The WA government is going to impliment datlight savings yet again. There have been three state-based trials of daylight savings in the past, each followed by a referendum. The referendum failed each time. The strongest supporter of daylight savings appears to be the business community who want to keep in time with the rest of the country, even though they are in a different time zone. Daylight savings clearly does not make sense for a state that extends into the tropics. The government has decided to abandon the historical one-year trial in favour of a three year trial, presumably in an attempt to give the business community what they want for as long as possible, in case those pesky voters knock it back yet again. The government has even threatened to pass it into legislation anyway even if the public vote against it.

Daylight savings was imposed on all Australian states during World Wars I and II to save energy. It was reintroduced to WA in 1974/5 but was rejected in a referendum. The same thing happened in 1983/84 and again in 1991/2.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/More-daylight-saving-uses-more-energy/2007/03/15/1173722635826.html

Extending daylight saving increases rather than decreases energy consumption, according to a US study of Australia which has implications for both countries.

Prolonged daylight saving succeeded in cutting electricity use in the evenings, but this was more than offset by increased usage in the mornings, according to the study by California's Berkeley University.

The outcome weakens the argument of those proposing extended daylight saving months to curb Australia's high greenhouse gas emissions.

It also calls into question an imminent US experiment aimed at reducing energy consumption by one per cent during extended daylight saving periods.

"While the DST extension does reduce the evening peak load in Victoria in 2000, it creates a new, sharp peak in the morning.

"This 2000 morning peak is even higher than the evening peak in 2001."

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NSW, Vic, ACT to extend daylight saving

http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking-news/nsw-vic-act-to-extend-daylight-saving/2007/04/13/1175971311629.html

Two Australian states and a territory have agreed to Tasmania's proposal to join its longer daylight saving period.

The move will bring NSW, Victoria, the ACT into the same daylight saving period as Tasmania - from the first Sunday in October until the first Sunday in April.

Tasmania previously has been one hour out of step with the other states for three weeks each spring because it starts its daylight saving earlier.

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Daylight savings split opposed: Poll

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Daylight-savings-split-opposed-Poll/2007/07/01/1183228945485.html

Queenslanders are strongly opposed to a plan to split the state into two time zones, according to a poll published on Sunday.

The poll, by The Sunday Mail newspaper, found only 27 per cent of respondents supported a proposal to deliver daylight saving to the state's south-east corner while the rest of the state remained on Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST).

Of the 509 people who took part in the statewide survey, 64 per cent were opposed to the move while nine per cent were undecided.

Queensland Premier Peter Beattie described the results as a "severe blow" to the daylight savings compromise which he believed may have been the only solution to the ongoing debate.

However, the premier told the newspaper he would wait for the results of government sponsored research into the issue before deciding whether or not to press ahead with a referendum next year.

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Qld considers daylight saving

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Qld-considers-daylight-saving/2007/09/17/1189881415066.html

A decision on whether Queensland should adopt daylight saving is to be made within weeks.

Premier Anna Bligh said the government was still waiting for the results of ACNielsen research, which examined Queenslanders' attitudes to daylight saving.

She said the government would be "very, very cautious" when considering the state's time zone.

"Queensland is a different geographic shape than other states in Australia," Ms Bligh told reporters in Brisbane.

"If I lived in Victoria, daylight saving would be a very, very straight-forward proposition. But there are more people living in parts of Queensland to the west than people generally understand."

In the last daylight saving referendum, held in 1992, daylight saving was defeated 54.6 per cent to 45.4 per cent.

Ms Bligh said if the research showed clear opposition, it wouldn't be put to another vote.

She promised to make the research - including questions and answers - publicly available.

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Extended Daylight Saving Time Not an Energy Saver?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080307-daylight-saving.html?source=cmailer

On Sunday people in the United States will roll their clocks forward an hour at 2 a.m. and begin the country's second consecutive year of extended daylight saving time.

The change, adopted into law last year, was touted as a way to save energy. But some studies suggest the move actually has consumers using more power—and paying bigger energy bills.

Hendrik Wolff, an environmental economist at the University of Washington in Seattle, is skeptical of the purported savings.

Wolff and colleague Ryan Kellogg studied Australian power-use data surrounding the 2000 Sydney Olympics, when parts of the country extended daylight saving time to accommodate the games.

The pair compared energy use in the state of Victoria, which adopted daylight saving time earlier than normal, to South Australia, which did not.

"Basically if people wake up early in the morning and go to bed earlier, they do save artificial illumination at night and reduce electricity consumption in the evening," Wolff said.

"Our study confirmed that effect. But we also found that more electricity is consumed in the morning. In the end, these two effects wash each other out."

DLS is the dumbest thing out.

It's like Scandinavia trying to pretend that their winter darkness doesn't really exist because they're still calling it summer daylight.  ::)

Morning commuters finally get some daylight at their end of the clock and then DLS comes in and forces them back into darkness.

So basically, DLS is bias towards 'afternoon' as a priority for daylight, over morning early risers.  :P

This is a great example of Australia and it's OVER-ACHIEVERS trying to make Australia more complicated than it needs to be.
::)

There were a lot of reasons to have daylight savings time, none of them good. The Drive-in Theater is a thing of the past thanks to it and our children get off school buses in the dark when they get home. If it ended today I would never miss it!

edit: oops that was from April 1 last year.

;D

Your lords and masters have spoken

You will, start early, like it or not

Just because they get up around lunchtime

Does not mean you should get up any later than dawn.

Old Joh up in Qld wouldn't have a bar of it. He thought the sun shone out of his arse and wasn't going to bed an hour later for anybody.

Fades the curtains too.

Daylight savings; toll roads   ;D

You guys in the eastern states have some funny ideas.

I have lived in QLD for most of my life so its particularly annoying and silly now when its light at 830pm (kids dont wanna go to bed cause its light) and its friggin dark til late in the morning. Its stupid.

Spot

many blessings

and again we see the freemasons roll out the daylight savings polarizing debate ..

this is designed to get everyone fighting and arguing,

and to sidetrack observation of other events that freemasons want to hide , obfuscate

like the satanic freemason pell and his guilty verdict of raping children .

interesting validation whom the OP is written by too

same old same old and nothing to see here ..

https://i.imgflip.com/2upplw.jpg

fall into the trap or evolve , yet either way

be at peace

namaste

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Love daylight saving.
Enjoy getting home from work in the daylight.

It just seems like another thing for grumpy old people to complain about.

crocodile wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 6:12am:

Old Joh up in Qld wouldn't have a bar of it. He thought the sun shone out of his arse and wasn't going to bed an hour later for anybody. Fades the curtains too.

Good grief .... the old "fades the curtains" is something the pro DLS supporters trot out every year to denigrate those who oppose it.  ::)

It's completely unnecessary to have DLS in QLD.

I know quite a few Victorians that hate it ..... and when you have a natural summer twilight until nearly 9.30 pm in summer why would you want it light until 10.30pm?

A lot of Cockroaches(NSWmen/women) & Mexicans(Dictorians) move to QLD to get away from it.

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 10:09am:

Love daylight saving. Enjoy getting home from work in the daylight. It just seems like another thing for grumpy old people to complain about.

May I ask why?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:09am:

I have lived in QLD for most of my life so its particularly annoying and silly now when its light at 830pm (kids dont wanna go to bed cause its light) and its friggin dark til late in the morning. Its stupid. Spot

Where is that?

Early summer it's daylight at 4.30 am it's only just starting to stay a little darker until around 5 or just after now in February.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 10:13am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:09am: Love daylight saving. Enjoy getting home from work in the daylight. It just seems like another thing for grumpy old people to complain about. May I ask why?

I'll second that question.

Most 9 to 5ers get home in daylight in the summer.

The choice as to where you live in relation to where you work & how long you take to commute is irrelevant.

The opposite side of the coin is that you would then be going to work in the dark.

Gnads wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 10:15am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 8:09am: I have lived in QLD for most of my life so its particularly annoying and silly now when its light at 830pm (kids dont wanna go to bed cause its light) and its friggin dark til late in the morning. Its stupid. Spot Where is that? Early summer it's daylight at 4.30 am it's only just starting to stay a little darker until around 5 or just after now in February.

ACT and its at least 630 before it even starts getting light. Dont know what you are on about the 5am.

Spot

Gnads wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 10:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:13am: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:09am: Love daylight saving. Enjoy getting home from work in the daylight. It just seems like another thing for grumpy old people to complain about. May I ask why? I'll second that question. Most 9 to 5ers get home in daylight in the summer. The choice as to where you live in relation to where you work & how long you take to commute is irrelevant. The opposite side of the coin is that you would then be going to work in the dark.

And, when I get home I usually prepare dinner, do a bit of housework, and watch some Netflix - none of which require sunlight.

I have lights in my house, and in the outdoor areas too.

:)

Daylight occurs at different times. In WA it varies quite a bit.

Today -
Kununnurra - Sunrise 5.24AM Sunset 5.50PM
Albany -                        5.53AM Sunset 6.48PM
Kalgoorlie -                  5.42AM Sunset 6.30PM

Gnads wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 10:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:13am: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:09am: Love daylight saving. Enjoy getting home from work in the daylight. It just seems like another thing for grumpy old people to complain about. May I ask why? I'll second that question. Most 9 to 5ers get home in daylight in the summer. The choice as to where you live in relation to where you work & how long you take to commute is irrelevant. The opposite side of the coin is that you would then be going to work in the dark.

I walk home from the bus stop - my preference would be to do it during daylight
Twice a week I go for a 5km run after work - my preference would be to do it during daylight
This time of year I need to water the garden after work - my preference would be to do it during daylight

I go for my run after work run all year round and it is noticeable how many more people are out walking their dogs, kids playing basketball and people in their gardens, during daylight savings.

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 11:09am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:18am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:13am: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:09am: Love daylight saving. Enjoy getting home from work in the daylight. It just seems like another thing for grumpy old people to complain about. May I ask why? I'll second that question. Most 9 to 5ers get home in daylight in the summer. The choice as to where you live in relation to where you work & how long you take to commute is irrelevant. The opposite side of the coin is that you would then be going to work in the dark. I walk home from the bus stop - my preference would be to do it during daylight Twice a week I go for a 5km run after work - my preference would be to do it during daylight This time of year I need to water the garden after work - my preference would be to do it during daylight I go for my run after work run all year round and it is noticeable how many more people are out walking their dogs, kids playing basketball and people in their gardens, during daylight savings.

Ah, okay.

So not everyone opens a bottle of wine, lays on the couch, and then watches a few episodes of The Bridge on Stan as soon as they get home from work?

Not that I know of anyone who does that, of course   :-?

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 11:09am:

walk home from the bus stop - my preference would be to do it during daylight Twice a week I go for a 5km run after work - my preference would be to do it during daylight This time of year I need to water the garden after work - my preference would be to do it during daylight I go for my run after work run all year round and it is noticeable how many more people are out walking their dogs, kids playing basketball and people in their gardens, during daylight savings.

You could always change your work hours.

lee wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 12:43pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:09am: walk home from the bus stop - my preference would be to do it during daylight Twice a week I go for a 5km run after work - my preference would be to do it during daylight This time of year I need to water the garden after work - my preference would be to do it during daylight I go for my run after work run all year round and it is noticeable how many more people are out walking their dogs, kids playing basketball and people in their gardens, during daylight savings. You could always change your work hours.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

you should get out of your cave and join the real world very now and then

John Smith wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 5:54pm:

you should get out of your cave and join the real world very now and then

Poor petal. Stuck in that dead end job. No flexible work hours. Never mind. You may one day get to those lofty highs. ;)

People in Queensland and WA complaining about daylight savings time. How quaint.

It could be a lot worse.

China is a country that's wider than Australia; it covers the equivalent of four time zones (UTC+5 to UTC+8). The whole country is on Beijing time. Imagine waiting until 10 am for the sun to rise in winter, or waiting until midnight for the sun to set in summer. This happens in Western China.

WA's trial of DST won't be that bad, of course, but for the opponents of DST would complain that it will feel like it.

Bam wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 6:08pm:

People in Queensland and WA complaining about daylight savings time. How quaint. It could be a lot worse. China is a country that's wider than Australia; it covers the equivalent of four time zones (UTC+5 to UTC+8). The whole country is on Beijing time. Imagine waiting until 10 am for the sun to rise in winter, or waiting until midnight for the sun to set in summer. This happens in Western China. WA's trial of DST won't be that bad, of course, but for the opponents of DST would complain that it will feel like it.

The OP was from Dec 4th, 2006....WA does not have daylight savings and there is no trial!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 7:39pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 1st, 2019 at 6:08pm: People in Queensland and WA complaining about daylight savings time. How quaint. It could be a lot worse. China is a country that's wider than Australia; it covers the equivalent of four time zones (UTC+5 to UTC+8). The whole country is on Beijing time. Imagine waiting until 10 am for the sun to rise in winter, or waiting until midnight for the sun to set in summer. This happens in Western China. WA's trial of DST won't be that bad, of course, but for the opponents of DST would complain that it will feel like it. The OP was from Dec 4th, 2006....WA does not have daylight savings and there is no trial!!! ::) ::) ::)

;D ;D ;D
Gotyas!!!! :D

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 10:09am:

Love daylight saving. Enjoy getting home from work in the daylight. It just seems like another thing for grumpy old people to complain about.

I have just switched the hot water system on for the sake of my showers at night. Between October and February, it would be too hot to mow the lawn until around 4 or 5 pm in the afternoon. By that time, I would have at least 2 hours to mow at most 1000sq metres of the yard. But that was a weekly chore that I did not need to do this year or last so much, as there was not a great deal of summer rain. However, it was a problem when I had to mow each week a foot high of grass around the yard.

Having the sun out is great for when you want to be outside for no more than under an hour. But it gets too much even for afternoon sunlight to be tolerated. And whilst daylight savings provides another hour of afternoon sunlight, we are not getting another hour of sun. But rather one less hour of sunlight in the morning.

I work in the food industry. Our sales rely on customers coming in for their orders around 5 pm each afternoon. From there, our sales volume increases until we have peak order from 5:30 pm to about 8 at night. That means, our younger staff members (15, 16, 17 years of age) work from 5 pm to about 8 pm. Had we daylight savings, our customers would hold off their buying until it got a little cooler at night. That means our younger staff would come in at 6 pm and stay until 9 pm. That is okay for Friday and Saturday nights. But, Monday to Thursday and Sunday nights become a problem with students needing to be home for their sleep before school the next morning. It is the main reason why I am against daylight saving being reintroduced. Labour gets all out of whack for the period of summer. Just gets a bit worse if we had to wait another hour for the customers to come in.

Barnacle loves getting home from work in the 'daylight' thanks to DLS.

But a lot of people would like to at least experience 'going to work' in some daylight, which - due to DLS, hardly happens.

DLS is like 'Ego', its a fabrication away from the natural of being oneself, regardless of flaws.
If you can't make it, fake it - etc  ::)

DLS does not suit all businesses and mostly just suits 'cafes'  ::)

My body clock and bio-rhythms are set to the 'natural' setting of day/night and DLS 'deceives' me to stay up later than I should, etc.

DLS is a silly and useless concept that was invented by some over-achiever (Australia is plagued with over-achievers like the USA is populated with under-achievers) who justified their job by making something simple, more complex than it needs to be.  :P


...I still keep my car clock on 'normal' time.

During the summer, I sleep at night and be active by day. During the winter, I am asleep during the day and awake at night. I can't sleep if it is too cold or too hot. Daylight savings has nothing to do with my sleep patterns, but much to do with my work stress levels.

The research I read last year said that Australians were getting about as much vitamin D (or less) from sun exposure as their English counterparts. Because summer temperatures are on average 10 degrees warmer in Australian cities than English temperatures, Australians tend to stay indoors more often. Therefore less sun exposure. Australians may get more sunshine during the winter when the sunshine is more tolerable.

Bam wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 6:08pm:

It could be a lot worse. China is a country that's wider than Australia; it covers the equivalent of four time zones (UTC+5 to UTC+8). The whole country is on Beijing time. Imagine waiting until 10 am for the sun to rise in winter, or waiting until midnight for the sun to set in summer. This happens in Western China.

It is not like that in China. 95% of China's population reside east of the middle of the country. Although 5% of 1.4 billion is still 70 million people, Beijing does not really give a damn about the western 2/3rds. They are a different ethnicity anyway.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 12:08pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:15am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 8:09am: I have lived in QLD for most of my life so its particularly annoying and silly now when its light at 830pm (kids dont wanna go to bed cause its light) and its friggin dark til late in the morning. Its stupid. Spot Where is that? Early summer it's daylight at 4.30 am it's only just starting to stay a little darker until around 5 or just after now in February. ACT and its at least 630 before it even starts getting light. Dont know what you are on about the 5am. Spot

Take a look at your post where you state you have lived in QLD most of your life?

So you can see that didn't indicate you lived in the ACT.

I have lived in QLD all of my life .... currently on the Fraser Coast .....

DLS is completely unnecessary.

Even now it is daylight at 5 to 5.15 and sunrise this morning was 5.46 am.

If the caravan park states need to sleep off their hangovers another hour behind the unified business, industry and employment engine rooms of Australia - does it really matter ?

They could "work" on 1999 time - and I doubt the Australian economy would notice