Rudd or Howard?

I'm trying to decide which party to list LAST in my preferences in the next Federal election. -Based on how supportive these two men are of multiculturalism.

By now, every non-delusional Australian is well aware of the dangers of multiculturalism and the trouble it can bring to our society.

I'm going to vote for the man who's LEAST supportive of multiculturalism.

Howard has shown much opposition to multiculturalism in the past (Encouraging integration etc), but at the same time has been extremely contradictory, baselessly stating continuously that multiculturalism is 'beneificial' to our society.

Rudd on the other hand I'm admittedly unfamiliar with. Hopefully, he'll oppose multiculturalism, but signs aren't looking to good as the ALP are notorious for a pro-multiculturalism stance.

So, are one of these men less supportive of multiculturalism than the other? That is, of course, if they aren't both equally supportive of multiculturalism.

DT, well Rudd seems to be planning to expand his ministerial resources to expand towards more multiculturalism - see this excerpt from http://www.alp.org.au/media/1206/dsi140.php

REPORTER: Mr Rudd, [inaudible] Howard [inaudible] that he preferred the term integration to multiculturalism. Do you support that?

RUDD: On the question of integration, what I have said is that the Shadow Minister for Immigration under Labor, Tony Burke, is now the Shadow Minister for Immigration, Integration and Citizenship; that’s our position. We also have a Shadow Minister for Multiculturalism; we don’t see these things are in contradiction to one another. When I look at this great city of Melbourne what I find exciting about this city is just its multicultural mix; it’s wonderful, the contribution from different cultures from around the world.

BRACKS: Here, here.

RUDD: I love coming here for those reasons; it’s a wonderful part of Australia. So, Mr Howard might see these things in absolute contradiction to one another; I do not.

BRACKS: Here, here.

REPORTER: What about Box Hill, in particular?

[Laughter]

RUDD: Box Hill’s terrific.

BRACKS: Very multicultural.

RUDD: Okay? Let me say this--

BRACKS: Very multicultural.

RUDD: --for whatever the local newspaper is in Box Hill, Box Hill is super-terrific.

Yeah, why go to athens when you can go to melbourne!
Why go to beruit, when you can go to sydney's south west!
Why go to ho chi minh city,when you can go to cabramatta!
Why go to tokyo,when you can go to cairns!
Why go to mogadishu when you can go to western sydney!

hmm, i would'nt mind visiting Australia. Where is that?

Thank you Labour for saving my air fares and destroying my country!

Me, for preference, id have to put liberal. i know all too well what labour is capable of.

I think I'll vote John Howard before Rudd next federal election.  >:(

I can't believe I actually trusted the basterd (Rudd). -I feel so deceived.


On another topic...

I HATE STEVE BRACKS



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BRACKS: Here, here.

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BRACKS: Here, here.

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BRACKS: Very multicultural.

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BRACKS: Very multicultural.

What a clown. He has no frickin idea what he's talking about.

Is it little wonder he's so supportive of Multiculturalism? -He's Lebanese. There's no other reason. I strongly dislike baseless multiculturalism support  >:(

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5749/lebanonflagxs3.jpg

If you ARE going to support it, at the very least, back it up with a reason why you like it.

Of course he would, A leb would want the best for his people. >:(
Its an unusual name for a leb, its not  mohammedan ,or khamelspit, or donkhifucher... ;) >:(
But he sure does look like one!

Multiculturism is no different from communism.

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I guess he's a half-caste (Mongrel). Must have had an Aussie Dad and a Lebanese mother I guess.

To Lebanese people's credit, I've met a few nice Christian Lebanese people before. But muslims... no.  ::)

Look DT & Aussie Nationalist - voting for Howard would be a big mistake.  Bracks and Iemma are no doubt 2nd or 3rd generation Australians, so it doesn't matter what their background is - at the moment they are the best on offer.

The best alternative to Rudd and Howard would be the Greens, or at least give them No 2 or 3 on your ballot paper.

Bob Brown is a consistently fair and reasonable man and the Greens deserve some power in the Senate.  Through all the controversy over the years, Senator Brown has stood up for the rights of humans and animals and more importantly - for our survival, the environment.

He has been abused and ridiculed and this is because the two major parties have seen the Greens as a threat.  If we want a future for our children, where our country isn't ravaged and abused through unsustainable mining created by foreign investors and corrupt politicians, the Greens are the way to go.

At the moment their policies are under revision, so even though they may support refugees on a humanitarian basis, I believe their new policies may limit general immigration.

The Greens are aware that Australia cannot sustain a population of more than 20 million and would work in our best interests to ensure equality for all.

Bob Brown is a consistently fair and reasonable man and the Greens deserve some power in the Senate.

Here was some crystal ball gazing from mantra, thank dog her crystal was working.

The Libs are running a Greek candidate  against the incumbent Keneally's seat of Heffron:

http://neoskosmos.com/news/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview/2011/February/Patrice.jpg

Patrice Pandeleos is her name.  

Clearly, the Libs regard some cultures as more equal than others...


nichy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:39am:

The Libs are running a Greek candidate  against the incumbent Keneally's seat of Heffron: http://neoskosmos.com/news/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview/2011/February/Patrice.jpg Patrice Pandeleos is her name.

Come to think of it, there are a lot of foreign-looking people (some of them with conveniently-Anglocised names) on the Libs' Parliamentary benches these days...

I wonder how many of their blind followers have simply listened to the Libs' racist rhetoric and failed to notice the nature and extent of 'Multiculturalism' amongst the Lib powermongers...

Equitist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:46am:

Clearly, the Libs regard some cultures as more equal than others... nichy wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 10:39am: The Libs are running a Greek candidate  against the incumbent Keneally's seat of Heffron: http://neoskosmos.com/news/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview/2011/February/Patrice.jpg Patrice Pandeleos is her name.   Come to think of it, there are a lot of foreign-looking people (some of them with conveniently-Anglocised names) on the Libs' Parliamentary benches these days... I wonder how many of their blind followers have simply listened to the Libs' racist rhetoric and failed to notice the nature and extent of 'Multiculturalism' amongst the Lib powermongers...

You mean like  STEVE BRACKS     ;)

bwood1946 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:50am:

Equitist wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 10:46am: Clearly, the Libs regard some cultures as more equal than others... nichy wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 10:39am: The Libs are running a Greek candidate  against the incumbent Keneally's seat of Heffron: http://neoskosmos.com/news/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview/2011/February/Patrice.jpg Patrice Pandeleos is her name.   Come to think of it, there are a lot of foreign-looking people (some of them with conveniently-Anglocised names) on the Libs' Parliamentary benches these days... I wonder how many of their blind followers have simply listened to the Libs' racist rhetoric and failed to notice the nature and extent of 'Multiculturalism' amongst the Lib powermongers... You mean like  STEVE BRACKS     ;)

Is Bracks a Liberal? I would have thought he meant Joe Hockey, the future Liberal leader who is the offspring of a Palestinian. I wonder if Joe's ancestors were Muslims? mmmmmmm.

I've gotta get my son to the doctors now, but in the meantime, this is the link to the official Population and Immigration policy that the Abbott Libs took to the 2010 electorate...

http://www.liberal.org.au/~/media/Files/Policies%20and%20Media/National%20Security/0725x30LPAPopulationandImmigrationPolicy.ashx

In this document, they correctly point out that: -


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Immigration has made the Australia we know today. Australia’s population growth since World War II has helped create the prosperity we now enjoy. Successive waves of post-war migration have expanded our capacity as a nation. Today, 45 per cent of Australians were born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas.

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:55am:

bwood1946 wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 10:50am: Equitist wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 10:46am: Clearly, the Libs regard some cultures as more equal than others... nichy wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 10:39am: The Libs are running a Greek candidate  against the incumbent Keneally's seat of Heffron: http://neoskosmos.com/news/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview/2011/February/Patrice.jpg Patrice Pandeleos is her name.   Come to think of it, there are a lot of foreign-looking people (some of them with conveniently-Anglocised names) on the Libs' Parliamentary benches these days... I wonder how many of their blind followers have simply listened to the Libs' racist rhetoric and failed to notice the nature and extent of 'Multiculturalism' amongst the Lib powermongers... You mean like  STEVE BRACKS     ;) Is Bracks a Liberal? I would have thought he meant Joe Hockey, the future Liberal leader who is the offspring of a Palestinian. I wonder if Joe's ancestors were Muslims? mmmmmmm.

Bracks  anglo sized his name so possiable did hockeys family    AND SO HAVE MANY OTHERS     ;)

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:55am:

bwood1946 wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 10:50am: Equitist wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 10:46am: Clearly, the Libs regard some cultures as more equal than others... nichy wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 10:39am: The Libs are running a Greek candidate  against the incumbent Keneally's seat of Heffron: http://neoskosmos.com/news/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview/2011/February/Patrice.jpg Patrice Pandeleos is her name.   Come to think of it, there are a lot of foreign-looking people (some of them with conveniently-Anglocised names) on the Libs' Parliamentary benches these days... I wonder how many of their blind followers have simply listened to the Libs' racist rhetoric and failed to notice the nature and extent of 'Multiculturalism' amongst the Lib powermongers... You mean like  STEVE BRACKS     ;) Is Bracks a Liberal? I would have thought he meant Joe Hockey, the future Liberal leader who is the offspring of a Palestinian. I wonder if Joe's ancestors were Muslims? mmmmmmm.

Joe Hockey was born in North Sydney, as the youngest of four children.

His father was born in Bethlehem of Armenian and Palestinian parentage and his Mum in Chatswood.

His family worked hard running a small business on the North Shore, beginning with a deli in Chatswood and later, a real estate agency in Naremburn.

Joe was educated at what is now St Philip Neri Primary School and St Aloysius' College in Milsons Point.  He attended the University of Sydney where he completed degrees in Arts and Law.

His enthusiasm for politics began as a young boy when Joe discovered that working with government for a meaningful cause could help bring about real change in a community.  His first victory came at the age of fourteen when he successfully lobbied his local Council to obtain cricket nets for local children in Northbridge.


At university, Joe became involved in student politics and was elected President of the Students Representative Council. He also held the position of President of the New South Wales Young Liberal Movement.

After university Joe worked as a finance and banking lawyer.  He was seconded to the New South Wales Government to take a lead role in the state privatisation program. He went on to become the Senior Policy Adviser to the Treasurer and then Director of Policy to the Premier of New South Wales.

Joe maintains a close relationship with the community organisations in our area.  He is a member of North Sydney Rotary, the North Sydney Leagues Club, North Sydney Rugby Club, North Shore Historical Society, Lane Cove Community Aid and Hunter Hill Ryde Community Services.  Joe is patron of the Northern Suburbs Netball Association, and Northbridge and Cammeray Golf Clubs and the North Sydney RSL Sub Branch. He is an ambassador for the White Ribbon Foundation, which aims to eliminate violence against women and also an ambassador for the Royal Life Saving Society's Keep Watch program.  He is a passionate and active support of the Humpty Dumpty Foundation which raises money to support children’s medical needs in NSW.
Joe is married and he and Melissa are the proud parents of their three young children, Xavier, Adelaide and Ignatius


That answer you question Skippy.

I already knew all of that, you left this bit out, Joe's family changed his name from his Palistinian name as well.

[quote] Hockey is of Armenian and Palestinian background and the family name was originally Hokeidonian.[/quote]

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:10am:

I already knew all of that, you left this bit out, Joe's family changed his name from his Palistinian name as well. [quote] Hockey is of Armenian and Palestinian background and the family name was originally Hokeidonian.[/quote]

SO WHAT   ;)

Which leader is the MOST for Australia.


Tony Abbott by a mile

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:10am:

I already knew all of that, you left this bit out, Joe's family changed his name from his Palistinian name as well. [quote] Hockey is of Armenian and Palestinian background and the family name was originally Hokeidonian.[/quote]

Well why did you ask such a dumb question them ?

( " I wonder if Joe's ancestors were Muslims? mmmmmmm." )

bwood1946 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:12am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:10am: I already knew all of that, you left this bit out, Joe's family changed his name from his Palistinian name as well. [quote] Hockey is of Armenian and Palestinian background and the family name was originally Hokeidonian.[/quote] SO WHAT   ;)

It was for your benefit my little fiend. I thought all the xenophobes here would like a leg up about their future Liberal leader being an Arab.
I hope Joe does become leader, its about time we had an Aussie leader from the Liberal party who could say they were Arab. I wonder if Joe will change Liberal policy to accept more people from where his ancestors come from?

nichy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:21am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:10am: I already knew all of that, you left this bit out, Joe's family changed his name from his Palistinian name as well. [quote] Hockey is of Armenian and Palestinian background and the family name was originally Hokeidonian.[/quote] Well why did you ask such a dumb question them ? ( " I wonder if Joe's ancestors were Muslims? mmmmmmm." )

Why is it dumb? Hokeidonian is of Armenian and Palestinian background, most Palestinians, if not most Arabs are Muslim.
Who says he doesn't have some Muslim blood? he changed his name, why not his religion?
Don't you like the thought of a Liberal PM being an Arab with possible Muslim ancestry?
I think the fact Joe is of Arab decent is great for multiculturalism.

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:28am:

nichy wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:21am: skippy. wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:10am: I already knew all of that, you left this bit out, Joe's family changed his name from his Palistinian name as well. [quote] Hockey is of Armenian and Palestinian background and the family name was originally Hokeidonian.[/quote] Well why did you ask such a dumb question them ? ( " I wonder if Joe's ancestors were Muslims? mmmmmmm." ) Why is it dumb? Hokeidonian is of Armenian and Palestinian background, most Palestinians, if not most Arabs are Muslim. Who says he doesn't have some Muslim blood? he changed his name, why not his religion? Don't you like the thought of a Liberal PM being an Arab with possible Muslim ancestry? I think the fact Joe is of Arab decent is great for multiculturalism.

So whats you point      ;)

bwood1946 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:34am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:28am: nichy wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:21am: skippy. wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:10am: I already knew all of that, you left this bit out, Joe's family changed his name from his Palistinian name as well. [quote] Hockey is of Armenian and Palestinian background and the family name was originally Hokeidonian.[/quote] Well why did you ask such a dumb question them ? ( " I wonder if Joe's ancestors were Muslims? mmmmmmm." ) Why is it dumb? Hokeidonian is of Armenian and Palestinian background, most Palestinians, if not most Arabs are Muslim. Who says he doesn't have some Muslim blood? he changed his name, why not his religion? Don't you like the thought of a Liberal PM being an Arab with possible Muslim ancestry? I think the fact Joe is of Arab decent is great for multiculturalism. So whats you point      ;)

Well my little fiend, you pointed out that Bracks changed his name, so you bought up the fact that some politicians Anglicize their names, sheesh, don't you even read what you post, that explains all your spelling mistakes I suppose. ;D

Al these politicians mentioned are examples of successful assimilation, not multiculturalism. If multiculturalism had been official policy when young Joe Hockey was growing up you can bet he would still be working in some dead end job (or on the dole) instead of being an influential political leader.

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:44am:

bwood1946 wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:34am: skippy. wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:28am: nichy wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:21am: skippy. wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:10am: I already knew all of that, you left this bit out, Joe's family changed his name from his Palistinian name as well. [quote] Hockey is of Armenian and Palestinian background and the family name was originally Hokeidonian.[/quote] Well why did you ask such a dumb question them ? ( " I wonder if Joe's ancestors were Muslims? mmmmmmm." ) Why is it dumb? Hokeidonian is of Armenian and Palestinian background, most Palestinians, if not most Arabs are Muslim. Who says he doesn't have some Muslim blood? he changed his name, why not his religion? Don't you like the thought of a Liberal PM being an Arab with possible Muslim ancestry? I think the fact Joe is of Arab decent is great for multiculturalism. So whats you point      ;) Well my little fiend, you pointed out that Bracks changed his name, so you bought up the fact that some politicians Anglicize their names, sheesh, don't you even read what you post, that explains all your spelling mistakes I suppose. ;D

"fiend"         Well done Rooshit
 ;) ;)

Belgarion wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:47am:

Al these politicians mentioned are examples of successful assimilation, not multiculturalism. If multiculturalism had been official policy when young Joe Hockey was growing up you can bet he would still be working in some dead end job (or on the dole) instead of being an influential political leader.

UMMMMM, multiculturism was official policy when joe was growing up, it was introduced in 1972 when Joe was only a little pup. He in fact benefited from it,sheesh, why do people write things before they know the facts.

jared taylor

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:53am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:47am: Al these politicians mentioned are examples of successful assimilation, not multiculturalism. If multiculturalism had been official policy when young Joe Hockey was growing up you can bet he would still be working in some dead end job (or on the dole) instead of being an influential political leader. UMMMMM, multiculturism was official policy when joe was growing up, it was introduced in 1972 when Joe was only a little pup. He in fact benefited from it,sheesh, why do people write things before they know the facts.

Because they have a agenda they wish pushed.
Notice how all of a sudden European countries are able to be quoted & used as examples?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmCHhGT7KkQ&feature=related

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 12:08pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:53am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:47am: Al these politicians mentioned are examples of successful assimilation, not multiculturalism. If multiculturalism had been official policy when young Joe Hockey was growing up you can bet he would still be working in some dead end job (or on the dole) instead of being an influential political leader. UMMMMM, multiculturism was official policy when joe was growing up, it was introduced in 1972 when Joe was only a little pup. He in fact benefited from it,sheesh, why do people write things before they know the facts. Because they have a agenda they wish pushed. Notice how all of a sudden European countries are able to be quoted & used as examples?

I have noticed European countries being used as examples a lot lately, I suppose the fact multiculturalism has worked so well in Australia that even possible PMs are the product of it must frighten the hell out of the xenophobes.

lol

poor skippy

cliches r us

JC Denton wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 12:14pm:

lol poor skippy

In those famous words of your pin up gal

PWEEESE EXPLAIN? :o

pauline hanson isnt my pin up girl mate

im smarter than u mate dont even try

i think you know this deep down the difference is i just dont try ive argued it all before with a lot of people here back in my prime mate and now ive just retired to the sidelines

watching you goons slug it out its like cliche gladiator mate

JC Denton wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 12:18pm:

pauline hanson isnt my pin up girl mate im smarter than u mate dont even try i think you know this deep down the difference is i just dont try ive argued it all before with a lot of people here back in my prime mate and now ive just retired to the sidelines watching you goons slug it out its like cliche gladiator mate

So you cant explain, didn't think so.

I must admit I admire your self confidence,IMP, anyone who tells us all how smart they are on a daily basis would have to be pretty confident. Maybe you can try something novel, like showing us how smart you are for a change. I imagine a lot of smart people come out of Dubbo, we are just yet to hear of any. ;D

nichy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:39am:

The Libs are running a Greek candidate  against the incumbent Keneally's seat of Heffron: http://neoskosmos.com/news/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview/2011/February/Patrice.jpg Patrice Pandeleos is her name.

That would be one White supremacist Aristocrat Whore replacing another - see how it works. :)

Praise for 'Imperium' by the Skippy Times, 2010:


Quote:

You're very observant Imp, I still cant understand how someone as intelligent as you is a rightard, but you're young, there is time to mend your wicked ways.

m8 here is the reason i don't try anymore is because when i really want to try i try. i like stuff like data rather than cliches and when i make a post that is actually serious and trying to persuade it usually extremely long that takes a very long time to write out. when i do this i usually get ignored and i understand my long posts are pretty boring to a lot of people so i just stopped trying m8. now im jsut here to read posts by good members who make posts worth reading (like soren and karnal) and have some fun with my budz and cause a little bit of mischief on the side thats it.

my arguments are far more controversial than the arguments of the 'assimilationists' youre crossing with at the moment and the more controversial and heretical one's points are, the more necessary it is needed that they be elaborated on to avoid misconceptions and the usual counter retorts. this requires time and a lot of effort and since they usually were just ignored by people like u i've given up caring that much and prefer just to actually read now.

most of the members here make posts that arent worth reading at all. its hard to want to even bother arguing with peole like Greens_Win, Buzzanddidj and Yadda because frankly [censored to prevent from getting banned again]

I still wanna know about Morrison's heritage - he points out in his bio where he was born but not where his parents came from (nor when they arrived here and under what circumstances)...

I have my suspicions - but stop right there! I gotta know right now! Before we go any further...

Multi Culturalism has been a terrible, terrible failure.

It has produced vast swarthes of kids who do not look anything like Australian.

"The Federal Government has announced it will develop a new multicultural policy to combat racism and religious extremism, in order to continue "the genius of Australian multiculturalism"."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/16/3140912.htm :)

Multiculturalism = White Australia policy Redux = Aristocratic Corporate White Supremacist racial doctrine yes... 8-) :o

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 2:18pm:

Multi Culturalism has been a terrible, terrible failure. It has produced vast swarthes of kids who do not look anything like Australian.

I note Victoria's next Governor came here as a 14 year old - not speaking a word of English - as part of Astralia's first "flood" of "boat people"



http://www.theage.com.au/national/the-melbourne-man-20090206-7zzz.html

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 2:18pm: Multi Culturalism has been a terrible, terrible failure. It has produced vast swarthes of kids who do not look anything like Australian. I note Victoria's next Governor came here as a 14 year old - not speaking a word of English - as part of Astralia's first "flood" of "boat people"

I note the last Mayor of Melbourne was a bloke who couldn't string two words together in decent English.

Your view on what makes someone Australian and mine, are simply worlds apart.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 2:39pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 2:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 2:18pm: Multi Culturalism has been a terrible, terrible failure. It has produced vast swarthes of kids who do not look anything like Australian. I note Victoria's next Governor came here as a 14 year old - not speaking a word of English - as part of Astralia's first "flood" of "boat people" I note the last Mayor of Melbourne was a bloke who couldn't string two words together in decent English. Your view on what makes someone Australian and mine, are simply worlds apart.

Never a truer word has been spoken.


Thank phark.

Quote:

It has produced vast swarthes of kids who do not look anything like Australian.

Do you mean like Joe Hockey and Sophie Mirrabella?  :D

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:53am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:47am: Al these politicians mentioned are examples of successful assimilation, not multiculturalism. If multiculturalism had been official policy when young Joe Hockey was growing up you can bet he would still be working in some dead end job (or on the dole) instead of being an influential political leader. UMMMMM, multiculturism was official policy when joe was growing up, it was introduced in 1972 when Joe was only a little pup. He in fact benefited from it,sheesh, why do people write things before they know the facts.

Joe hockey was born in Australia in 1965. he would have grown up in an assimilated environment before the evils of multiculturalism had a chance to take hold. Why do people fail to see the facts. ::)

Multiculturalism has failed - Get used to the idea. ;D

Belgarion wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 8:42pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:53am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:47am: Al these politicians mentioned are examples of successful assimilation, not multiculturalism. If multiculturalism had been official policy when young Joe Hockey was growing up you can bet he would still be working in some dead end job (or on the dole) instead of being an influential political leader. UMMMMM, multiculturism was official policy when joe was growing up, it was introduced in 1972 when Joe was only a little pup. He in fact benefited from it,sheesh, why do people write things before they know the facts. Joe hockey was born in Australia in 1965. he would have grown up in an assimilated environment before the evils of multiculturalism had a chance to take hold. Why do people fail to see the facts. ::) Multiculturalism has failed - Get used to the idea. ;D

7 years old is hardly grown up,Einstein. ::) Why do some people just love to show off their stupidity.

skippy. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 7:28am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 8:42pm: skippy. wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:53am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:47am: Al these politicians mentioned are examples of successful assimilation, not multiculturalism. If multiculturalism had been official policy when young Joe Hockey was growing up you can bet he would still be working in some dead end job (or on the dole) instead of being an influential political leader. UMMMMM, multiculturism was official policy when joe was growing up, it was introduced in 1972 when Joe was only a little pup. He in fact benefited from it,sheesh, why do people write things before they know the facts. Joe hockey was born in Australia in 1965. he would have grown up in an assimilated environment before the evils of multiculturalism had a chance to take hold. Why do people fail to see the facts. ::) Multiculturalism has failed - Get used to the idea. ;D 7 years old is hardly grown up,Einstein. ::) Why do some people just love to show off their stupidity.

a bit like anna bligh last night im 50 years old and i remember  FFS

2010  LESS 50YS   BORN 1960  WHAT SHYTE      a  brat   ;) ;) ;)

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Feb 21^st, 2007 at 12:36am:

Rudd or Howard? I'm trying to decide which party to list LAST in my preferences in the next Federal election. -Based on how supportive these two men are of multiculturalism. By now, every non-delusional Australian is well aware of the dangers of multiculturalism and the trouble it can bring to our society. I'm going to vote for the man who's LEAST supportive of multiculturalism. Howard has shown much opposition to multiculturalism in the past (Encouraging integration etc), but at the same time has been extremely contradictory, baselessly stating continuously that multiculturalism is 'beneificial' to our society. Rudd on the other hand I'm admittedly unfamiliar with. Hopefully, he'll oppose multiculturalism, but signs aren't looking to good as the ALP are notorious for a pro-multiculturalism stance. So, are one of these men less supportive of multiculturalism than the other? That is, of course, if they aren't both equally supportive of multiculturalism.

Responding to a report prepared by Fitzgerald into multiculturalism Bob Hawke said something like: multiculturalism will enrichen the tepestry of the Australian way of life.

I hope you're not going to tell us that it isn't working. Just close your eyes and pretend all is well.

salad in wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 7:50am:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Feb 21st, 2007 at 12:36am: Rudd or Howard? I'm trying to decide which party to list LAST in my preferences in the next Federal election. -Based on how supportive these two men are of multiculturalism. By now, every non-delusional Australian is well aware of the dangers of multiculturalism and the trouble it can bring to our society. I'm going to vote for the man who's LEAST supportive of multiculturalism. Howard has shown much opposition to multiculturalism in the past (Encouraging integration etc), but at the same time has been extremely contradictory, baselessly stating continuously that multiculturalism is 'beneificial' to our society. Rudd on the other hand I'm admittedly unfamiliar with. Hopefully, he'll oppose multiculturalism, but signs aren't looking to good as the ALP are notorious for a pro-multiculturalism stance. So, are one of these men less supportive of multiculturalism than the other? That is, of course, if they aren't both equally supportive of multiculturalism. Responding to a report prepared by Fitzgerald into multiculturalism Bob Hawke said something like: multiculturalism will enrichen the tepestry of the Australian way of life. I hope you're not going to tell us that it isn't working. Just close your eyes and pretend all is well.

Bob Hawke said a lot of things.  What was the one about child poverty?

mavisdavis wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 8:22am:

salad in wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:50am: ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Feb 21st, 2007 at 12:36am: Rudd or Howard? I'm trying to decide which party to list LAST in my preferences in the next Federal election. -Based on how supportive these two men are of multiculturalism. By now, every non-delusional Australian is well aware of the dangers of multiculturalism and the trouble it can bring to our society. I'm going to vote for the man who's LEAST supportive of multiculturalism. Howard has shown much opposition to multiculturalism in the past (Encouraging integration etc), but at the same time has been extremely contradictory, baselessly stating continuously that multiculturalism is 'beneificial' to our society. Rudd on the other hand I'm admittedly unfamiliar with. Hopefully, he'll oppose multiculturalism, but signs aren't looking to good as the ALP are notorious for a pro-multiculturalism stance. So, are one of these men less supportive of multiculturalism than the other? That is, of course, if they aren't both equally supportive of multiculturalism. Responding to a report prepared by Fitzgerald into multiculturalism Bob Hawke said something like: multiculturalism will enrichen the tepestry of the Australian way of life. I hope you're not going to tell us that it isn't working. Just close your eyes and pretend all is well. Bob Hawke said a lot of things.  What was the one about child poverty?

He also called high qualified and skilled professionals who were seeking an honest, fair increase (with public support) - 'glorified bus drivers'.

He epitomised everything I dislike about Labor and the riff-raff they represent.

It makes no difference where a person is born, re the multiculturalism debate.  I know quite a fer immigrants who themselves stress the risks involved with too much racial mixing.  A lot of these people left countries destroyed by inter racial hatred, and can see the same thing happening here.

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!  Don`t destroy the country just for the sake of a cowardly feelgood!

mavisdavis wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 8:22am:

salad in wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:50am: ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Feb 21st, 2007 at 12:36am: Rudd or Howard? I'm trying to decide which party to list LAST in my preferences in the next Federal election. -Based on how supportive these two men are of multiculturalism. By now, every non-delusional Australian is well aware of the dangers of multiculturalism and the trouble it can bring to our society. I'm going to vote for the man who's LEAST supportive of multiculturalism. Howard has shown much opposition to multiculturalism in the past (Encouraging integration etc), but at the same time has been extremely contradictory, baselessly stating continuously that multiculturalism is 'beneificial' to our society. Rudd on the other hand I'm admittedly unfamiliar with. Hopefully, he'll oppose multiculturalism, but signs aren't looking to good as the ALP are notorious for a pro-multiculturalism stance. So, are one of these men less supportive of multiculturalism than the other? That is, of course, if they aren't both equally supportive of multiculturalism. Responding to a report prepared by Fitzgerald into multiculturalism Bob Hawke said something like: multiculturalism will enrichen the tepestry of the Australian way of life. I hope you're not going to tell us that it isn't working. Just close your eyes and pretend all is well. Bob Hawke said a lot of things.  What was the one about child poverty?

As was discussed a few days ago it was a GOAL not a promise.
What have you got against setting a high goal & working towards that????

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I know quite a fer immigrants who themselves stress the risks involved with too much racial mixing.

Yea they're the sort we should never have allowed in to begin with, the bludgers who come here and and then think they can pick and choose the future immigrants, hypocritical assholes.

Ive added a poll.

This multiculturalism thing is a joke.  We dont need to cut multicultralism, we need tougher courts and build a few more jails.  Maybe then we can weed out the crap of all parts of society and we dont run the risk of anyone being targeted as trouble.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 8:36am:

As was discussed a few days ago it was a GOAL not a promise. What have you got against setting a high goal & working towards that????

A PM setting a completely unattainable goal?
Yes I do.
It confuses the masses and they think it will happen.

In the elections in South Africa, was it fair for the ANC to promise that everyone would "live like the white people have done"?

So you had uneducated, illiterate bantus thinking when the Government changed they would all have BMW cars etc.

It's the same thing.

Politicians should set goals, but they should be realistic.

You quoted Kennedy the other day. You think he would have made that statement without knowing full well the Apollo program was well under way and had set a goal of 1968 already for a moon landing?
To equate Hawke's to that, Kennedy would have declared we would follow it up with a landing on Mars by 1980.

Governor a model of refugee made good
February 22, 2011

ALEX Chernov's story is anything but ordinary. Victoria's 28th Governor came to Australia as a 10-year-old boy fleeing war-torn Lithuania after the advancing Red Army killed his father.

Not able to speak English, he remembered being struck by the strange sight of men eating food from newspapers -- fish and chips -- and he had a tendency to skip school.

He went on to have a career as a lawyer, barrister, Supreme Court judge, Court of Appeal judge and then deputy chancellor and chancellor at the University of Melbourne.

But when Mr Chernov was announced by Victorian Premier Ted Baillieu yesterday as the state's new Governor, he was reluctant to speak about his extraordinary life journey.

"I don't want to dwell too much on my past," he told reporters, as his wife, Elizabeth Hopkins, their three children and six grandchildren looked on.

"But I was fortunate to have been brought up in a home where there was great emphasis on ethics, spiritual and ethical development and, importantly, broad education and hard work.

Those lessons have stood me in good stead.
I followed them pretty much all my life."

Mr Chernov, born in 1938 to Russian parents, was described by Mr Baillieu as a great success story of multiculturalism.


His grandfather, murdered by the Bolsheviks, was a minister in Russia's short-lived provisional government established after the 1917 February revolution.

"Alex Chernov brings to the role of governor a wonderful, wonderful story. A story of humble beginnings, a lifetime of hard work, great success and community service at the highest level."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/top-stories/governor-a-model-of-refugee-made-good/story-e6frg12l-1226009856786





Fine choice, Mr Baillieu
Though the anti-refugee lobby and critics of multiculturalism may disagree
Thumbs up, on this one

I don't think there is any need to be dwelling on the Russian fella's background.

Let's move on and assess the job he does in the future.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 10:18am:

I don't think there is any need to be dwelling on the Russian fella's background. Let's move on and assess the job he does in the future.

Perhaps you should apply the SAME standard to former Premiers and Lord Mayors in Victoria - rather than diving straight in with racial slurs ?

Buzz,  despite the fact that the majority of Melburnians loved the former mayor, John So,  Andrei called him an embarrassment,  so why would you take his comments to heart -  no-one else does.

nichy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 11:10am:

Buzz,  despite the fact that the majority of Melburnians loved the former mayor, John So,  Andrei called him an embarrassment,  so why would you take his comments to heart -  no-one else does.

I DETEST racism in ANY form

A constant reference to former Premier Steve Bracks as a "grease monkey - due to his Lebanese heritage - is not valid political comment

The same for the record, popularly elected, former Lord Mayor John - based on his Chinese origins


Racist comments are a breach of the rules of these boards

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 11:31am:

nichy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 11:10am: Buzz,  despite the fact that the majority of Melburnians loved the former mayor, John So,  Andrei called him an embarrassment,  so why would you take his comments to heart -  no-one else does. I DETEST racism in ANY form A constant reference to former Premier Steve Bracks as a "grease monkey - due to his Lebanese heritage - is not valid political comment The same for the record, popularly elected, former Lord Mayor John - based on his Chinese origins Racist comments are a breach of the rules of these boards

I missed that reference,  in fact I didn't know that Bracks was of Lebanese extraction -  ALL of us are descendant of migrants,  unless we are full blood aboriginals.

Some people are still having a problem grasping the fact that the migrants who have become senior politicians, judges, governors etc. are products of ASSIMILATION, not MULTICULTURALISM. They have largely discarded the baggage of wherever they left and have embraced the Australian ethos and values.

Belgarion wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 11:47am:

Some people are still having a problem grasping the fact that the migrants who have become senior politicians, judges, governors etc. are products of ASSIMILATION, not MULTICULTURALISM. They have largely discarded the baggage of wherever they left and have embraced the Australian ethos and values.

Multiculturalism is not about "baggage"
It is about keeing a bridge between where you are - and where you came from

http://www.swissitalianfesta.com/

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 11:58am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 11:47am: Some people are still having a problem grasping the fact that the migrants who have become senior politicians, judges, governors etc. are products of ASSIMILATION, not MULTICULTURALISM. They have largely discarded the baggage of wherever they left and have embraced the Australian ethos and values. Multiculturalism is not about "baggage" It is about keeing a bridge between where you are - and where you came from http://www.swissitalianfesta.com/

Keeping your culture is a matter of individual freedom and should not be subsidised by the state.

Further to what Belgarion has said it is precisely because some of the latter day migrants flatly REFUSE to assimilate, and even want to bring their archaic laws to this country,  that is causing division in the community.  

Soren wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 11:59am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 11:58am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 11:47am: Some people are still having a problem grasping the fact that the migrants who have become senior politicians, judges, governors etc. are products of ASSIMILATION, not MULTICULTURALISM. They have largely discarded the baggage of wherever they left and have embraced the Australian ethos and values. Multiculturalism is not about "baggage" It is about keeing a bridge between where you are - and where you came from http://www.swissitalianfesta.com/ Keeping your culture is a matter of individual freedom and should not be subsidised by the state.

You'd say the same about private education ?

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It has produced vast swarthes of kids who do not look anything like Australian.

What does 'Australian' look like? You are an absolute moron.

andrei hicks

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 12:11pm:

Quote: It has produced vast swarthes of kids who do not look anything like Australian. What does 'Australian' look like? You are an absolute moron.

http://treatyrepublic.net/images/2010/aboriginal-children.jpg

JC Denton wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 12:18pm:

andrei hicks

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/7537/7537,1136213794,1/stock-photo-british-school-boy-in-s-850774.jpg

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Or in your case buzzzzzzzz:


http://www.thepunch.com.au/images/uploads/gay-cartoon.jpg

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 12:11pm:

Quote: It has produced vast swarthes of kids who do not look anything like Australian. What does 'Australian' look like? You are an absolute moron.

I like the look of this new generation of children. Many of them are quite attractive with their olive skin and big brown eyes.

Besides - us whitey's are too susceptible to skin cancer in this climate, so eventually with this new mixed race we're producing - this is one problem we'll eventually eliminate.

mantra wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 2:01pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 12:11pm: Quote: It has produced vast swarthes of kids who do not look anything like Australian. What does 'Australian' look like? You are an absolute moron. I like the look of this new generation of children. Many of them are quite attractive with their olive skin and big brown eyes. Besides - us whitey's are too susceptible to skin cancer in this climate, so eventually with this new mixed race we're producing - this is one problem we'll eventually eliminate.

But Multiculturalism is enabling white supremacy not working against it, multiculturalism is a white supremacist doctrine invented by the same people who invented the White Australia policy - the Upper class.  They still live in their all white suburbs while they try to cut poor whites off their pensions and sell their education entitlement to Indians and Chinese.  You wont find an African living in any suburb where the Whites adore our rich "multicultural heritage".8-)

LMAO I LOVE YOU BILL

But Multiculturalism is enabling white supremacy not working against it, multiculturalism is a white supremacist doctrine invented by the same people who invented the White Australia policy - the Upper class.  They still live in their all white suburbs while they try to cut poor whites off their pensions and sell their education entitlement to Indians and Chinese.  You wont find an African living in any suburb where the Whites adore our rich "multicultural heritage".


What UTTER tripe !!!!!!!!

I'm with Bill_Crany all the way.

Its true - how many Africans and Asians live in suburbs where the demographic is sanctimoniously liberal, Multicultural, you know those Green suburbs where they are trying to suck the life out of us with Taxes while preaching to us about race...They are all White Suburbs - almost apartheid.  What hypocrites - how many Africans are involved in the Political life of the Greens?  How come the developers are not building high rises in the leafy suburbs - in their own streets to grow the rich diversity they seek?   Why come to our street and try to buy houses for multi story development to change the character of our street and our way of life?  The upper class have always been racist. :)

I thought the Afriacns moved out to the rural areas. They're all out here for some reason and it's amazing how quickly they've sprung up m8. I dunno whose idea it was to bring them out to places like Dubbo. Are they doing it because its cheap or is there some sort of government program or directive to get them out of the cities? Maybe they feel like the country needs more diversity.

We could always use more diversity. It's our greatest strength - everybody, even conservative politicians will tell us that it's our greatest strength. So, it's bound to be true.

It's not often that bill crany speaks something like the truth.

Tis a momentous occasion.

I'm always with Bill_Crany. He is a beacon of light in a surrounding world of ignorance.

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I dunno whose idea it was to bring them out to places like Dubbo. Are they doing it because its cheap or is there some sort of government program or directive to get them out of the cities? Maybe they feel like the country needs more diversity.

NAH !

The hunting is better out there

JC Denton wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 2:36pm:

I'm always with Bill_Crany. He is a beacon of light in a surrounding world of ignorance.

No pictures today so far :( :( :(

Yeah, I'd love to see more pictures of ugly people and fat people accompanied by his usual lectures about 'eugenics'.

I'm glad he's branched out now to talk about wholesale race replacement.

JC Denton wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 2:40pm:

Yeah, I'd love to see more pictures of ugly people and fat people accompanied by his usual lectures about 'eugenics'. I'm glad he's branched out now to talk about wholesale race replacement.

Well  - its just the poor whites - the Black Irish & Welshies the upper-class are exterminating.  Cameron in Britain is specifically targeting the Welsh in his welfare reforms - already destroyed by Thatcher-ism and Gillard is targeting the victims of Howard, Keating and Hawke fascism.

More than 50,000 in North Wales targeted in welfare reform (Welsh Speakers)

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/dailypost/feb2011/9/7/pics-image-4-178938876.jpg 8-)

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/02/18/more-than-50-000-in-north-wales-targeted-in-welfare-reform-55578-28191454/ :)

That's crap
Back of some nogs head in a poofy parker.
I've come to expect better, where's the grainy black & whites of skeletal corpses? The rabid Rottweilers barking and salivating over cornered children,the mark of the beast etc etc.
Lift your game.

OMFG I just noticed purple rucksack, it's the code he's one of them beware!

Remember the upper class always hated the Irish and Welsh - considered them inferior Whites - hundreds of years ago - during the days of the "White Australia Policy" American "Nordicism" and German Aryanism all isolate the so called inferior whites for economic discrimination - even genocide through Eugenics - it never ends the racial attacks on our culture from the upper class even today under their latest "genius" scam of Multiculturalism. 8-)

Conservative Party campaign, 1964.

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Incidentally, Peter Griffiths who ran that slogan (which I don't approve of) was return with an increased 7.2% margin.

There were concerns as far back as 1964 of mass immigration.

Those warnings were not heeded.

and now look at the u.k

good reason not to trust the conservative party or the promises that they make

How bad have things got?
Well in 12 years Leicester will have more non-white people than British.

+++++++++++++++++++++


Leicester to be first British city with white people in minority

The first British city where the white population finds itself in a minority will be Leicester, in about 12 years, according to new research.


The conclusion by demographers from Manchester University, who believe Birmingham will also become a "plural city" five years later, was accompanied by a warning that recent estimates that plurality will be reached sooner than the predictions are not helping attempts to establish harmony in the cities.

Professor Ludi Simpson, a social statistician at the university, said that much of the increase in Leicester was due to the relatively younger age profile of British Asians in the city – and the excess of births over deaths – rather than increased immigration.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/leicester-to-be-first-city-where-white-people-are-minority-401968.html

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 3:23pm:

How bad have things got? Well in 12 years Leicester will have more non-white people than British. +++++++++++++++++++++ Leicester to be first British city with white people in minority The first British city where the white population finds itself in a minority will be Leicester, in about 12 years, according to new research. The conclusion by demographers from Manchester University, who believe Birmingham will also become a "plural city" five years later, was accompanied by a warning that recent estimates that plurality will be reached sooner than the predictions are not helping attempts to establish harmony in the cities. Professor Ludi Simpson, a social statistician at the university, said that much of the increase in Leicester was due to the relatively younger age profile of British Asians in the city – and the excess of births over deaths – rather than increased immigration. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/leicester-to-be-first-city-where-white-people-are-minority-401968.html

Do you have to be white to be British?
I thought like all countries you just had to be born there.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 3:29pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:23pm: How bad have things got? Well in 12 years Leicester will have more non-white people than British. +++++++++++++++++++++ Leicester to be first British city with white people in minority The first British city where the white population finds itself in a minority will be Leicester, in about 12 years, according to new research. The conclusion by demographers from Manchester University, who believe Birmingham will also become a "plural city" five years later, was accompanied by a warning that recent estimates that plurality will be reached sooner than the predictions are not helping attempts to establish harmony in the cities. Professor Ludi Simpson, a social statistician at the university, said that much of the increase in Leicester was due to the relatively younger age profile of British Asians in the city – and the excess of births over deaths – rather than increased immigration. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/leicester-to-be-first-city-where-white-people-are-minority-401968.html Do you have to be white to be British? I thought like all countries you just had to be born there.

Really?
All three of my cousins are born in Dubai.
Yet they are not entitled to any citizenship or passport rights of the UAE.

How come?

not a citizen. you probably need arabic ancestry to be a citizen of the UAE.

the uae is something like 18% arabic - it's nuts. i was there last year at dubai airport and was amazed at how few arabs there aer. but its really imprssive that the arabs have rejected the a propostional notion of their countries and are saying "no, this country belongs to US, arabs, nobody else, everybody else here is a guest here and should feel appreciative that they are a guest here, but otherwise this place belongs to arabs".

i really like that in them.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 3:30pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:29pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:23pm: How bad have things got? Well in 12 years Leicester will have more non-white people than British. +++++++++++++++++++++ Leicester to be first British city with white people in minority The first British city where the white population finds itself in a minority will be Leicester, in about 12 years, according to new research. The conclusion by demographers from Manchester University, who believe Birmingham will also become a "plural city" five years later, was accompanied by a warning that recent estimates that plurality will be reached sooner than the predictions are not helping attempts to establish harmony in the cities. Professor Ludi Simpson, a social statistician at the university, said that much of the increase in Leicester was due to the relatively younger age profile of British Asians in the city – and the excess of births over deaths – rather than increased immigration. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/leicester-to-be-first-city-where-white-people-are-minority-401968.html Do you have to be white to be British? I thought like all countries you just had to be born there. Really? All three of my cousins are born in Dubai. Yet they are not entitled to any citizenship or passport rights of the UAE. How come?

I don't know, maybe because it a Monarcy instead of a democracy, maybe because all citizens get oil revenue(would that be like the mining tax here sort of????) & you must prove lineage over generations.
Who knows what the Arabs do & why. Now am I right, you are British if your born in Britian no matter your colour?

JC Denton wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 3:33pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:30pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:29pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:23pm: How bad have things got? Well in 12 years Leicester will have more non-white people than British. +++++++++++++++++++++ Leicester to be first British city with white people in minority The first British city where the white population finds itself in a minority will be Leicester, in about 12 years, according to new research. The conclusion by demographers from Manchester University, who believe Birmingham will also become a "plural city" five years later, was accompanied by a warning that recent estimates that plurality will be reached sooner than the predictions are not helping attempts to establish harmony in the cities. Professor Ludi Simpson, a social statistician at the university, said that much of the increase in Leicester was due to the relatively younger age profile of British Asians in the city – and the excess of births over deaths – rather than increased immigration. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/leicester-to-be-first-city-where-white-people-are-minority-401968.html Do you have to be white to be British? I thought like all countries you just had to be born there. Really? All three of my cousins are born in Dubai. Yet they are not entitled to any citizenship or passport rights of the UAE. How come? not a citizen. you probably need arabic ancestry to be a citizen of the UAE. the uae is something like 18% arabic - it's nuts. i was there last year at dubai airport and was amazed at how few arabs there aer. but its really imprssive that the arabs have rejected the a propostional notion of their countries and are saying "no, this country belongs to US, arabs, nobody else, everybody else here is a guest here and should feel appreciative that they are a guest here, but otherwise this place belongs to arabs". i really like that in them.

Exactly my cousin is now 30. Was born in Dubai, grew up there and has never lived anywhere else.
He could live there the rest of his life and still whistle dixie for any rights as a citizen.

I was pointing out to smithy that people huff and puff about giving rights in Australia and Britain to these blow-ins - but nobody has an issue with the Arabs doing far worse???

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 3:37pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:30pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:29pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:23pm: How bad have things got? Well in 12 years Leicester will have more non-white people than British. +++++++++++++++++++++ Leicester to be first British city with white people in minority The first British city where the white population finds itself in a minority will be Leicester, in about 12 years, according to new research. The conclusion by demographers from Manchester University, who believe Birmingham will also become a "plural city" five years later, was accompanied by a warning that recent estimates that plurality will be reached sooner than the predictions are not helping attempts to establish harmony in the cities. Professor Ludi Simpson, a social statistician at the university, said that much of the increase in Leicester was due to the relatively younger age profile of British Asians in the city – and the excess of births over deaths – rather than increased immigration. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/leicester-to-be-first-city-where-white-people-are-minority-401968.html Do you have to be white to be British? I thought like all countries you just had to be born there. Really? All three of my cousins are born in Dubai. Yet they are not entitled to any citizenship or passport rights of the UAE. How come? not a citizen. you probably need arabic ancestry to be a citizen of the UAE. the uae is something like 18% arabic - it's nuts. i was there last year at dubai airport and was amazed at how few arabs there aer. but its really imprssive that the arabs have rejected the a propostional notion of their countries and are saying "no, this country belongs to US, arabs, nobody else, everybody else here is a guest here and should feel appreciative that they are a guest here, but otherwise this place belongs to arabs". i really like that in them. Exactly my cousin is now 30. Was born in Dubai, grew up there and has never lived anywhere else. He could live there the rest of his life and still whistle dixie for any rights as a citizen. I was pointing out to smithy that people huff and puff about giving rights in Australia and Britain to these blow-ins - but nobody has an issue with the Arabs doing far worse???

Just quietly I like to think we are WAY more civilized than the sand walkers.

The good people of Leicester have suffered incalculable atrocities at the hands of the upper class - so much poverty and so many transported to Australia - they have always been racially targeted by the upper class.

Watch how they gloat how many immigrants they have settled and "integrated" in Leicester - you wont find any in their all white upper class areas. :)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 3:40pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:37pm: JC Denton wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:30pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:29pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:23pm: How bad have things got? Well in 12 years Leicester will have more non-white people than British. +++++++++++++++++++++ Leicester to be first British city with white people in minority The first British city where the white population finds itself in a minority will be Leicester, in about 12 years, according to new research. The conclusion by demographers from Manchester University, who believe Birmingham will also become a "plural city" five years later, was accompanied by a warning that recent estimates that plurality will be reached sooner than the predictions are not helping attempts to establish harmony in the cities. Professor Ludi Simpson, a social statistician at the university, said that much of the increase in Leicester was due to the relatively younger age profile of British Asians in the city – and the excess of births over deaths – rather than increased immigration. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/leicester-to-be-first-city-where-white-people-are-minority-401968.html Do you have to be white to be British? I thought like all countries you just had to be born there. Really? All three of my cousins are born in Dubai. Yet they are not entitled to any citizenship or passport rights of the UAE. How come? not a citizen. you probably need arabic ancestry to be a citizen of the UAE. the uae is something like 18% arabic - it's nuts. i was there last year at dubai airport and was amazed at how few arabs there aer. but its really imprssive that the arabs have rejected the a propostional notion of their countries and are saying "no, this country belongs to US, arabs, nobody else, everybody else here is a guest here and should feel appreciative that they are a guest here, but otherwise this place belongs to arabs". i really like that in them. Exactly my cousin is now 30. Was born in Dubai, grew up there and has never lived anywhere else. He could live there the rest of his life and still whistle dixie for any rights as a citizen. I was pointing out to smithy that people huff and puff about giving rights in Australia and Britain to these blow-ins - but nobody has an issue with the Arabs doing far worse??? Just quietly I like to think we are WAY more civilized than the sand walkers.

i have zero problem with what the arabs do (with regards to this, anyway) and how they only allow citizenship status to native arabs with arabic ancestry. i dont really consider it insensible -- it actually mitigates many problems.

smithy, there is a book by a finnish scholar called tatu vanhanen that discusses this and things similiar in a very large, international study. i can send you some info on it if you like.

its especially important and sensible in their extreme demographic case.

The immigrants are not the problem - the ujpper class is the problem, lets keep the focus of our attention on these lowlife thieves, traitors, murderers and liars, lets face it they cant live without the "poor" to sponge off and they dont care what color the poor are as long as they are too demoralized to fight them.. :)

Britain would be a great place minus them upper class. 8-)

JC Denton wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 3:42pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:40pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:37pm: JC Denton wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:30pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:29pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 3:23pm: How bad have things got? Well in 12 years Leicester will have more non-white people than British. +++++++++++++++++++++ Leicester to be first British city with white people in minority The first British city where the white population finds itself in a minority will be Leicester, in about 12 years, according to new research. The conclusion by demographers from Manchester University, who believe Birmingham will also become a "plural city" five years later, was accompanied by a warning that recent estimates that plurality will be reached sooner than the predictions are not helping attempts to establish harmony in the cities. Professor Ludi Simpson, a social statistician at the university, said that much of the increase in Leicester was due to the relatively younger age profile of British Asians in the city – and the excess of births over deaths – rather than increased immigration. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/leicester-to-be-first-city-where-white-people-are-minority-401968.html Do you have to be white to be British? I thought like all countries you just had to be born there. Really? All three of my cousins are born in Dubai. Yet they are not entitled to any citizenship or passport rights of the UAE. How come? not a citizen. you probably need arabic ancestry to be a citizen of the UAE. the uae is something like 18% arabic - it's nuts. i was there last year at dubai airport and was amazed at how few arabs there aer. but its really imprssive that the arabs have rejected the a propostional notion of their countries and are saying "no, this country belongs to US, arabs, nobody else, everybody else here is a guest here and should feel appreciative that they are a guest here, but otherwise this place belongs to arabs". i really like that in them. Exactly my cousin is now 30. Was born in Dubai, grew up there and has never lived anywhere else. He could live there the rest of his life and still whistle dixie for any rights as a citizen. I was pointing out to smithy that people huff and puff about giving rights in Australia and Britain to these blow-ins - but nobody has an issue with the Arabs doing far worse??? Just quietly I like to think we are WAY more civilized than the sand walkers. i have zero problem with what the arabs do (with regards to this, anyway) and how they only allow citizenship status to native arabs with arabic ancestry. i dont really consider it insensible -- it actually mitigates many problems. smithy, there is a book by a finnish scholar called tatu vanhanen that discusses this and things similiar in a very large, international study. i can send you some info on it if you like.

That was a dumb post, :(
info would be much appreciated

saying we're much more civilized than the arabs isnt dumb its a fact

never mind me lol

Reminds me of that blooper from the 1980s on Family Fortunes (I think Aussies call it Family Feud).

"Fingers on the buzzer, we asked 100 people to name a dangerous race"

Buzzzzzzzzzzz

"The Arabs"