diversity and the colour it brings with it! if a culture is obeying the law, and not harrassing others then they are more than welcome here.

No.



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And 'the core of societies problems' is much more complex than simple cultural division, if thats what you think mate then you are completely out of touch.

Did I ever say that it was the  'core of societies problems?' Or are you putting words into my mouth? I couldn't be bothered reading through what I said.

I think your 'out of touch' for thinking that 'multiculturalism' creates more 'benefits' than 'negatives,' and that all 'cultures' create a 'beautiful' and 'better' society. To me, this is a silly, nieve, ignorant and above all, irresponsible way to think.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

Jesus Christ.  ::) Do you understand the definition of 'multiculturalism?' It refers to 'National' cultures...

So I'm wrong for suggesting you were talking about different ethnic cultures, no thats 'multiracialism' then I'm wrong for talking about sub-cultures, no thats not multiculturalism either... My argument is that the two are the same thing. Define culture?! It is what we do, how we do it and who we do it with. In this sense there is no difference between differing ethnic cultures and differing sub-cultures no matter what the textbook definition of multiculturalism is, a violent neo-nazi group poses as much threat to us as a violent islamist group, this is my point. Face it, you can't even define what 'Australian' culture is in the first place, it's all borrowed from other countries!

Divisions exist in our society, and they always will. With the attitude that you hold, if there were no ethnic cultures to pick on you would find some other group in our society to take issue with and nothing would be different. I am not advocating a Muslim takeover, I am arguing that if small groups of Arabs want to practice their religion then there is no law in this country stopping them. I am also arguing that we are far from being in danger of some ethnic takeover! They are more in danger of losing their culture as their children grow up and adopt ours.


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

I now see where you get your 'interesting' views from.  ::)

This has nothing to do with anything. My views are so far removed from any hippy I know that your point is meaningless. Try telling a hippy to embrace the free market!


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

And then they disappeared after the Gold Rush and didn't reappear for another 90 years (Apart from Jewish). Yeah... great... BIG IMPACT.  :P

Fair call, but my point stands.


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

Groovy maaaaaan. Why do politics forums always attract the hippies?  ::)

I am not a goddamn hippy you idiot. Come down here and say that to my face and I'll knock you for six. Now can we be friends? :)


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

Mate, seriously, if you want to live in another culture, go overseas. In the meantime, let us live peacefully in our mono-cultural society.

We don't have a mono cultural society, never have never will. I'm quite happy living in the Australian culture thanks, and I'm all for it remaining the dominant one.


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

So why are you so insistent on letting them in?  :-?

Because I have no paranoid fear of some cultural takeover. We are obliged to accept refugees and immigrants into our country, we cannot pick and choose which cultures we accept. I'm afraid our government and our legal system is on my side on this one.


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

Or was it?  :-?

Cultural diversity was threatening to both the belief structures of the Nazis and the Stalinists, hence both systematically destroyed anything of cultural significance to stamp it out. Mono-culture was an important part of both sytems. Of course this was not the sole and primary goal of either system.


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

No.

You are the one here who's views are not in line with the laws and policies of this country. You are the one who is going to be whingeing about this 'problem' for years to come.


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

Did I ever say that it was the  'core of societies problems?' Or are you putting words into my mouth? I couldn't be bothered reading through what I said.

Aussie Nationalist may have said that I'm not sure right now :)


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

I think your 'out of touch' for thinking that 'multiculturalism' creates more 'benefits' than 'negatives,' and that all 'cultures' create a 'beautiful' and 'better' society. To me, this is a silly, nieve, ignorant and above all, irresponsible way to think.

I think when it comes down to it we don't have very different views at all, except that you seem to want to live in a bland mono-cultural society, which we don't have today and never will have in the future. But I'll accept that you are most likely pushing a point for the sake of the argument.

You seem paranoid of a cultural takeover, while I am so confident in the strengths of our own culture that I am sure it will remain the dominant one. If I understand what you are saying, and I agreed with you about the danger of our culture being wiped out, I would think you have a fair position, albeit a rather heartless one. The thing is I simply don't agree that we are in danger of losing our culture.

If you want the more heartless and honest interpretation of my views: So long as 'Australian' culture, or 'western' culture remains the dominant culture in Australia, I see no problem with smaller ethnic groups existing as sub-cultures within our society. Provided they respect our laws and don't try to change things. I know they appear to be *trying* but the day I see there is any danger of us losing our ways then I might consider that you have a point.

I said it before and I'll say it again: the radical elements of Muslim community are a minority within a minority. A vocal but utterly powerless minority. They are also all old men who grew up in poorly educated and oppressive places. They will whither and die without having made a single bit of change to our country and their young will grow up to embrace our ways. By demonising them you bring attention to them that they do not deserve, and you make a good case for young Muslims to join their cause byisolating them. You will inevitably create the problem you are fearful of.

The family first party is a good example of a dangerous vocal christian minority group within our country that has achieved the tiniest bit of political power. Mark my words, if those clowns were at the helm there would be ignorant policies similar to what you would see under Muslim leadership, perhaps not so extreme but they would be trying to change our culture none the less. They are far more dangerous to our culture than the Muslims right now,why not direct your fear that way?

Now rather than demonise a minority group within our society, you should work hard at assimilating them in a positive way. Let them know you don't fear them, they shouldn't fear you and they should really just get a job and go buy some stuff. First you must accept that no country has ever succeeded at ridding themselves of ethnic minorities, none ever, and those that come close quickly turn on other types of cultural minority. There is a pattern here, it is blind and baseless fear of losing your culture. It isn't about to happen! You seem smart enough and clued up on history enough to at least realise this fact. Look at the USA, utterly overwhelmed by South Americans, an ethnic cultural minority orders of magnitude bigger than what we have here. Do you see their dominant culture changing?

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The family first party is a good example of a dangerous vocal christian minority group within our country that has achieved the tiniest bit of political power. Mark my words, if those clowns were at the helm there would be ignorant policies similar to what you would see under Muslim leadership, perhaps not so extreme but they would be trying to change our culture none the less.

Thats true but........


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They are far more dangerous to our culture than the Muslims right now,why not direct your fear that way?

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.
How could Family 1st possibly be worse than el-hilalys islamic party?


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Now rather than demonise a minority group within our society, you should work hard at assimilating them in a positive way.

THEY DONT WANT TO. Zoso, how many muslims live around you? Have you ever worked with them?



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Look at the USA, utterly overwhelmed by South Americans, an ethnic cultural minority orders of magnitude bigger than what we have here. Do you see their dominant culture changing?

HA HA HA HA HA HA ;D      Thats funny. you ever been to L.A?

I've been to LA. The dominant culture is not changing. They just have lots of good mexican food.

wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:48pm:

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY. How could Family 1st possibly be worse than el-hilalys islamic party?

Firstly this is not a Christian nation. We have a lot of Christian influence but we do not look upon ANY religious influence in our government positively. We are a secular society that allows freedom of any religion. As an agnostic person myself, who is a proud Aussie and a part of Aussie culture, I am personally affronted by the notion of faith based policies on government. A large percentage of this country is agnostic and would side with me on this one. We have many freedoms that Christians would love to get rid of, just look how Tony Abbot was overwhelmingly knocked down by two conscience votes on Christian faith based policies last year in parliment alone.

Secondly, FF is more dangerous because they actually hold political power, no Muslim party has any political power in this country and I doubt they ever will. I did not say they are necessarily worse but more dangerous. I said they will persue similar faith based agendas aimed at changing parts of our culture, freedom of choice for pregnant women springs to mind. Even so, I do not particularly fear them, my point is you whine about one *powerless* extreme group and ignore others that are right in front of your eyes.


wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:48pm:

THEY DONT WANT TO. Zoso, how many muslims live around you? Have you ever worked with them?

I have had plenty of experience with Muslims all the time. They are by and large normal people who are an integral part of our culture, just like most Christians, Hindus Budhists and Jews.

Tell me, if a Muslim does not wear any viel, does not speak openly about their faith, does not try to vocally push any agenda in the public eye, how do you know they are Muslim? Do you see my point here? You see a few vocal Muslims and yet I bet a vast majority of silent Muslims walk by you every day. You take the comments of a vocal minority and project them onto the whole group. Poor logic my friend. You are fearful of a vocal and powerless minority. Are you afraid of protesting hippies taking control of the nation? Because there is another vocal and powerless minority.


wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:48pm:

HA HA HA HA HA HA ;D      Thats funny. you ever been to L.A?

I have not been to America, but my brother lived there from the age of 3 until last year. I think I have a good enough idea of what America is like and I cannot see an ethnic minority (fast becoming a majority) taking over their culture. Quite contrarily, they South Americans seem to embrace the offerings of free market hedonistic society.

See freedivers comment too.

As I said in another post, being so outwardly aggressive towards Muslims legitimises the vocal minority you fear, and marginalises the passive majority you don't seem to be aware even exist. You are in danger of creating exactly what it is you fear. It really is a case of ignore it and it will go away.

Zoso? ;D

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zoso wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 7:47am:

I said it before and I'll say it again: the radical elements of Muslim community are a majority within a minority. A vocal and powerful minority. They are also all old men who grew up in well educated and progressive places. They will whither and die having made a bit of change to our country and their young will grow up to embrace their ways. By demonising them you bring attention to aussies that they deserve it, and you make a good case for young aussies to join the nationalist cause by isolating them. You will inevitably create the nation they are fearful of. The family first party is a good example of a dangerous vocal christian minority group within our country that has achieved the tiniest bit of political power. Mark my words, if those clowns were at the helm there would be ignorant policies similar to what you would see under Muslim leadership, perhaps not so extreme but they would be trying to change our culture none the less. They are far less dangerous to our culture than the Muslims right now,why not direct your fear that way? Now rather than demonise a minority group within our society, you should work hard at assasinating them in a violent way. Let them know you hate them, they should fear you and they should really just get on a plane and go fly some place. First you must accept that no country has ever succeeded at living with ethnic minorities, none ever, and those that come close quickly turn on other types of cultural minority. There is a pattern here, it is an obvious and real threat of losing your culture. It is about to happen! You seem smart enough and clued up on history enough to at least realise this fact. Look at the USA, utterly overwhelmed by South Americans, an ethnic cultural minority orders of magnitude bigger than what we have here. you see their dominant culture changing?

Nicely put! ;D

wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 9:05pm:

Nicely put! ;D

Glad to see you don't actually have an argument or a reason. You just need an excuse to direct hate at minority groups. Admit it...

wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 5:46pm:

Zoso? ;D

If you believe my faith in free market capitalism, democracy and small government make me left wing... well then I'll just sit back and let you flex that big brain of yours in front of everyone... Because your looking real intelligent right now  ::)

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Glad to see you do actually have an argument and a reason. You just need an excuse to tell the truth about minority groups. Admit it...

I do. thanks :P

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If you believe my faith in destroying capitalism, democracy and small government make me left wing... well then I'll just sit back and let you flex that big brain of yours in front of everyone... Because your real intelligent :)

Thank you very much! ;D

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I said it before and I'll say it again: the radical elements of Muslim community are a minority within a minority. A vocal but utterly powerless minority. They are also all old men who grew up in poorly educated and oppressive places. They will whither and die without having made a single bit of change to our country and their young will grow up to embrace our ways. By demonising them you bring attention to them that they do not deserve, and you make a good case for young Muslims to join their cause byisolating them. You will inevitably create the problem you are fearful of.   The family first party is a good example of a dangerous vocal christian minority group within our country that has achieved the tiniest bit of political power. Mark my words, if those clowns were at the helm there would be ignorant policies similar to what you would see under Muslim leadership, perhaps not so extreme but they would be trying to change our culture none the less. They are far more dangerous to our culture than the Muslims right now,why not direct your fear that way? Now rather than demonise a minority group within our society, you should work hard at assimilating them in a positive way. Let them know you don't fear them, they shouldn't fear you and they should really just get a job and go buy some stuff. First you must accept that no country has ever succeeded at ridding themselves of ethnic minorities, none ever, and those that come close quickly turn on other types of cultural minority. There is a pattern here, it is blind and baseless fear of losing your culture. It isn't about to happen! You seem smart enough and clued up on history enough to at least realise this fact. Look at the USA, utterly overwhelmed by South Americans, an ethnic cultural minority orders of magnitude bigger than what we have here. Do you see their dominant culture changing?

Have you put actual research into Islam, zoso? Or are you just assuming this, based on what you've read in newspapers and magazines?

wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:19pm:

Thank you very much! ;D

You've run out of puff haven't you? You have nothing more you can say and you know you have the irrational and irrelevant position in this... The country is against you, the law is against you, even the conservative fear-mongering government is against your position, the future of this country will be against your position. Watch those scary muslims just pour into our country and ruin the place. Poor slow little nationalist...

I have provided a counter point to every half baked I'll conceived and self contradictory argument you have presented and now the best you can come up with is editing my words to make yourself look funny, and the odd bit of slander...

You know what they say, when the best someone can counter you with is labelling you as left or right wing, or calling you names then you know you have won the argument. Thank you for your gracious defeat.

Trump I'm interested in more words from you on this if you have them, you appear at least to think before touching your keyboard.

Oh no, that wasnt the objective zoso. i pis.ssed you off. that was the intention.
You are full of crap and one day you will learn the truth.
I'm not out of puff yet buddy!

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:28pm:

Have you put actual research into Islam, zoso? Or are you just assuming this, based on what you've read in newspapers and magazines?

Damn you got in before I posted... :)

Define 'research'? If you mean trolling through the Koran finding passages that damn the religion, well its just as easy to do that for Christianity, they do share the entire old testament after all... I'd hardly call that research.

I do not actively engage in true research into Islam I'm afraid full time study in engineering has me researching other more relevant things for now. Do you? I do however pay close attention to what is being said in the media: painting the vision you seem to see, and what is being said by the moderate Muslims: which support the position I hold. I don't know where you get the idea that newspapers and magazines paint Muslims in a positive light?

Bombs are not going off in this country. Islamist riots are not occurring in this country. What evidence is there to support your claims of a dangerous Muslim takeover? Apart from the utterings of one or two extreme clerics who represent a minority position?

wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:40pm:

Oh no, that wasnt the objective zoso. i pis.ssed you off. that was the intention.

It rather seems the other way around to me  :-?

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It rather seems the other way around to me  :-?

nope not at all.

Dont take this as loss of face, hows about a ceasefire? ;)

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Have you put actual research into Islam, zoso? Or are you just assuming this, based on what you've read in newspapers and magazines?

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Define 'research'? If you mean trolling through the Koran finding passages that darn the religion, well its just as easy to do that for Christianity, they do share the entire old testament after all... I'd hardly call that research. I do not actively engage in true research into Islam I'm afraid full time study in engineering has me researching other more relevant things for now. Do you? I do however pay close attention to what is being said in the media: painting the vision you seem to see, and what is being said by the moderate Muslims: which support the position I hold. I don't know where you get the idea that newspapers and magazines paint Muslims in a positive light? Bombs are not going off in this country. Islamist riots are not occurring in this country. What evidence is there to support your claims of a dangerous Muslim takeover? Apart from the utterings of one or two extreme clerics who represent a minority position?

Is that a 'no,' zoso?  :-?

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:49pm:

Is that a 'no,' zoso?  :-?

Thats a no Trump you read it. Have you?

Trump, for all your misgivings you seem intelligent. Lets say we agree for a second in philosophy, yet we disagree in our approach, our favoured tactic if you will. Assume for a minute that I agree with you...

Do you not think that this point has at least SOME merit:

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being so outwardly aggressive towards Muslims legitimises the vocal minority you fear, and marginalises the passive majority you don't seem to be aware even exist. You are in danger of creating exactly what it is you fear. It really is a case of ignore it and it will go away.

Are you not concerned that treating a problem in the incorrect way might just make it a LOT worse rather than achieve ANYTHING at all? Do you not see the danger of creating the problem that you fear through your approach?

wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:45pm:

Dont take this as loss of face, hows about a ceasefire? ;)

Ceasefire? You lost! you stopped firing meaningful shots long ago.

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Ceasefire? You lost! you stopped firing meaningful shots long ago.

The slandering mate. im about to begin my reasonable arguments.

Lads, I'm afraid I'm going to have to leave it at that. Everything meaningful I have to say has been said and is recorded in this thread. Oh, Nationalist, get a life mate you and I both know you don't have the capacity to string together a coherent argument and you wont.

You put up a good fight boys but I'm sorry you will both lose out in the long run. Racist Cronulla riot sympathisers like yourselves are another example of a powerless vocal minority in this country. You have no political representation, no law or policy in this country supports your views, now that hardly seems nationalistic of you. The best political representation you had was Howard and he is on the way out. Even Howard supports multiculturalism, don't you get it? He calls it 'integration' but the word means the same thing. He may have a point but the end is the same and he does not mean 'assimilate or go home', he means obey our laws, respect our culture that is all. It is political double speak designed to get slow thinkers on his side. If you wish to argue this point then tell me: why does he continue to push a strong immigration policy? Why does he support the importation of skills from amongst others, Muslim nations? Why has Howard not sought to rid this country of religious freedoms that allow multiculturalism to exist?

No government in the future will invoke a white Australia policy again, we have already gone beyond the point of no return on the multicultural path, and yet for some reason our culture is vibrant and intact? Funny how that is. Mark my words this is the way it will continue to be, and racist bigots who choose to take the law into their own hands will be thrown in jail as they were after the cronulla riot. Your fight is lost, you will bring animosity only to yourselves through your ignorant views for Australia does not support you.

We are a multicultural nation in a multicultural world and this is the way it will always be. So suck sh!t lads  8-)

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Bombs are not going off in this country. Islamist riots are not occurring in this country. What evidence is there to support your claims of a dangerous Muslim takeover? Apart from the utterings of one or two extreme clerics who represent a minority position?

Im suprised no bombs have gone off yet. i'd put that down to the good work of a.s.i.o.
But dont hold your breath- we will start getting them eventually.
Through history muslims have proven to be a violent and expansionist people, Islam was spread across the mid-east by the sword- those who did not convert to islam were slaughtered along with their family. From a small area in saudi arabia up to palestine islam sprouted, followed by a relentless invasion of persia,egypt, turkey and other parts of the middle east.
Then came the turks in the 1400's who invaded south eastern europe and were stopped by the heroic magyars and germanics.
Twice in history they've tried to islamify the world- not including the 'peaceful' conversions they did in places such as spain, morroco, indonesia and so on.
It is my belief that they are trying it again, by spreading themselves throughout the western world to outbreed the whites to an extent that there will be two choices-

1- continue as is and wait for the future generations to convert through peer pressure.

2- we resist and they will try to convert us by the sword.

I tend to believe we'll resist.

You only know of these ''one or two'' extremists because they are publicly known and talk to the masses. We have that one or two but how many people listen and believe?
Then what about the ones who dont talk because they dont hold a public position?


Why do they still insist on wearing the tea towel on their head?
Apparently they dont have to wear it. In this country, why do they wear it.
We are not under sharia law or in the desert, they supposedly came here for ''freedom'' from oppressive places like taliban controlled afghanistan. why didnt they take it off when they got here?

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Thats a no Trump you read it. Have you?

Okay. Good. So we've now established that you know little to nothing about the religion you're trying to defend. Now we're getting somewhere.
I, on the other hand, have done at least SOME research, and the know most of the customs, history and practices of this religion/cult, and quite frankly I find it quite disturbing, as you would if you researched it.


Now... I'll answer your posts in detail... and hopefully, this will result in some kind of conclusion, because quite frankly, I'm sick of arguing with a brick wall


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If you mean trolling through the Koran finding passages that darn the religion, well its just as easy to do that for Christianity, they do share the entire old testament after all... I'd hardly call that research.

No... that's not research, but it's definitely primary material. And it's a lot better at judging Muslims by reading the actual Koran rather than judging them off 'feel good' newspaper articles by 'feel good' journalists. I know quite a few journalists... and some of them are the most braindead humans I've ever met in my life.



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I do not actively engage in true research into Islam I'm afraid full time study in engineering has me researching other more relevant things for now.

Define 'true research.'

And I congratulate you for selecting a course that's actually worthwhile. -A politically opinionated engineer, what next? :-? I'm kinda stuck in a boring course at the minute, thankfully I'm graduating soon.



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I do however pay close attention to what is being said in the media: painting the vision you seem to see, and what is being said by the moderate Muslims: which support the position I hold.

You're obviously not a media student.  ::) Which papers do you read? -I'll judge how 'respectable' they are.

Word of advice: That whole 'moderate Muslim' thing is actually a myth.



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I don't know where you get the idea that newspapers and magazines paint Muslims in a positive light?

Give me a break.  ::) I thought you read the papers.

The papers, TV and radio are doing everything (And I do mean everything) in their power to portray Muslims as 'moderate' and 'misunderstood.'

http://www.smh.com.au/news/fashion/from-bikini-to-burqini/2007/01/16/1168709713446.html


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From bikini to 'burqini' In a lycra revolution, a cover-all swimming costume is bringing Muslim women on to Australian beaches as lifeguards, unzipping racial tensions which divided parts of Sydney little over a year ago. The two-piece "burqini", popular in the Middle East, is proving key to a reshaping surf lifesaving - once a bastion of white Australian culture and still a heartland of the country's sun-bronzed, heroic self-myth. "I am Australian so I always have the Australian life style, but now with the burqini it just allowed me to participate in it more. We used to always go to the beach, but now that I have the burqini I can actually swim," said Mecca Laalaa, 22.

Gee... that's such a 'respectable' and 'accurate' news-story isn't it? *VOMIT*  ::)

I've heard reports from Sydney that these 'lifesavers' can't ACTUALLY swim! And that the other lifesavers were told to keep their mouths shut about it. It's all a big political stunt.


And if you don't think that this isn't a bias news-story, then you're frickin crazy:

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21270211-2862,00.html Muslims challenge prejudice SICK of negative stereotypes in the wake of September 11, the Islamic community is striking back. Muslims want to project a realistic image of their lives and distance themselves from controversial figures like Sydney sheik Taj el-Din al-Hilaly. To do so, the Islamic Council of Victoria has joined forces with a federal agency to promote positive images of ordinary Muslims. And a dinner will be held in Melbourne tonight to celebrate Muslims' contribution to Australia. Islamic Council project manager Neil Aykan said yesterday the campaign would highlight Muslims in their daily work, interacting with colleagues. "There are a lot of high-profile figures such as the Sydney sheik who tend to constantly get media attention, which is unfortunate but a fact of life," Mr Aykan said. "The media seems to focus on controversial and provocative figures rather than real people, and these are the real people."

You can't tell me this isn't 'positive,' zoso.



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Bombs are not going off in this country. Islamist riots are not occurring in this country.

The trouble that IS caused by Muslims actually goes under-reported, zoso.



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Apart from the utterings of one or two extreme clerics who represent a minority position?

There's that word 'minority' again. You're basically just repeating what the papers are telling you.

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Trump, for all your misgivings you seem intelligent.

;DFor all of MY misgivings???


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Lets say we agree for a second in philosophy, yet we disagree in our approach, our favoured tactic if you will. Assume for a minute that I agree with you...   Do you not think that this point has at least SOME merit: Quote: being so outwardly aggressive towards Muslims legitimises the vocal minority you fear, and marginalises the passive majority you don't seem to be aware even exist. You are in danger of creating exactly what it is you fear. It really is a case of ignore it and it will go away. Are you not concerned that treating a problem in the incorrect way might just make it a LOT worse rather than achieve ANYTHING at all? Do you not see the danger of creating the problem that you fear through your approach?

To put it simply, no.

I fear that by being outwardly aggressive to Asians it will make matters worse and make them more marginalised.

Muslims and and their religion, Islam, delibrately seeks to establish societies with no non-believers. If you put some research into it you'll realise this. Unlike Asian societies who ultimately seek to assimilate, Muslims are a lost cause from the word 'go.' You can see this in societies such as Saudi Arabia, Bosnia and ANY Islamic society for that matter. If you would like me to explain in further depth, I'll do it tomorrow.

Ok guys good for you but my argument is over.

DT, good for you for putting some research into it (you think talking to ME is like talking to a brick wall?). It doesn't mean you aren't paranoid. The things you say may be true but if Muslims seek to dominate this country, they will fail. You have little faith in the strength of our own culture if you cannot see this.


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I fear that by being outwardly aggressive to Asians it will make matters worse and make them more marginalised.

Well at least you can see logic somewhere.

Nationalist... hmm sounds very similar to Christianity... Again, if this is the truth, they will simply fail. I can't see your nationalism if you don't have enough faith in the strength of out own culture to prevail.

I predict no bombs will start going off... If they do I'll eat my words guys hows that sound?

Aside from that, I said my piece. If you guys are right, then you've already lost. If I'm right, things will be quite normal... who do you think is the paranoid nutter? Who has the country on their side? You both sound like you are approaching this from the Nazi angle as they did for the Jews. Dangerous philosophy lads, very dangerous.

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Ok guys good for you but my argument is over.

Then why did you reply?


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Nationalist... hmm sounds very similar to Christianity... Again, if this is the truth, they will simply fail. I can't see your nationalism if you don't have enough faith in the strength of out own culture to prevail.

It is very similar to christianity, eg the missionarys.
I have loads of faith in our people having the strength to prevail- thats why im a nationalist. if no-one cared about our country, i'd give up.


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I predict no bombs will start going off... If they do I'll eat my words guys hows that sound?

All i can say is wait and see.


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If you guys are right, then you've already lost.

How can that be?


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If I'm right, things will be quite normal... who do you think is the paranoid nutter?

I'll be bloody relieved.

wrote on Mar 14^th, 2007 at 7:05am:

Then why did you reply?

I am re-iterating what I already said. But yes it was stupid and pointless.


wrote on Mar 14^th, 2007 at 7:05am:

How can that be?

Because:

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No government in the future will invoke a white Australia policy again, we have already gone beyond the point of no return on the multicultural path

Trump, what are you studying if you don't mind me asking?

Stick to the topic please people. Don't start attacking each othger because of a difference in opinion. That never solves anything.

You can see this in societies such as Saudi Arabia, Bosnia and ANY Islamic society for that matter.

What about Turkey?

All this anti muslim rhetoric is no different from the rhetoric against all the other minority groups that people have feared in the past, and it always turned out to be groundless. Why? Because those people are no different from us. There is no grand conspiracy.

freediver wrote on Mar 14^th, 2007 at 9:41am:

All this anti muslim rhetoric is no different from the rhetoric against all the other minority groups that people have feared in the past, and it always turned out to be groundless. Why? Because those people are no different from us. There is no grand conspiracy.

Thank you freediver you succinctly sum up my rather elaborate argument in one line! Sorry for drifting off topic.

Now Trump, at the expense of making a fool of myself since I have declared I will not contribute any more, I have one final thing to say. For all your supposed insight into Islam I think you fail to account for one very important thing: Human nature. It is in our nature to be lazy, slothful and hedonistic and to desire freedom of expression. You cannot say a person is different because of their religion. Because of this I say that our hedonistic capitalist culture will always win out in the end because it offers a simpler, more enjoyable life. Even if the scary Muslims do not leave their faith, I can tell you our country will change the way they see things none the less. Have faith in the strength of Australian culture, it would be the nationalistic thing to do.

Oh and on the topic... I think at the end of the day, Vanstone has her heart in the right place, but has not thought this comment through. It would be very good for us to learn more geopolitically relevant languages in school, but no, language study should not be compulsory for any more of school than it already is :)

And that will be all from me in this thread  8-)

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Now Trump, at the expense of making a fool of myself since I have declared I will not contribute any more, I have one final thing to say. For all your supposed insight into Islam I think you fail to account for one very important thing: Human nature. It is in our nature to be lazy, slothful and hedonistic and to desire freedom of expression. You cannot say a person is different because of their religion. Because of this I say that our hedonistic capitalist culture will always win out in the end because it offers a simpler, more enjoyable life. Even if the scary Muslims do not leave their faith, I can tell you our country will change the way they see things none the less. Have faith in the strength of Australian culture, it would be the nationalistic thing to do.

I think you're overly optimistic about human nature, zoso. Sorry, I don't see any merit in what you've said at all.



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Trump, what are you studying if you don't mind me asking?

I do mind actually.  :-[

But speaking broadly, I'm an arts student. Strange being an arts student and a nationalist at the same time... let me tell you.  :P



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Stick to the topic please people. Don't start attacking each othger because of a difference in opinion. That never solves anything.

I agree. I forget how we got into this in the first place.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 14^th, 2007 at 6:53pm:

I do mind actually.  :-[ But speaking broadly, I'm an arts student. Strange being an arts student and a nationalist at the same time... let me tell you.  :P

Thats ok I was just curious. I am interested only because I am studying myself. There are loads of important things that are taught in arts courses so you shouldn't be ashamed of it. Language (local and foreign), history, music, even architecture is sometimes lumped into arts. Arts itself is very important to our Australian cultural identity by the way.

I'd guess that maybe you are a history student? You do seem very interested in the topic. Or perhaps a journalism student? No matter either way.

And yes I am a very optimistic person by the way, you should try it sometimes its great for your health  8-)

They are taught from a young age to hate the west.

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And yes I am a very optimistic person by the way, you should try it sometimes its great for your health

Really? I couldn't tell.  ::) Especially listening to those optimistic rants about the 'glories' of multiculturalism and muslims.  :o

Being 'too optimistic' about human nature is a dangerous thing, zoso. I can take a little bit of optimism now and again... but in moderation.



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I'd guess that maybe you are a history student? You do seem very interested in the topic. Or perhaps a journalism student? No matter either way.

I major in a few things, but Im not going to give anything away. I'd rather keep it to myself.

DILLIGAF wrote on Mar 11^th, 2007 at 4:04pm:

Smh 9/3/07. Every child in Australia should learn mandarin(chinese) or bahasa indonesia until year 12, Amanda Vanstone believes. A minister for 11 years until january, senator vanstone said a nation wide language program would benefit australia for generations. ''If i was in charge of australia,i would ensure that every child from year 1 was either learning mandarin or bahasa. There would be no way around it,and they would learn it all the way through school, otherwise  they just wouldnt progress."

An old Chinese arse-kisser to make Australia subordinate to the CCP.

Past politicians should be not seen and not heard - they had their shot, got their fat retirement, stuffed the country for those that work for a living - they should learn to STFU while the going's still good.

freediver wrote on Mar 14^th, 2007 at 9:41am:

Stick to the topic please people. Don't start attacking each othger because of a difference in opinion. That never solves anything. You can see this in societies such as Saudi Arabia, Bosnia and ANY Islamic society for that matter. What about Turkey? All this anti muslim rhetoric is no different from the rhetoric against all the other minority groups that people have feared in the past, and it always turned out to be groundless. Why? Because those people are no different from us. There is no grand conspiracy.

Aye - the rhetoric we can handle - it's the actions that speak the truth.....................................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SDUm1bx7Zc

Australia's Chinese problem is that the lazy city dwellers who contribute nothing don't want to pay $9000 for an iPhone and $300 for a pair of shoes.

So they are wanting china to provide these things

Because
Because
Well just because.

The age of entitlement will always end.
It will end much quicker thanks to the economic demolition job of the lockdown

Then you will do what china tells you to do
He who pays the piper calls the tune.

You have lost to a more conscientious, industrious, strategic and selfless nation .
They are superior.
Deal with it
Chodes

If you're paying 9000 for an iPhone there something wrong.

If we had students learning a second language from age 6 to today, we would have a lot of fluent foreign-language speakers by now.

Given my recent motivations, if I learned Chinese from back in 2003, I could probably have overcome a lot of problems by today.

I don't want to learn one word of Chinese.

I like the French language so at least I know that.

Jasin wrote on Aug 24^th, 2020 at 8:25pm:

DILLIGAF wrote on Mar 11th, 2007 at 4:04pm: Smh 9/3/07. Every child in Australia should learn mandarin(chinese) or bahasa indonesia until year 12, Amanda Vanstone believes. A minister for 11 years until january, senator vanstone said a nation wide language program would benefit australia for generations. ''If i was in charge of australia,i would ensure that every child from year 1 was either learning mandarin or bahasa. There would be no way around it,and they would learn it all the way through school, otherwise  they just wouldnt progress." An old Chinese arse-kisser to make Australia subordinate to the CCP.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thread_Necromancy_3038.jpg

We all probably could have learned an Asian language or two in the time since this thread was started in 2007. ::) <------- looking at you again, JaSin.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:50am:

If you're paying 9000 for an iPhone there something wrong.

you arent and that is totally thanks to china.

cut off trade with china and lets retool the ford plant in geelong to make phones , fill it with union bludgers and then you will be paying $9000 for an iphone  ::) ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 4:24pm:

I don't want to learn one word of Chinese. I like the French language so at least I know that.

I learned enough to make fun with it. But, now, unless I want directions to the train station on Cheese Street, I have not a clue about the French language.

Carl D wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 5:52pm:

We all probably could have learned an Asian language or two in the time since this thread was started in 2007. ::) <------- looking at you again, JaSin.

I was going to learn Latin in 2007 onwards. But then I got caught up conquering Rome in a Total War simulation on my computer for so much time.