This is too thin...

or do you guys think this sexy..?..I dont have a clue.

Pressure from society is demanding that women do this too themselves.

Where does this pressure come from and why?

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That looks aweful. Also, it looks to me like the image has been doctored. Her rib cage should be sticking out towards her right elbow more.

I think that's one of the models who died - and her sister (also a model) died a few months earlier or later - both from heart attacks.

Most women will say that men are responsible but most men don't like a skinny girl after they have had one, if you know what I mean. It all really comes down to cupid. I believe that women are always trying to compete with each other and with man. They convince themselves that skinny is good looking then, men are convinced by the women that skinny chicks are the best. We find out later in life about the comforts we have missed.

I didnt know mantra if this person has died or not, I was just shocked by her appearance., if she did die its NOT surprising.

I mean you literally starve yourself and use a whole range of chemical appetite suppressants to acheive this look., its very worrying to think that females think that this thin is the look to be aspired too as a guage by which we measure physical beauty,

Im asking the males on this forum if they will answer if they find thin women more appealing than say a more healthy sized girl..say a size 12 or 14?

We need to get the message out there if guys do not hold this as a standard for physical beauty and let them know its fine to be just who they were born to be.

That girl is way to thin,not attractive at all to yours truly.I prefer women who are between athletic to strong.Not big fat porka's but strong farmgirl types.I myself keep in shape thru eating good healthy stuff and minimal excersize and appreciate a woman who does the same.Fat girls=yuk,skinny girls=yuk,in between=just right

I'm not sure what a size 10, size 15 or whatever actually means... so I put lean and slender.

Just out of curiousity, what has this got to do with politics?  :-?

dunno,im pissed

Big Friday night, Dirtysanta Aloof?

wELL dT,

You asked me what this has to do with politics?

Well perhaps we need to be looking at ways we 'program ' our kids..These messages are coming thru loud and clear and from where and why?  If by looking at this girl we cant see that this a apublic health crisis then who are we kidding?

I know of at least 3 girls in this community alone who is starving herself this way and at about the same degree of severity. The suicide and alchohol rate for young males in rural communities is unacceptably high, not that I think there is an acceptable level.

But these issues go largely unaddressed and we are  there is NO Social Worker here for example. A Counsellor..they are a almost non existent species in the bush..anyone trained that is.

Politically Governmenets allocation to needs and services to the bush has been pitiful in comparison to what is allocated to city health services .

Im afraid mentally or physically it is a damning fact that in the bush dont you dare get sick...for here if you do and its serious you can and will die.

I know this first hand.

Why are services to the bush so poor? We are voters too!

I've often wondered about services to the Bush - Auzgurl.  I know in some places you have to travel 100's of kms to see a specialist and even some towns have no doctors.

You have to wonder why these areas are so neglected as you hear of farmers committing suicide quite regularly - so what are the State and Federal Govts are doing about these services?

It's hard to imagine a young girl from the country starving herself to such an extent although it's easy to imagine the alcohol abuse by young men.  

I would have thought they would have some health counselling services at the very least in each town.

If you want guys to vote you are probably better off with pictures as we are generally not size literate - it is the girls who focus on that. Maybe that goes a long way to answeroing your question. The descriptions help but that is open to interpretation.

The city probably gets less spent on it per person than the bush. You cannot escape the economies of scale. You cannot expect a small town to have the same professional community as a large town.

mantra wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2007 at 10:53am:

It's hard to imagine a young girl from the country starving herself to such an extent although it's easy to imagine the alcohol abuse by young men.

They get tv in the country areas too so they have their stereotypes. Maybe our fabrics of society is based on competition?
;D

mantra



Yes it is and just goes to show the extent of the danmage that has been done. For this to be the case ,and it is, it must largely mean we are mostly influenced by Tv and media images which invalidate young girl;s as being 'not good enough' just being themselves..

It IS NOT confined to cities ..it is a rural health problem..I once dropped down to skin and bone ..not this bad but enough for my friends to worry none the less.
result was the same...Mental and psychological shock can happen for us all for different reasons and in me it switched off my appetite and still does.
So these girls are psychologically suffering from self esteem issues that society tells them they must look a certain way that is impossible to attain other than starvation...

Unfortunately there are men out there who wont be seen even talking to 'fat' girls..parents comment all the time on their weight and then media adds to that .

Im finding that a high percentage of males dont even like rail thin women.And a lot of these girls even know this and yet it is STILL the attainable ideal.?...Reprogramming by pivotal people and factors in the enviroments needs to undo the hardwiring of generations.

mantra

 

"It's hard to imagine a young girl from the country starving herself to such an extent although it's easy to imagine the alcohol abuse by young men"

Yes it is and just goes to show the extent of the danmage that has been done. For this to be the case ,and it is, it must largely mean we are mostly influenced by Tv and media images which invalidate young girl;s as being 'not good enough' just being themselves..

It IS NOT confined to cities ..it is a rural health problem..I once dropped down to skin and bone ..not this bad but enough for my friends to worry none the less.
result was the same...Mental and psychological shock can happen for us all for different reasons and in me it switched off my appetite and still does.
So these girls are psychologically suffering from self esteem issues that society tells them they must look a certain way that is impossible to attain other than starvation...

Unfortunately there are men out there who wont be seen even talking to 'fat' girls..parents comment all the time on their weight and then media adds to that .

Im finding that a high percentage of males dont even like rail thin women.And a lot of these girls even know this and yet it is STILL the attainable ideal.?...Reprogramming by pivotal people and factors in the enviroments needs to undo the hardwiring of generations.

I find it ironic you are all complaining about a thin model, when Australia now has more than 60% of its adult population classed as overweight / obese.

The girl in the photo (assuming it is real) obviously has a problem. If society is to blame for skinny girls with image problems, whose fault is the fat epidemic?

People should spend more time enjoying life (i.e. eating good food, being active) rather than sitting on a couch / at a desk eating fast food, reading gossip magazines and watching reality programs.

Take some ownership, look after yourself, stop blaming other people, and ignore 'society'.

I think that the whole skinny thing is probably a reaction to the obesity epidemic. Back when people used to starve and freeze to death in the winter, a bit of fat was a sign of health and wealth. Even after WWII parents were still pouring molasses down their children's throats to try to fatten them up. Now that obesity is a sign of poverty, ignorance, or 'not having it all together,' and in general people who are thinner are healthier, the extreme has shifted from putting on weight to taking it off.

I am inclined to think that in a way fat pple are rebelling against the socitial ideals...that it may be so depressing to the vulnerable at least, that the ideals are so unattainable that they simply feed the hurt rather than attack it the way anorexics do..


Being overweight and having anorexic issues are mainly for the same reasons,,feeding or starving our misery.

that it may be so depressing to the vulnerable at least"
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the vulnerable being the hurt and isolated among us ..

I am inclined to think that in a way fat pple are rebelling against the socitial ideals...

But those ideals didn't arise until after there were lots of fat people, and the ideals are based on sound health advice. The obesity epidemic is largely caused by sedentary lifestyles, abundant food and to a lesser extent low quality food.

10 more causes of obesity http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1164689657

But those ideals didn't arise until after there were lots of fat people, and the ideals are based on sound health advice."

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That is a bit obscure .. which came first fat pple or ideals? mm not sure about that one..

Fat people. The ideals may or may not have arisen in response to the obesity epidemic, but they certainly did not create it.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Women-call-for-body-image-guidelines/2007/03/03/1172868810885.html

A young women's advocacy group is calling for guidelines to help control body image promoted by fashion models.

YWCA Victoria's cry for help comes after three international models died from illnesses complicated by anorexia.

The group wants the federal government to work with the fashion industry, health professionals and stakeholders to introduce guidelines and wipe out the suffering for girls and women - some starve themselves to death.

Ms Rees said pursuing the perfect look could threaten health, causing eating disorders, dangerous dieting, purging, smoking and depression.

"Anorexia is the third most common disease in Australian females, aged 15 to 24," she said.

She said the guidelines should cover the appropriate body mass index (BMI) for models and the most appropriate age for models projecting certain images.

"The guidelines would ensure that models are models of good health," she said.

The Australian Medical Association (AMA) supports the group's charter to help protect women from body-image issues.

AY! Theres nothing like a nice shapely woman! :D
She's gotta have meat on her. :)
Yes it does involve politics, these people are role models to many young females.

Totally agree with you Ausgurl :)

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Back when people used to starve and freeze to death in the winter, a bit of fat was a sign of health and wealth. Even after WWII parents were still pouring molasses down their children's throats to try to fatten them up.

Its interesting that you raise the WWII issue. A european researcher (sorry, this is a vague reference) has had an almost 100% success rate in treating anorexia. Most therapists take the view that anorexia is a psychological disorder. The researcher noticed that even after concentration camp survivors were given food, they could not put on weight. It was found that they had forgotten how to eat properly. After retraining the patients, they began to put on weight.

This approach could be applied to people with any disorder (over or underweight).

For example, sedentary lifestyles may only require people to eat 2 meals a day. Which means that people should be retrained to match their eating habits with energy output.

This aligns with the current argument, that fast food companies are using marketing to reprogram children into thinking they need to eat a product.

Perhaps this is the real issue... not what society decrees as normal behaviour, but the influence of marketing on our ability to make rational choices.

Now your seeing the picture AUShole. Marketing (Propaganda (Media)) controls how we think, what we want, what we believe our needs are and how we percieve ourselves. You need to combat psychology with psychology.

Government uses the media but they have the advantage over media magnates because they control the education. The government controls our childrens way of thinking until the mass media gets to them but, the government has already set the foundations of thinking via our schools.

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Now your seeing the picture AUShole. Marketing (Propaganda (Media)) controls how we think, what we want, what we believe our needs are and how we percieve ourselves. You need to combat psychology with psychology.

Sounds more like a conspiracy to me!!

I don't think too many 'normal' men or woman would find the above image anything short of disturbing.

To blame 'men' for what is essentially a mental health disorder, a disorder which the individual themselves suffers with is both sexist and blamist.

You hear more about female models who pass away due to this terrible  affliction, anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, though we don't hear much about young men who suffer with the same condition.

When I was in my early teens, my mother 'fostered' a boy (aged 16) , a couple of years older than me who had a weight problem during his pre-teen childhood, I remembered him from primary school being quite chubby though by 16, he looked like a bag of bones.
Anyway, I noticed him disappearing to the toilet and or shower after each meal, as though he was edgy until the job was done. He would often run the shower so we couldn't hear him purging said he was having a shower, though I could tell he hadn't. This or he would go for a walk 'alone' around the block to a church public-toilet to chuck.

Anyway, my mother told me to stop being stupid, intrusive, ie "As if he would be bulimic"...so I turned off the toilet tap one afternoon and waited.

Sure enough, he came out (I had an older and mutual friend of ours visiting).... he was crying and begging my friend to fix the toilet, (probably knew I had done something to it), so he could flush his vomit.

My mother then realised he had a serious problem,(ding, ding, ding finally)  but unfortunately, despite counselling he continued purging after meals anyway. His skin was awful, zinc deficiency I suspect.

Then he left our house several months later, fell in with a nasty crowd, and to be honest, I have no idea where he is now or what he's doing, he might even be dead for all I know, he looked pretty bad the last time I saw him.

Sad, he was a bright kid, really bright, came from an abusive background, parents polish, mother doting, and loved to cook, and father, aggressive and physical, who loved to put crap on him about his weight.

He couldn't win!

Please mummy, be chubby and eat up all her food.

or...

Please daddy decline mummies food or be called names and beaten.


:-[  I'm sure this is what caused this problem.

When he left home, he even changed his name, (It was a Polish name), to something more Australian, his mother honestly cried when she saw her son, she adored him, and left her husband a few months after he came to live with us, but it was too late.

Most of the kids I knew who had this disorder had crap parents.

This may sound harsh, but there appears to be a pattern of mentally/physically abusive parenting.

Furthermore, I don't believe size 10 (Australian)  is considered unhealthy, for my height, size 12 or 14 would be overweight.

So .....

Think about it, just how much does a person loath their physical appearance, this or under-values themselves when they put on a few  kilos whereby they would go to such an extent to deprive themselves from something as basic as food?

Will go without or purge in order to feel good about themselves?

Some people argue it's vanity, but it's not, it's a lack of self worth, this kid was punishing himself, wanted to fit his fathers criteria (being a tall skinny drunk of a man that he was)....so he would be proud of him.

:-/...  His mother was chubby, plump, his father tall and weedy.

The Girl in the picture is obviously anorexic - this is a health issue and well past attractivness, this is not what models typically look like.

I find the image sad and disturbing.

Looks like she was a very pretty young girl once.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 8:24am:

The Girl in the picture is obviously anorexic - this is a health issue and well past attractivness, this is not what models typically look like. I find the image sad and disturbing. Looks like she was a very pretty young girl once.

Once.

Such a horrible thing , imagine depriving yourself from what comes natural for all animals, ....  it's hard to believe the lengths people will go to in order to feel good about themselves.

Absolutely tragic...a young life gone, and for what?

For the want of being stick-insect thin.

He was a good looking kid too, quite a few of them are, or were.

:-/